Alcoholism May Run In The Family But It Doesn’t Need To Run Your Life – Ep.67 – Dr. Robb Kelly

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Episode summary:​ Dr. Robb Kelly came from a family of alcoholics, falling into alcoholism himself. When he drank, he felt like he could take on anything.

He drank and then auditioned to be a bass player for several bands. Not remembering he auditioned, he received a job offer from one of those bands.

That proved to him that he was better when drinking, so keep it up. With more drinking, came more problems though. He lost everything, his job, his wife, his kids, and his home.

Dr. Robb Kelly was out on the streets, drinking and wishing his life would end. It wasn’t until he had a spiritual awakening that his life turned around.

He was ready to get better, he was ready to kick drinking to the curb for good and was ready to help others overcome their addictions.  

Guest Name & Bio: Dr. Robb Kelly is a renowned Addiction Expert. Born and raised in Manchester, UK, who is eccentric, no holds bar, successful, and places his patients first kind of man.

Robb is Meadows Trained in Trauma and holds a double Ph.D. It is necessary for the family to work along with the patient- we uncover the family chaos and dynamics to better resolve addiction.

Also, Robb takes time to mentor entrepreneurs because he knows what kind of mindset it takes to run a successful company.

Dr. Robb Kelly

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[Nick McGowan]: Hey Dr. Robb welcome to

the show how you doing

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: thanks nick doing amazing today guys

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: absolutely amazing

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: looking forward to this all

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: day that’s for sure

[Nick McGowan]: well i’m excited that you’re here i

know we’ve had to push this around a

[Nick McGowan]: couple of times

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: scheduling wise and all but hey here

we are and i’m excited to get into

[Nick McGowan]: everything i know you’ve done a lot

of different shows and you’ve probably gone through

[Nick McGowan]: a lot of difference stuff in these

different shows that you’ve been on but more

[Nick McGowan]: than that i know you’ve been through

a lot in life so i’m excited to

[Nick McGowan]: get into the background and really some

of the wisdom that you’ve kind of figured

[Nick McGowan]: out over the course of time so

i don’t want to steal thunder man why

[Nick McGowan]: don’t you tell us what do you

do for a living and what’s one thing

[Nick McGowan]: that most people don’t know about you

that’s may be odd or bizarre

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: what i do for living is i’m

a doctor specialized in addiction and trauma and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mind set so i have five practices

around the world pretty well known

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: deal with high and it’s so yeah

just have a good un alcoholic myself you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: lost everything

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: what

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: most people don’t know about me is

i used to be the base player abby

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: road studios in london yes where the


[Nick McGowan]: nice

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: played i’ve played with and john david

boy queen and i was actually ups in

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the savoy hotel in the pence suite

when that famous phone call from elton gone

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: start next to him down to the

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: manager of the hotel asking if he

doesn’t stop the rain on deetle will not

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: back

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: into this hotel ever again

[Nick McGowan]: oh man that is cool that is

not something that would just typically come

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: up and random

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: even bar conversation because how the fun

would you get into that without somebody asking

[Nick McGowan]: you a question like that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so how do you get into what

you’re doing today coming from what seems like

[Nick McGowan]: a musician’s background

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: well i was born in manchester mosside

manchester be correcting the u k been in

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: america about fifteen years

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but i’m an alcoholic you know

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: alcoholism runs in

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the family and i haven’t drunk for

some time now but you know it took

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: everything off me as i went through

and one of the reasons i do what

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: do where i do so passionately is

when i was going through this stuff myself

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and nobody was there to help me

nobody come up and says hey

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: listen if you do this this might

happen everyone turned the back and i lost

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: everything man cars houses

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: children and hen homeless and you know

when i swore to myself and to god

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: if i ave one back of the

streets because i did my research ninety seven

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: percent of people on the gardens in

manchester die in the streets i was

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: one of the three per cents that

made it off after fourteen months i made

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it off the streets i’m passionate

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: about this ship man you know i’m

really passionate

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: boarding an aggressive sometimes if you want


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: get well if you want to achieve

your dreams

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: if you want to change your mind

set and you’re a pathways basal ganglia and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: hypothalamist and your guy if you don’t

go away i’m not interested in

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you

[Nick McGowan]: i mean it makes sense that i

get as you go through ship and life

[Nick McGowan]: and you figure things out you become

deeply passionate about it because of the fucking

[Nick McGowan]: craziness you’ve been through so i hear

different people at times say they’ve been through

[Nick McGowan]: some of the thing but they haven’t

fully processed through it and you can

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: tell that it didn’t really affect them

in such

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: a way to move them

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: so i love when i have people

on that are that are moving in such

[Nick McGowan]: a way now you talk about being

from manchester it’s like they’re with the overall

[Nick McGowan]: speed of people i’m from the north

east of the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: u s and philadelphia and we typically

fucking move pretty quickly and we’re typically pretty

[Nick McGowan]: passionate

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: people so i’m akin to that i

feel where you’re going yeah one of the

[Nick McGowan]: biggest things that really stood out even

bringing it on to the show was the

[Nick McGowan]: alcoholism that runs in the family i

think a lot of people

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: don’t want to suck and look at


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: no

[Nick McGowan]: they don’t want to think about their

mom or dad or whoever being an alcoholic

[Nick McGowan]: because then that not only reflects on

them poorly but it also points out that

[Nick McGowan]: they’re probably an alcoholic too did you

have struggles that you’re going through that or

[Nick McGowan]: just you basically got to the end

of the road and you’re standing on the

[Nick McGowan]: street going

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: funk i need to do something different

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it came slowly and alcoholism trace

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: wasn’t invented

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in the seventies and eighties when i

went through it here’s a couple of things

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you need to know guys alcoholism alcoholic

are born drugs are made and alcohols one

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: percent

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to do with alcoholism the same with

drugs is all mind sets neural

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: sciences on nur placidity so when i

did lose everything and go through all that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i just

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: knew that somehow and i don’t know

to be honest nick how somehow i would

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: end up where i am today now

just to

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: just to change people’s minds i build

champions we build empires together you know the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: alcohol that’s gone from the first day

five out of my six patients they are

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: not alcoholic or alix just guys you

can’t get through a certain level high class

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it cos

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and checking them to the next level

because if you mix in your own science

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with quintet physics which is we do

in your own placidity with brain spotting you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: realize and here we go

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: guys that you can have anything you

want in life and that i have a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: cool video that shows live inside somebody’s

brain of the neural pathways k to you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: said the our

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: pathways and most people don’t know this

for success for wealth for joyment for happy

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: for families everything is already in your

brain what most people never do in the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: life is they never connect if

[Nick McGowan]: connect

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we specialize

[Nick McGowan]: it yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it in connecting the mural pathways the

rest is easy

[Nick McGowan]: so having some initial conversation

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: with somebody and i’m not expecting you

to give secret sauce

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: but again some sort of tactical

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: take away for this what would you

suggest for somebody that’s thinking through that now

[Nick McGowan]: but not ready to have that converse

and with somebody like yourself what can they

[Nick McGowan]: do on their own

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: well just believe in yourself first of

all and then just watch your behavior you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know you can change when you start

changing other people eyes by compliment them by

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: saying hello whatever it may

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: be then you start to change our

self you will know when you’re ready we

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: turn people down more people down than

we do take on you

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: have to be ready for certain things

and don’t

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: let anybody tell you different don’t let

anybody force you into anything that’s not going

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to work right now

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: because it will sit in the subconscious

brain as a failure some failures are good

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you get back up again

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but with mind set you’ve got to

be real careful

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: on tex so many hits the tints

before every single time that self savasade will

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: kick off and the internal dialogue will

kick off in your head every couple of

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: days couple last month whatever it is

and it will

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: destroy you because if i keep telling

you every day you’re a piece of ship

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: guess what you’re gonna start

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to fucking believe it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah and i think too many

of us we just beat the ship out

[Nick McGowan]: of ourselves for almost no good fucking

reason we just kind of beat the hell

[Nick McGowan]: out of ourselves and it’s been brought

up so many different times but if you

[Nick McGowan]: had a friend or an acquaintance that

talk to you a way that you talk

[Nick McGowan]: to yourself

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: you’d have a restraining order against them

you would have to

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: they’re fucking crazy so

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: let’s take a little bit of a

step back though when

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you’re musician a muse and as well

i think drugs alcohol sex all of that

[Nick McGowan]: just kind

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: of goes along with

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: the instruments at times so

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: being able to step outside

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: of that was that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: really when you were still in into

the music side things or were you far

[Nick McGowan]: out of that at that point

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: now while i was deep in my

addiction to abby road i was deep in

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: my addiction homeless i was deep in

my addiction at college university you know it

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: kind of gets a grip out of

the without you see what happened i’ll be

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: rove i went for an audition for

he have space player and i had a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: bar for i went was so nervous

the bear gave me courage went and

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: got a second one second time i

went there i had two bears for the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: second interview make sense to me i

got it on the

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: first one i had seven auditions for


[Nick McGowan]: h

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: position so i had seven bears for

i went in for my audition don’t remember

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it black outcome next day i woke

up in my bedroom at home and i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: got a letter a week later say

you got the job what does that tell

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: me tells me when i

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: drink

[Nick McGowan]: works

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i’m sucking awesome you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know and that’s how it gets you

on ovesod it

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: starts turning on you and you’re done

absolutely done and again one

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: percent to do with any kind of

disease or any kind of mind set or

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mental shift neural pathways

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: shifts all the same stuff it’s just

because he’s an alcoholic the treatment for him

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the co wants to double his income

in the next two years the treatment from

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: here is still the same because it’s

not about the alcohol or drugs or cake

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: or food or pan it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: about mind set and mind set only

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and now our brains turn on the

only thing i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: would say differently is the alcoholic brain

is born with three parts different to anybody

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: else is the amiga hypophalamis and the

basal ganglia are set differently to any

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: other person in the world lcolecis redit


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: passed down from generation to generation that’s

the only difference oh

[Nick McGowan]: so knowing that now being able to

look back at what you’ve been through and

[Nick McGowan]: that your parents must have had some

alcoholism in their in their

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: lineage how do you then make that

change outside of simple side of just become

[Nick McGowan]: aware of it and do something different

what can you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: actually do to make that change

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: when i was going for i was

done when i was on the streets it’s

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: taken

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: off me everything gone nobody check my

calls people would lock the door when i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: call the police i was done i

didn’t want to get off i didn’t want

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: help i was done

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: tried to commit suicide seven times and

on two occasions i succeeded my heart stopped

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: on the side of an old stinky

rainy wet road in manchester the

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: suckers brought em back

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in life are in hated them guys

for that hated them so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mine wasn’t a conscious decision to get

well i had a huge what they call

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: spot awakening manchester one morning in the

pouring and when i was dumb i mean

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i just couldn’t do it any more

i was dumb that’s what happened

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to me you know if you’re going

through anything that most people most people operate

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: on thirty thirty five per cent of

what they can truly operate on

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: o matter what you do for a

living how successful you are there’s thirty people

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in the world that play at their

best we be football rock music whatever you

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: can play a hondred percent capacity you

start to see the world for what it

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: is and you start to see how

the world works and how the patterns work

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and that you really can have anything

that you want s obviously a place that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: price to pay

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: for everything but

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: if you want to be to see

you are the football

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: there’s a way that you can get

that and it’s a hundred percent guarantee you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know and that’s what we’re passionate

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: about getting people and reuniting families to

where they need to be not where what

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: they where they was and just life

he’s just oh god it’s monday oh god

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it’s tuesday that’s not the way

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to live life an

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i went

[Nick McGowan]: all

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to bed last night was nineteen and

woke up this morning at sixty one that’s

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: how fast life goes you haven’t got


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: guys believe

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: me you haven’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s an interesting balance to try

to find

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: how you can understand that you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: we’re all mortal you know mortal and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yet

[Nick McGowan]: we’re going to die at some point

so it’s not like we have an infinite

[Nick McGowan]: amount of time but you also want

to stress yourself the funk out how some

[Nick McGowan]: people get almost crippled by you know

i could die tomorrow or

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: okay

[Nick McGowan]: i have an extended period of time

i’m not going to do a damn thing

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so being able to find that balance

there’s a sweet spot to it and it

[Nick McGowan]: takes a lot of people getting to

a point where they go fuck i’ve had

[Nick McGowan]: enough i need to put something in

place here but how would you suggest that

[Nick McGowan]: somebody actually do some of that before

they get to the point where they either

[Nick McGowan]: on the street or kids are taken

away or whatever that looks like

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: dialogue is the most important thing you

know if you’re in that mind

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: set that’s broken you need to start

dialog with somebody immediately you know whether

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it’ll be drug or whatever it is

the mind set needs changing

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you need to start dialogue that’s all

you need to start doing and then

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: when you’re ready for help you know

we’re also a refer company or so we’re

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: only taken four patients anyone time so

it’s very unlikely you’re going to get in

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with us but we will refer you

know call the website my wife fell into

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the phone he’ll speak to you all

day long about it you know we’re here

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to help so it’s just moving forward

and realizing that you actually

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: born for better things that than what

you’re doing you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: see some

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: people don’t have this shift some people

are okay the way they’re born my brother

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: is just like my dad go we

have some cards you work for the shop

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: around the corner you can afford to

go out on a friday night only just

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: enough money to get five bears and

go home to the i don’t want that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: want a isa world for what it

was or you could take anything that you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: want to take so listen if you’re

at home and you want to make well

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: first of all you’re at home in

this position i want to apologize to you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: because somebody’s put that there born

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with million dollar mine stop

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: sucking hanging around ten cent

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: lines get some get some guys around

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you show me your friends showing your

future start discussing

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: new problems and then get hold of

a professional callers

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: will direct but you have to do

something and our research and studies over the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: last thirty years show of a time

frame of seven point three seconds whenever you’re

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: going to do anything that’s how the

brain works if i’m going to lay on

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the sofa i’m eating chips and drinking

this big

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know soda that’s not good for

me and i’m watching t and i go

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh wife i need

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to go to the gym tomorrow

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i’m not going to go unless one

thing happens within that time frame i walk

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to the bedroom i’ll get my stuff

i put it in and i put it

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: near the door for the next morning

now i’m going to go to the gym

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the next day but we procrastinate

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and that’s what procrastination isolation is what

we’ve got into of the last couple of

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: years

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s funny you bring that up

i used that very often because that was

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: i had to do to get myself

into the gym

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: after handful of years years ago was

like i’m just going to put my ship

[Nick McGowan]: near the door and here i am

but it’s also just like on the mental

[Nick McGowan]: side it’s still a workout it’s more

of a workout mental wise and it is

[Nick McGowan]: physical because we’re constantly being worked every

single moment

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: of the day and we tend to

just let the ship fucking roll and subconscious

[Nick McGowan]: kind of takes over and goes from

there but we’re

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: able to actually control that so bouncing

from where you were as a musician then

[Nick McGowan]: losing everything and kind of being on

that tough spot but now that you know

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that the alcoholism was in you in

your blood it was

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: literally ass down to you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: how does your relationship with your parents

differ when you know where they were and

[Nick McGowan]: kind of what they were going through


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i kind of felt sorry from a

little bit you know

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i hate the saying our parents did

our best fuck you know they didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: not all

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i’m

[Nick McGowan]: parents

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: sorry

[Nick McGowan]: do

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: parents but nobody does

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know let me know at nine

or ten years old that we have a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: problem in the family would have in

the best thing but it is what it

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: is i change the generational lode generation

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: people talking but you know it’s just

nobody’s prepared for it when the golden boy

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in the family too out to be

an old drunk you know who stabbed his

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: wife

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: three times one night because she wouldn’t

let him finish his but vodka that guy

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know it’s a disappoint to everybody

who blames who well coming through everything i’ve

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: been through i don’t think there’s any


[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: just think

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that you know look

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: look at my mom and alcoholic look

at my cousin alcoholic my dad’s brother was

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: a chronic alcoholic you know cousins

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: an alcoholic i see it in the

family you know and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it’s going to ruin the family i

i was like a contagious disease man i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: infected

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: everybody that i came across with my

disease and it’s the same with with small

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: thinking and it’s the same with

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know you get you get enough

these full of people

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ten people in there but thriving you

get one person there

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that starts to have a dip it’s

like a cancer of a sudden

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the whole office is laid back and

not doing as much work you know so

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that’s that’s what seems to happen in

my family but

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i don’t know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah if only it was if it

only worked on the opposite side of that

[Nick McGowan]: where being that light shared a lot

faster but it’s not it’s the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: no

[Nick McGowan]: negative side and the darkness kind of

takes that stuff over um it also it’s

[Nick McGowan]: interesting to hear how you seem like

that type of person where you just you’re

[Nick McGowan]: fucking all in on the things you’re

all in on

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: all

[Nick McGowan]: and and being able to switch from

i’m not going to do this any more

[Nick McGowan]: hurt so now i’m going to help

people and be able to do that i

[Nick McGowan]: get where some of that aggression comes


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: m because yeah once you’re on that

path and you’re running with it that’s huge

[Nick McGowan]: that’s the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: reason why i was asking about going

back to your parents

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: my mom is an alcoholic i don’t

know if she believes she is but it’s

[Nick McGowan]: there and i know that i’ve had

those tendencies where i’ve recently actually stopped i

[Nick McGowan]: think it’s been forty five forty seven

days today but one of those things where

[Nick McGowan]: i noticed that there was a problem


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: noticed it was coming from that and

having that conversation with her she’s not ready

[Nick McGowan]: to have that conversation with herself

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so that’s what i was asking the

relationship that you have with your parents

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i can get where you look at

go hey that must have been tough

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you can talk

[Nick McGowan]: but did you have that conversation with

them to know hey this is what i

[Nick McGowan]: got from you but that’s okay because

i’m working through

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i

[Nick McGowan]: it or was it fun you guys

that’s what you gave them

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i was angry at the time

[Nick McGowan]: may

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: was on the street and they turned

the back on me i was acting for

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: a long

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: time after that and it’s the only

when i had conversation with her mom something

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: happened when my dad when i

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: lost everything i went to my parents

house and it lasted three days and my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: dad threw me out to lock in

the mornin pa short

[Nick McGowan]: huh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: little colt he gave me ten pounds

and said you’ve got to go some and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: he locked the door behind me and

ever that house for many many years but

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: remember many years later when i sat

with my mom and dad in the bar

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know around the corner in the

in the club and i said so my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mom said you know that dad threw

me out i was hated that man i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: still do i think mom and this

is what she said something she

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: said so in fifty odd years of

being married to your father that’s the only

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: time i’ve seen him cry so i

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: knew he was hurt there both

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ways

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know and i made my amends

and i said i’m sorry and you know

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it’s not your guy’s fault because i

suffer trauma and that has that they didn’t

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know as trauma now when he

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: used to drop us off at their

friends and when when my mom and dad

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: left the avenue going to the bar

we used have to play the run around

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: naked game which meant

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i got dressed and the two adult

tenere want

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that thing that was trauma i didn’t


[Nick McGowan]: fuck

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i was many years ago i body

building like england absolutely amazing body would never

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: take my top off what’s one with

you ucrinowi’m

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: too sure that because of the fucking

trauma that suffered so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: when you put them to together you

realize what an effect that the dramas that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: weren’t close to strumas then

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: have such a huge part in your

life today like if you if you want

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to become somebody do something and you’re

not doing it because of trying to go

[Nick McGowan]: i agree

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: back and you to sort that ship

out need to uncover discover and discard that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ship and that’s what i found with

mom and dad is i made my my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: men is properly with my dad

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: only about six years ago in five


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ago simes and a year ago he

died never got to make an end to

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: my

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: she died maybe fourteen years ago never

got to make amends but

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we did have a few notes versations

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know but it’s tough man you

know it’s tough

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it’s just it’s crazy

[Nick McGowan]: yeah and that’s that’s tough ship especially

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you know you can’t see from other

people’s eyes you can theorize sometimes

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: like put

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yourself into their shoes in a sense

but to hear from your mom that that

[Nick McGowan]: was the first time that she saw

your dad cry that’s not the angle that

[Nick McGowan]: you had the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: no

[Nick McGowan]: angle you had was him slamming the

door and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you being on your fucking own

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yep

[Nick McGowan]: and knowing that there was that behind

that i love the human lidy of that

[Nick McGowan]: because that’s something that a lot of


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: no

[Nick McGowan]: will kind of hide and that’s deep

trauma that trauma probably also stemmed from his

[Nick McGowan]: childhood as

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: well as you alluded to you know


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: a fucking gets back to the child

o trauma

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it does

[Nick McGowan]: no how do you walk people

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: through on a smaller scale to be

able to go back and deal with that

[Nick McGowan]: drama give us someting tactical for the


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we use a lot of tools to

go back you see most of the trauma

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: first of all is not understood you

don’t know what trauma is and what the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: effect

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: has

[Nick McGowan]: deep

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but the second one is locked in

the sub us brain because we

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: don’t really deal with trying to stay


[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: if you look at a dear being

hit by a car but doesn’t die that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: there

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: s something unusual

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: what happens if it stays on the

floor for a couple of seconds then he’ll

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: jump up and then what happens next

is very important to try he shakes violently

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: for about thirty seconds and he runs

off that day well across the same road

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: at the same car tomorrow same i

wanna get hit because he has no fear

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: of that because he got rid of

his trauma right there and then human beings

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: don’t do that we stuff it down

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with stuff it down with

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: stuff it down so it’s about using


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: like brain spot you’re our placidity and

changing your pathways and using somatic

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: experience and you know n l p

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: an original psychology you go back taken

back and all that work is unlike with

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: health only you can take them back


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you need to deal with i go

back to

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that five or six year old fee

what’s going on and see what that was

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and how i mean as an example

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i have ninety three pair of sneakers

i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know just by sneaks

[Nick McGowan]: m like

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you

[Nick McGowan]: sneakers

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know or why have you gone i

don’t know just just by sneaks there was

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: trauma

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: nick

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i was a kid about nine or

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ten my mom can’t afford us and

sucks all

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but twice a year so towards the

five or

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: six months before we get new shoes

i had holes in my shoes and holes

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in my sock walking to school in

the snow now my mom used to cut

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: round cardboard box the shape of the

shoe she used to put

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the ship cardboard in i walked to

school but half way there it be soaked

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: through so i’ll be wet when the

councillor said to me what about mom and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: dad on friday and sat where do

they go and i said oh

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: they go to the pub to get

drunk with the friends

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: this is what she said to me

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: did mom and dad

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: have holes in their sucking shoes when


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: went to the pub at nighttime bull


[Nick McGowan]: yah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: think you’ve opened a river i cried

and cried and cried

[Nick McGowan]: man

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and cried but you see the effect

that i didn’t know today my wife thinks

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i why you find so many fucking


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that’s because

[Nick McGowan]: that’s why

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: why found out that recently we

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: all have the tmait’sattack for any behavior

that’s uncoverable

[Nick McGowan]: that’s a beautiful way to put that

to especially to be aware of it because

[Nick McGowan]: there are people that buy a lot

of different things

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: and don’t

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: think about it they just think yeah

i just really i’m into shoes that’s my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: thing that’s what i’m in to it’s

about the extent that they

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: go with it instead of asking deeper

and going deeper

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: to it than when

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you go back through and you’ve re

lived through some of that trauma you’re not

[Nick McGowan]: actually sitting in it right you’re watching

the movie what sort of

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: what sort of conversation are you having

with little o u from the adult you

[Nick McGowan]: what’s that conversation sort of look like

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: pieces

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that’s powerful

[Nick McGowan]: of it you know

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: as well as powerful now i mean

we have to walk people through this before

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: there’s

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: any further damage

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: because trauma causes all sorts of crazy

stuff in the brain

[Nick McGowan]: m oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and it also causes depression as we

know but most people don’t understand the brain

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: it comes to depression and stuff like

that we we need four chemicals every

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: day to produce every day and this

is trauma for you can’t you cannot you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: cannot achieve full happiness without these four

chemicals and you cannot have these four chemicals

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: while you have trina so you’ve got

a look at dolphins

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the gem dopamine reward pleasure thank you

complaint somebody when he’s released saratonan is our

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: social belonging and sunlight oxitosones cudtining with


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: beans so

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: what happens is somebody starts to get

depressed the depressed go to the doctor goes

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to the doctor gives him an s

he goes on the medication thank

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you farmer suitable companies

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: now is stuck in the medication

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: thrust of his life now he gets


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to normal why the fuck is nobody


[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the question hey johnny why fuck arizona

lie n the first place

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but he’s asking that that’s what

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we do but he asked the question

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that going oh wow yeah don’t say

i’m in the mouth

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: for this company i will fucking tan

you down if you try and put my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: methods you know that’s just crazy i

[Nick McGowan]: eh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: will tell you down with science i

will tell you down with over eight thousand

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: patients move out that are all recovered

from alcolisagot their own life but mind set

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: has changed whatever it is because it’s

the understanding

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: unless you have brain damage everybody become

a champion everybody can achieve the dreams every

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: single body that comes to me is

a hunder per cent success right we’re the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: only company in the world as a

ninetyceven per cent success rate the rest are

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: about two or three percent we’re the

only company in the world that offer a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: money back guarantee if you continue to

do our program and reland the only company

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in the world that does that why

because we fucking now our ship we don’t

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mix with em treating sense and and

we’ve got some great trainmen and it’s don’t

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: geting wrong that we use half of

a million from money into the so how

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: do we change that brain

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: centre nervassystm therefore behavior of the person

that needs to be here

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: only think is here and that’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to learn behavior we got we got

huge mason jar we stuck a thousand fleas

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in because i’ve heard of this experiment

i didn’t believe it we put the screw

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: cap on we punched holes and we

left it for three days now fleas can

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: jump three or four for no problems


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we uncapped it not one fly in

that jumped higher than where the cat was

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: okay that’s pretty interesting

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but what was mind

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: blowing is when they had babies in

ja the babies wouldn’t jump higher than where

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the lid was and they’ve never seen

the lid

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: so see how we get this from

our parents and care

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: givers show your friends are showing your

future you know the people who hang around

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with matter how many times have

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you on they always hang around with

a bad crowd fuck what get him out

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: of there because it’s gonna

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: be what’s tucking wrong with you somehow

somewhere parents dropped the ball after the second

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: welwa about four or fifty years ago

they did how to control the hat many

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: births and everything after the

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: second world war that you know nobody

knew about trauma

[Nick McGowan]: yeah i think everybody knew that there

was trauma it just people didn’t actually want

[Nick McGowan]: to suck and talk about it which

is part of the major issue

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and you’re not talking about it therefore

nobody else is talking about therefore the entire

[Nick McGowan]: group of humans aren’t really talking about

it but there’s a small

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: no

[Nick McGowan]: group now we’re starting to see some

of that open up there are some people

[Nick McGowan]: i think are taking it too fucking

far where they’re just almost

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: selfish with it instead of

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: looking for healing and to help others

what you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: talked about at a simple form it’s

not solving the fucking symptoms it’s the problem

[Nick McGowan]: it’s solving

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: the core problem that’s thing to do

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: eh yeah

[Nick McGowan]: were a lot of farmer suiticales and

other companies like that they just want to

[Nick McGowan]: solve the symptoms

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: or at least appease the symptoms because


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that keeps you coming back so i


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: exactly

[Nick McGowan]: that i love the fact that you’re


[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we’ve

[Nick McGowan]: we’re gonna

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: got you

[Nick McGowan]: get straight to the fucking core yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i would well

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: like people have called me aggressive before

i don’t give a ship by the way

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but people do

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: because you’ve got to tell

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: truth you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: nobody’s telling the truth any more about

this illness or the disease

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: on depression like you said that the

alcohol the food the sex upon everything mine

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: said depression everything is the

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: symptom of what’s really going on what’s


[Nick McGowan]: ok

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: fun what’s fucking really going on here

you know

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: why aren’t you performing at this level

and you only at this level and then

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we find out that something as happened

in your life that you’ve hit that top

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: where the fleas couldn’t jump out and

what we do

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: is were sucking take you out and

fly you away to king the moon with

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: what

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you can do every human

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: being is capable of changing the world

every human being you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and i often get this as well

well i can’t be president united states i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: used to get that it’s like i

don’t get

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: a fuck what your personal political views

that we had a business around the country

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: don’t tell me you can’t do anything

from homeless

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to hear come on really i’ve lived

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: through that ship m my patients never

come to me and said i don’t think

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i can do it i would slap

them so fucking hard

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: they want no ideas be

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mind set is everything you know it

really is there was there was a trial

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: at school in england many years ago

and the scientific life came into the

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: school and they said we have a

test and example hat will tell you the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: top three these eight nine ten year

old tell you the top three in your

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: school that are going to go on


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: be captains of industries famous

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: million billionaire even this is back four

years ago they said well we’d love to

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know that so the next day they

came to give everybody a test sheet everybody

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: did the test

[Nick McGowan]: kay

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: they were all gathered up and he

said we’ll be back tomorrow with the result

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and he came back and he said

here’s your top free johnny what’s johnny billy

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: is that billy and susan okay i

can see susan we’ll be back in twelve

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: months time to see how it all

went so they turned up in twelve months

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: time how’s our three students and the

head master was like oh my god how

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: the hell did you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: once at an offer of college is

twelve years old the other they all did

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: amazing these three students so they said

listen we need to know about this chest

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: now we need to know we we

could sell it world wide and and the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: scientific research i said to him well

actually there wasn’t a test was our fake

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: we threw all the examples away in

the bend when we left here in the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: trash so they

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: had said i don’t understand how come

the three i don’t understand and the scientist

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: lives said the three are successful because

you thought it were successful

[Nick McGowan]: yep

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you treated them as successful because you

did so they become that’s

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: all there is to it you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: know your friends look at the circle

around you dialogue with people and don’t give

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: a shit white people think i’m going

to start that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: business off really you know i was

in dallas texas i’m tinging wit book guys

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with my you’re not an author don’t

be stupid you can’t do that sexual years

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to write a book never wrote a

book i moved down to san antonio three

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: years ago new set of guys thinking

of it in a book fuck i would

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: so read that book i wrote a

book so it’s really important the people around

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: us you will put that if if

you’re on twenty grand a year and an

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: on forty start hanging around the guys

at fort grand and so on and

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: so on and so on until you

get to that place every mind can be

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: changed i re wired the brain and

so does my stuff to every person that

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: wants to do and it’s simple everybody

doesn’t want to talk about it like you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: said or don’t think the bad or

yeah i’m not going to go and seek

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: help help for my depression and all

my because now that was embarrassed that’s

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: why we went to tally health full

time it’s like i can get

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in your mind within four minutes when

you sat at home and your comfort pajamas

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with you teas on the back drop

in an office somewhere it’s amazing it’s all

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: about

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: mind it’s all about human beings what

they’re capable of doing because if you think

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that you’re doing the best you can

right now you’re operating on

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: twenty

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: five per cent was

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: what you can be

[Nick McGowan]: yeah absolutely and you know you’ve gone

back a handful of times about having the

[Nick McGowan]: people around you but that starts with

you as the person

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: and you having a belief in yourself

that there’s more

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: and that’s what i mentioned aout earlier

getting to a point just like you live

[Nick McGowan]: through just like i’d live through and

so many people you get to a point

[Nick McGowan]: were you go fuck this things have

to change

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: me

[Nick McGowan]: and that’s on you to then take

that next step

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but even that first step that next

step just be talking to somebody having a

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: conversation and that will start to incrementally

grow from there so what sort of advice

[Nick McGowan]: would you give to the audience that’s

on the path towards self mastery

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: well it’s all about you’ve got to

understand the mirroring

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: part of the brain okay you know

salesman us all the time and you cross

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: legs on cross legs you have the

beef all of the beef you have the

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you know ship like that we all

want to fit in okay we all want

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to fit in so again it’s it’s

the dialogue and it’s to hang in with

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: these people and make an effort to

change just like you’re just said in i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: get up the morning you’re going to

say to yourself fuck this i want to

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: change see out the change be that

be the changer everybody

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: in this world as the capacity capability

and mentality and psychological

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: brain power to be a leader everybody


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: okay what if you’re that leader

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: if not now when if not you

who c

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you’re a hundred times powerful

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: than you think you are

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: and everybody needs to be

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: led so everyone needs a leader why

can’t it be you so change that mindset

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: get a dialogue

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: started because it like when i started


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i wasn’t going to talk to anybody

about it i was ashamed i was embarrassed

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: but you don’t want to started talking

to like many people i go yeah but

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i can’t stop drinking and the other

gun said me too watched

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you tube yeah so if i’m going

for depression or mind set of just so

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: whatever it is and i start mixing

with like mine people then you kind of

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: joke about it i often tell i

go to see a

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: therapist because i still have a therapist

went to one i said you’re an alcoholic

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you said no but i’ve been to

college and i said you can’t help me

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i said when you mean you can’t

help me i can help you i’m highly

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: educated i said if you have a

bottle of vodka behind your back and i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: wanted to drink do you know how

to stab you in the face repeatedly until

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: are dead to get that there’s no

need for that you’re no good to go

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to the next guy you and i

been through it all so if you had

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: a bottle of bove behind you and

i stab you in the face what would

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: you do fuck me i do exactly

say you see the mirroring part belonging

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to your tribe

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: find your tribe

[Nick McGowan]: that’s a beautiful way to be able

to end this

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: m

[Nick McGowan]: rob it’s been a pleasure to have

you on man i appreciate the authenticity and

[Nick McGowan]: you’re just being fucking real and getting

into this because i know you’ve been through

[Nick McGowan]: the ship too so man appreciate you

being on where could people find you and

[Nick McGowan]: where can they connect with you

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: dr rob kelly and any search anging

around the world can find me a spell

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: my name in two b

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: r o b b l o y

dot comes on website jump on there

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: with some great stuff on the the

books and the last thing my daughter said

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: daddy daddy please stop drinking it’s nine

dollars all of the nine dollars goes out

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: so last year we took fourteen thousand

profit from the book that was amazon took

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: their part all of that money and

a hundred and twenty thousand out of my

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: pocket go back out into the community

to help people like me so go and

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: do an do your research

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: go and do your finding us all

social d s you know finders likes

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: callers texts and listen

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: guys there’s probably might be one of

two listen to this if you’re not placed

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: that at home where you’re depressed her

you’re not thinkin o goin to manton i

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: think when you think that you know

you’re just the horrible

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: guy two things

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: first of all

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: want to apologize to you because somebody’s

fucking put that there okay and secondly

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: two one

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: four six zero zero zero two one

zero is my personal self on number text

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: me if you’re going through that because

i was a human being i’d rather make

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ten minutes

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: to give you

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: a pettock that will change your life


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: i’ll send you a hundred dollars than

hear of your funeral next week

[Nick McGowan]: my absolutely

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: i can’t stress that enough i appreciate

you being honest and open about that and

[Nick McGowan]: that’s a big thing so anybody that’s

listening any problems anything that’s going on if

[Nick McGowan]: it’s not one of us you’re going

to reach out to because you don’t know

[Nick McGowan]: who we are or maybe you’re afraid

to then let it be somebody that you

[Nick McGowan]: know somebody that you can just say

hey i think i have a problem i

[Nick McGowan]: need to talk

[dr_robb_kelly]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: about it that’s what that boils down

to again

[Dr. Robb Kelly]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: dr rob you’re the man appreciate your

being on we will talk to you all

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