Episode summary: Mind Cluck is just like it sounds. When Maria was young, she was looking deep into who she was and why she was the way she is.
She started listening in closely to her inner voice and realized all the mind cluck it can create. As we all have that little voice inside our head, sometimes it can create chaos and becomes mind cluck.
If we don’t address the mind cluck, it just gets worse. So, Maria discusses how we can keep the mind cluck down to a minimum and even heal some of the mindcluck.
Guest Name & Bio: High achievers hire Maria T. Finch to silence the mindcluck that leaves them feeling unsatisfied or even miserable despite their success.
Maria guides them to tune into their inner intelligence to build and execute strategies that shift them from feeling frustrated AF to being the queens or kings of their lives.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Hey Maria. How are you doing? Welcome to theshow.
[Maria T Finch]: Hi Nick thanks so much for having me. I’m thrilled to be here [Nick McGowan]: I’m excited to talk about mind cluck [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and i [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: now when i first read that i was like what the fuck is [Maria T Finch]: ohind luck okay that might be about
[Maria T Finch]: uh [Nick McGowan]: what it is [Maria T Finch]: uh [Nick McGowan]: i started look though your [Maria T Finch]: ye [Nick McGowan]: website and gone through some of thestuff and we were going back and forth
[Nick McGowan]: and man i’m just really excited tobe able to get into this but without
[Nick McGowan]: stealing your part of the show here Maria [Nick McGowan]: wanted to tell us you are what you do for a living and what thing thatost people don’t know about you that’s
maybe a little odd or bizarre
[Maria T Finch]: okay so i’m Maria Finch I aman inner intelligence coach my practice is called
[Maria T Finch]: silence the mind cluck my cluck meansexactly what you think it means which is
[Maria T Finch]: mine funk i created a pig versionfor the
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Maria T Finch]: greater world but [Nick McGowan]: uh [Maria T Finch]: on this show i’ve been told [Nick McGowan]: uh [Maria T Finch]: i can let loose so i will [Nick McGowan]: fucking have at it [Maria T Finch]: yeh so i also have an amazonbusiness and let’s see something bizarre about me
[Maria T Finch]: so i’m four foot eleven and aquarter and i love old school rap music
[Nick McGowan]: so do those things work together orwhy would you toss those both out like
[Nick McGowan]: kind of small and i really lovegangs to wrap okay
[Maria T Finch]: i don’t know i like that ilike the
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: contrast of those because i’m like asmall woman and yet i can wrap rend
[Maria T Finch]: m c now easily [Nick McGowan]: oh that’s pretty awesome [Maria T Finch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: i love asking that sort of stuffbecause really and you and i
[Maria T Finch]: uh [Nick McGowan]: think are akin to this you neverknow
[Maria T Finch]: h [Nick McGowan]: what sort of things on to comeout of somebody’s mouth you have no idea
[Nick McGowan]: what stories behind their eyes what they’vegone through or what they’re
[Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: into and [Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: i’ve joked on the show with differentpeople where i’ve i’ve judged different people different
[Nick McGowan]: things and it’s so and when youhear something that’s different to what you judged
[Nick McGowan]: them by and it’s interesting to hearhow you’re like well i’m this tall and
[Nick McGowan]: i really like this style of musicbecause certain people might just have a thing
[Nick McGowan]: about that [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: or either way have you said thatto somebody before and they’re like what that
[Nick McGowan]: shocked by what you said [Maria T Finch]: um so i was an associate peace [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: court director and the first time thati gathered with my volunteers like in an
[Maria T Finch]: evening activity where you know we’re hangingout around a bonfire
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: in something and somebody said oh doyou have music that you like and i’m
[Maria T Finch]: like yeah so i gave them aplay list that i was just wrapping by
[Maria T Finch]: the fire [Maria T Finch]: and they were like who [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: because you know we’re in africa andthey hadn’t they didn’t know me that well
[Maria T Finch]: yet and [Nick McGowan]: ah [Maria T Finch]: so [Nick McGowan]: wow [Maria T Finch]: i felt like it was kind ofan interesting way to introduce myself
[Nick McGowan]: the hell of a way to introduceyourself by spitting bars well done maria uh
[Maria T Finch]: man that’s cool
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: so you were in the peace coursefor how long were you in peace score
[Maria T Finch]: no [Nick McGowan]: and how did you get into that [Maria T Finch]: so i was a peace core [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: volunteer myself [Maria T Finch]: in to go west africa [Maria T Finch]: it was just something that i really [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: wanted to do and at that timeit was quite a on application process i
[Maria T Finch]: lived in the middle of nowhere itaught people how to farm fish in ponds
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: and then because [Maria T Finch]: that experience was so significant in mylife um as i went through my career
[Maria T Finch]: i decided to go back and becomean associate piece core director and
[Maria T Finch]: then i managed a large team ofvolunteers in the teeny tiny country of lusutu
[Maria T Finch]: which is [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: inside of southern africa [Nick McGowan]: wow you know most people don’t havea story that gets them even out of
[Nick McGowan]: their own damn town [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: let alone into other countries and goingthrough
[Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: a lot of that and i personallythink that everybody’s got to expire and some
[Nick McGowan]: of that at some point go toanother country spend some time because you’ll come
[Nick McGowan]: back thinking different did you experience thesame
[Maria T Finch]: oh yeah absolutely i mean for mecross cultural experiences have been a major part
[Maria T Finch]: of my life when i was seventeen [Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: i left home and i was anexchange student for a year in port i
[Maria T Finch]: lived with a [Nick McGowan]: wow [Maria T Finch]: wonderful family i became fluent in portuguese [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: i attended portuguese high school but thegreat thing was i had already finished high
[Maria T Finch]: school in the us so i didn’thave grades so i could ditch
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: go into town and drink beer icould do all
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: of the things that i would havenever done when
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: i was actually in high school becausei was already accepted
[Nick McGowan]: well [Maria T Finch]: to college but it was just anamazing
[Maria T Finch]: cross cultural [Nick McGowan]: go [Maria T Finch]: experience and i by getting out intoother cultures it has given me a breadth
[Maria T Finch]: of perspective that i really cherish [Nick McGowan]: yeah well so where did you growup did you grow up on kind of
[Nick McGowan]: like a farm area in the middleof the city give us a little bit
[Nick McGowan]: background on that [Maria T Finch]: i grew up in southern california [Maria T Finch]: into beach town [Nick McGowan]: okay [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: now i can hear it now ican
[Maria T Finch]: yet [Nick McGowan]: hear in your voice [Maria T Finch]: i had the twang i had thesouthern california twang my friends
[Maria T Finch]: in college always hustled me for theway i say banana
[Nick McGowan]: oh it could be worse it couldbe from delco so i have people that
[Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: are like do you want a glasswater like can hold your water
[Maria T Finch]: h yeah [Nick McGowan]: and so [Maria T Finch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: getting out into the peace core especiallygetting over into another country at such a
[Nick McGowan]: young age was that something that youfelt like man i really need to get
[Nick McGowan]: out of my house and go experiencesomething different or where you in kind of
[Nick McGowan]: a good spot growing up that youfeel like if you didn’t go this route
[Nick McGowan]: life could have maybe turned out thesame way
[Maria T Finch]: i was i have been very fortunatein that my family very strongly believes
[Nick McGowan]: h [Maria T Finch]: in being out [Maria T Finch]: in the world so i [Maria T Finch]: was very encouraged to [Maria T Finch]: take these leaps and i will tellyou that as a seventeen year old heading
[Maria T Finch]: off to portugal i mean [Maria T Finch]: i was terrified [Nick McGowan]: i [Maria T Finch]: but [Nick McGowan]: bet [Maria T Finch]: it was it was a really greatexperience and having done it once then i
[Maria T Finch]: came back and then it was likeokay the peace core yeah sure why not
[Maria T Finch]: like i can go to africa [Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: you know i’ve already been somewhere wherei don’t speak the language and i don’t
[Maria T Finch]: know the culture and i did fineand so let me you know bring the
[Maria T Finch]: world on like i want more iwant to see more
[Nick McGowan]: it’s not a beautiful thing when youget just so terrified of the bullshit that
[Nick McGowan]: you don’t [Maria T Finch]: my [Nick McGowan]: know like you have no idea what’sabout to happen but if you’ve been through
[Nick McGowan]: thing similar you can at least reston that and go you know why did
[Nick McGowan]: something similar like this before so ican step out and do that thing and
[Nick McGowan]: a lot of people at times don’tallow themselves even that first thing that they
[Nick McGowan]: get through so you doing that atseventeen and then being able to look back
[Nick McGowan]: at that how many years later [Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: was that early twenty [Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: something like that when you look back [Maria T Finch]: so i was an exchange student from [Nick McGowan]: ye [Maria T Finch]: seventeen to eighteen i joined the peacecore at twenty four so it was after
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Maria T Finch]: college and but one of the thingsthat i still used
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: is any time i feel afraid [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: to ask a question i just rememberwhat it was like to ask a question
[Maria T Finch]: in a totally foreign language in anothercountry and then you’re like well i’m in
[Maria T Finch]: a mirror i’m in my own culturei can ask anything
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: i want so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: it was a really big confidence [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: booster [Nick McGowan]: wow at at a pretty early ageyou know when you think of that could
[Nick McGowan]: have made or broke you broken youin that sense where
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you could have been like i’ve gonethrough these things and kind of sheltered you
[Nick McGowan]: a little bit more but let’s getto the point of this episode now
[Maria T Finch]: sure [Nick McGowan]: the whole mind cluck thing [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: because that of itself is just afun little play on words
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but where did that come up throughyour journey and at what point did it
ake sense to go in the direction
that you’re going now
[Maria T Finch]: well so [Nick McGowan]: ye [Maria T Finch]: my basically from the time i wassixteen i would say i started to really
[Maria T Finch]: look at why who am i andwhy am i the way i am and
[Maria T Finch]: especially [Maria T Finch]: like for the [Maria T Finch]: things that would cause me to reactwhy would i react that way and as
[Maria T Finch]: you start to dive into that yourealize that the root of almost everything in
[Maria T Finch]: life is mind clock and some [Maria T Finch]: mind cluck can be a surface levelwhere it’s just you’re stressed you know it’s
[Maria T Finch]: something in the moment but then there’smind click that’s at a deeper level and
[Maria T Finch]: it’s the mind click at a deeperlevel that will keep coming back around no
[Maria T Finch]: matter how many [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: exercises meditations or whatever you do itwill just keep coming back to you keep
[Maria T Finch]: having that same thought coming up toyou and
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: i i really was [Nick McGowan]: ye [Maria T Finch]: like no i don’t want that youknow
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: i want to figure out how doi shut that up
[Maria T Finch]: and h and [Maria T Finch]: so that’s what i started working onlong time ago now
[Nick McGowan]: well you know i talk a loton the show about awareness like
[Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: if you’re not aware of something youcan’t do a fucking thing about it because
[Maria T Finch]: true [Nick McGowan]: you have no idea that it’s athing
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but what happened for you to getthe point where you are aware that yes
[Nick McGowan]: in your mind you can hear theship that’s going on and you go i
[Nick McGowan]: know it’s frustrating and everybody deals withthat but there had to have been some
[Nick McGowan]: sort of breaking point where you’re likeyou know cluck this i’m done
[Maria T Finch]: you know it’s interesting because for mei didn’t
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Maria T Finch]: have a specific event it [Nick McGowan]: okay [Maria T Finch]: was really that i started to tuneinto my own um i call it my
[Maria T Finch]: wife self so my own inner wisdominner intelligence whatever you wanted whatever you want
[Maria T Finch]: to call it and i don’t remembera pinnacle event that made that happen the
[Maria T Finch]: truth is as i have done moreand more with my own mind to be
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: clearing out my own mind clock um [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: i have really recognized that that wisevoice has always been there and that i
[Maria T Finch]: just [Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: had to really learn to get betterand better at listening to it and so
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: for anyone listening i believe that everysingle person on earth has that wise voice
[Maria T Finch]: you have that inner intelligence that innerknowing and it takes practice to actually
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: tune into it and then really startto trust it and live by it and
[Maria T Finch]: when you do you get to spendmore time feeling calm and confident and connected
[Maria T Finch]: not that you [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: spend all the time there and nowindows but
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Maria T Finch]: but we’re [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: looking for more um and and ido believe that there are some kinds of
[Maria T Finch]: mind click that you can heal completelyand then you don’t
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: deal with that anymore [Nick McGowan]: yeah there’s so many layers to ityou know
[Maria T Finch]: ah there are [Nick McGowan]: i’ve experienced in the past having conversationswith clients friends or even just family
[Maria T Finch]: ohembers about the things that they go
through that they handle problems
[Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: and somebody brought up on some otherepisode if you’re a level three type person
[Nick McGowan]: and a level five problem comes upit’s going to shut you down but if
[Nick McGowan]: you’re [Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: a level eight the person in alevel three problem comes up you’re just going
[Nick McGowan]: a knock it out and be doneand move along
[Maria T Finch]: right [Nick McGowan]: in life [Maria T Finch]: right [Nick McGowan]: and being able to get to thatpoint takes that work to do it
[Maria T Finch]: it [Nick McGowan]: so [Maria T Finch]: really does [Nick McGowan]: it’s oftentimes people have a hard timefiguring out how the funk do you get
[Nick McGowan]: started with that stuff and [Maria T Finch]: no [Nick McGowan]: not just being frustrated because look they [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: can be easy like if you tellsomebody you’re chunky and you need to go
[Nick McGowan]: work out first off that’s kind ofrude until people
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: are chunky but if you’re like lookyou need to go work out maybe you’re
[Nick McGowan]: saying it to yourself and you don’tgo to the gym then you know that
[Nick McGowan]: i’m not doing anything about it butyou can
[Maria T Finch]: hi [Nick McGowan]: physically pick yourself up and go tothe gym
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but when it comes to the andit’s not like you’re going to go to
[Nick McGowan]: a mind gym like i’m not goingto go to captain fitness down the street
[Maria T Finch]: right [Nick McGowan]: and they’re going to mind jim mebut how
[Maria T Finch]: right [Nick McGowan]: did you go about that and howdid you continue to work upon that
[Maria T Finch]: so i mean i started at apretty young age so i actually started talking
[Maria T Finch]: with [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: either a family member or a reallyclose friend in then
[Maria T Finch]: as i got older probably i ihad more awareness and then i could also
[Maria T Finch]: talk more in a more sophisticated wayabout
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Maria T Finch]: what my mind was telling me andthen i started working with it there best
[Maria T Finch]: and that was just totally amazing imean the i know that there you know
[Maria T Finch]: everyone has different experiences with therapy ihave been very lucky to have like fabulous
[Maria T Finch]: experiences where i feel like it justmakes me more connected to who i am
[Maria T Finch]: it makes me feel [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: more centered and calm and confident andsecure and so i’m like heck yeah
[Nick McGowan]: give [Maria T Finch]: thate yeah
[Maria T Finch]: you know um [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: and but i think like for somebodywho’s just getting started if you feel if
[Maria T Finch]: you feel like your thoughts are somethingthat you’re not ready to share with another
[Maria T Finch]: person share it with yourself so startby
[Maria T Finch]: writing and m and be very kindand and gracious to yourself so don’t judge
[Maria T Finch]: what you write just write it justwrite it and then stick it in a
[Maria T Finch]: drawer and then at some point youmight want to go back and read it
[Maria T Finch]: maybe you don’t maybe just the actof writing it will be enough to just
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: get things going often in life italk about we face a lot of boulders
[Maria T Finch]: so this could be a boulder abowler a boulder is the thing that’s standing
[Maria T Finch]: in front of you before as you’resetting find a path to achieve a goal
[Maria T Finch]: and i believe like all you haveto do is get the boulder in motion
[Maria T Finch]: and then physics will take over [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: sometimes it’s a lot of work toget that boulder in tion but
[Nick McGowan]: it’s [Maria T Finch]: every [Nick McGowan]: a boulder [Maria T Finch]: little yeah every little show you giveit it’s doing something so
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: you can start with just very smallsteps if you have trusted friends or family
[Maria T Finch]: member s start with them if you’reready to jump in with a therapist or
[Maria T Finch]: a coach go for it i thinkboth
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: therapist and coaches can be fabulously helpfulin all of this because really
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: it’s helpful is to have somebody onthe outside who can very gently say
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: oh are you aware that you justsaid this a lot of is
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: reflection being reflected back and then understandinglike okay do i agree with that reflection
[Maria T Finch]: do i want that reflection to bedifferent gosh i didn’t realize that i thought
[Maria T Finch]: that why would i think that soit begins begins you it starts you so
[Maria T Finch]: i can’t speak english now [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: it starts you on a path ofof self discovery and being
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: curious so why the funk do ithink this why am
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: i telling myself this gosh i don’twant to tell myself this how do i
[Maria T Finch]: stop m [Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: i don’t [Nick McGowan]: and [Maria T Finch]: know if i answered your question ijust kind of started
[Nick McGowan]: you’re [Maria T Finch]: going so bring me back if youneed to
[Nick McGowan]: totally you’re totally good i appreciate you’regoing with it
[Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: especially when you think of therapist youthink of coaches you think of you’re talking
[Nick McGowan]: to anybody the job of that otherperson shouldn’t be to give you the answers
[Nick McGowan]: because [Maria T Finch]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: they cannot [Maria T Finch]: not no [Nick McGowan]: i mean honestly at the cost ofexposing all of us as coaches we don’t
[Nick McGowan]: have the fucking magical answer we don’twe know
[Maria T Finch]: h [Nick McGowan]: that that’s in there and that honestlyit’s within that intuition but it’s helping people
[Nick McGowan]: be able to connect with with itand asking the right questions that ill gear
[Nick McGowan]: people toward that but like you saidsometimes just the act of writing it out
[Nick McGowan]: i often tell clients and friends evenjust mind dump just fucking
[Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: ship all over the paper with [Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: all the words that are in yourhead just get it all out and if
[Nick McGowan]: it doesn’t make sense that’s totally finebut you might find a couple sentences in
[Nick McGowan]: it makes sense or you get tosomething and even if you don’t it’s just
[Nick McGowan]: that act of doing it as you’retalking about the there and even coaching i
[Nick McGowan]: think that’s kind of along the linesof the mental gym in a sense where
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: people have had terrible trainers or they’relike oh my god this guy kicked my
[Nick McGowan]: ass or he was terrible or heplayed on his phone all day while we’re
[Nick McGowan]: at the gym or whatever some peoplehave really great ones that know how to
[Nick McGowan]: do it know how to work withpeople it’s the same so it’s being able
[Nick McGowan]: to start that but for the peoplethat hear it they’ve heard it before and
[Nick McGowan]: they get it like i and understandbut you don’t understand the things that i’ve
[Nick McGowan]: been through and everybody thinks they havetheir own unique situations how would you suggest
[Nick McGowan]: that some no matter what bullshit excusethey give what’s the one thing that they
[Nick McGowan]: can do to actually start to helpthem to be able to work through that
[Nick McGowan]: and [Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: become more aware of it [Maria T Finch]: i really think the best thing youcan do is start to ask yourself questions
[Maria T Finch]: so part of the in my mindas a coach what i’m doing is asking
[Maria T Finch]: a lot of questions that are gentlethat are compassionate that are curious that are
[Maria T Finch]: safe [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: you know so it’s like i’m justcurious i’m not put any judgment on this
[Maria T Finch]: at [Maria T Finch]: all but you can also do thatto yourself you know
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: so you might you might have apiece of mind cluck saying like you’re never
[Maria T Finch]: going to funk and get this thingdone and then you can a okay well
[Maria T Finch]: why do i [Nick McGowan]: i [Maria T Finch]: think that or ask yourself say whydo you think that and in my experience
[Maria T Finch]: you’ll get an answer [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: if you relax in your and youjust let it come to you you will
[Maria T Finch]: get an answer and it will bethe right answer and
[Maria T Finch]: often [Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: that gets the boulder in motion andthen you start to go okay wait a
[Maria T Finch]: minute well now i want to unpacklike why do
[Nick McGowan]: ah [Maria T Finch]: i have this other thought and why [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: am i feeling dissatisfied at work athome in a relationship where i live you
[Maria T Finch]: know whatever runs the game then youcan start to question those things and if
[Maria T Finch]: you do it in a in akind and compassionate way instead of a judgy
[Maria T Finch]: way it [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: opens you up to connecting with yourown it’s self that’s what i believe
[Nick McGowan]: yeah i love that i know i’mgoing to say probably everybody would agree with
[Nick McGowan]: this that most of the stuff thatwe talk to ourselves about are typically negative
[Nick McGowan]: things [Maria T Finch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: if we follow the preto principle attwenty
[Maria T Finch]: yeah yeah [Nick McGowan]: eighty percent of its bullshit on usand twenty percent might be like well you
[Nick McGowan]: didn’t die so okay cool and insteadof having things that are just automatically praising
[Nick McGowan]: you because that mind cluck that justkeeps running around and doing things but being
[Nick McGowan]: able to break through that and actuallystep into things what are you doing on
[Nick McGowan]: the daily to be able to dothat you journal it’s a lie what do
[Nick McGowan]: you have certain systems or processes thatyou go through
[Maria T Finch]: i do a lot of different thingsso i like to have what i call
[Maria T Finch]: zen activities when i am doing isan activity i let my mind be open
[Maria T Finch]: and often i solve things when i’mdoing that so for me
[Maria T Finch]: this drives a lot [Maria T Finch]: of people crazy but one of myzon activities is cleaning and so like i
[Maria T Finch]: find cleaning very relaxing because i lovehaving it clean house so i like the
[Maria T Finch]: result but i also just [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: find that like while i’m vacuming i’mdoing whatever my brain is just open and
[Maria T Finch]: i don’t [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: usually go into mind club in thattime instead it’s like i can just drift
[Maria T Finch]: a bit and i’ll often just geta solution happens to me when i take
[Maria T Finch]: walks sometimes i write i mean iactually love to write if in a particular
[Maria T Finch]: stretch of mind clock where i’m justfucking sick of it and i’m like oh
[Maria T Finch]: my god [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: if my brain does not shut upi am you know i am like i
[Maria T Finch]: want to blow head up then it’slike okay
[Maria T Finch]: write it down so then i juststart writing and i’ve done this enough now
[Maria T Finch]: that just by the act of writingit brings in my self and then right
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: away so i’ll start out with mindclock i’ll be writing down mine click and
[Maria T Finch]: then i’ll be writing down [Nick McGowan]: yes [Maria T Finch]: the solutions to mine luck and thenyou’re
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: like oh look at that it was [Nick McGowan]: thank [Maria T Finch]: in there [Nick McGowan]: you [Maria T Finch]: a long [Nick McGowan]: yeah man and isn’t that so interestinghow your you’re wise or the intuition isn’t
[Nick McGowan]: going to give you a bunch ofrandom fucking words it’s typical
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: a sint [Maria T Finch]: it’s [Nick McGowan]: one word maybe a couple to getthe point across
[Maria T Finch]: yeah it’s very direct [Nick McGowan]: okay [Maria T Finch]: another exercise that i do and ido this i do this pretty much every
[Maria T Finch]: day [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: sometimes multiple times a day this isone that can be a little harder for
[Maria T Finch]: people to conceivem m
[Maria T Finch]: so what i do is you picturethe so you want to go outside it’s
[Maria T Finch]: easier to do this outside so picturethe globe you know so here’s the globe
[Maria T Finch]: in north america is on the sideof the globe and you’re well and
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: wherever anyone is on the world inthe world so you’re in australia or in
[Maria T Finch]: great britain wherever you are so you’repicturing where you are on the globe and
[Maria T Finch]: think about it you know in termsof north south east west and if you
[Maria T Finch]: don’t know [Nick McGowan]: sure [Maria T Finch]: it doesn’t matter just make it up [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: so what i do is i gooutside
[Nick McGowan]: right [Maria T Finch]: and i look [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: up and then then you start tosee the magic the magic is all floating
[Maria T Finch]: on this giant rock in space andwere held in place
[Maria T Finch]: by gravity and then you look atthe trees and you go those are held
[Maria T Finch]: in place by gravity too coolest thingis to look at water like look at
[Maria T Finch]: a river of the ocean and belike that’s only
[Maria T Finch]: there because of gravity if there wasn’tgravity that would
ado
[Maria T Finch]: be out in the space then [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: look at the sky especially when youhave a blue
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: sky and you look up and thenpicture
[Nick McGowan]: a [Maria T Finch]: you’re floating in space and so whati find is when i do that so
[Maria T Finch]: i’m picturing the globe and buildings andpeople and trees and whatever it’s all just
[Maria T Finch]: like a little layer of hair almosthair on the globe on the globe things
[Maria T Finch]: sticking [Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: up when you when you feel themagnificence of that it makes any little thing
[Maria T Finch]: you’re worried about just seem silly becauseit’s
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: like look at i’m on this giantrock floating in space like how fascinating is
[Maria T Finch]: that [Nick McGowan]: um [Maria T Finch]: and i know that’s [Maria T Finch]: very out there but what it doesfor me is that science is mine clock
[Maria T Finch]: because it’s like okay i’m floating ona rock in space isn’t that fascinating
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: and [Nick McGowan]: it’s [Maria T Finch]: you’re [Nick McGowan]: interesting [Maria T Finch]: looking [Nick McGowan]: how [Maria T Finch]: at me [Nick McGowan]: people [Maria T Finch]: like yeah that’s nuts but [Nick McGowan]: no not at all i agree withit i find it interesting how people look
[Nick McGowan]: at things and will gravitate things thatmake sense for them because everybody needs to
[Nick McGowan]: pull something ack to their grounding where [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: they go where can where can ifeel like even with that you’re kind of
[Nick McGowan]: up in the air but you’re stillgrounded by it because
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you understand i am right here inthis moment in time
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and i do feel a lot ofpeople allow their energy to just be sucked
[Nick McGowan]: out of them and sponged out evenwhere they don’t have things coming back to
[Nick McGowan]: them it’s just all going out andgoing out and they don’t ever pull themselves
[Nick McGowan]: back you know i have something similarnot where i go out and i kind
[Nick McGowan]: of think we’re on this rock andwe’re floating around and all of that
[Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: but i pull my energy back tome and i joke about it because what
akes
[Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: what makes it real for me islike the inner x and of like being
[Nick McGowan]: a super hero and just pulling itall back and literally grabbing at the energy
[Nick McGowan]: and pulling it back to you [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but it’s still a grounding mechanism [Maria T Finch]: it is [Nick McGowan]: where we all want to be ableto get grounded to go i’m here right
[Nick McGowan]: now what’s happening and sometimes it mighteven just take us saying be here right
[Nick McGowan]: now just [Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: being in the moment to be ableto do it so i appreciate that you
[Nick McGowan]: look out and step out to beable to have that kind of relativism to
[Nick McGowan]: understand all things are relative but i’mhere right now going through this and that’s
[Nick McGowan]: not it is out of this worldkind of is
[Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but it’s not and i don’t meanto throw the dad jokes in here but
[Maria T Finch]: it’s fine [Nick McGowan]: there they are [Maria T Finch]: m [Nick McGowan]: um i do appreciate that now goingthrough like you had mentioned what your zen
[Nick McGowan]: activities i think that’s a kind ofa sleeper agent that most people don’t realize
[Nick McGowan]: they naturally do i think a [Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: lot of people will do things likethat some people it’s the dishes
[Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: or sitting out on their back porchor playing with their kids even or whatever
[Nick McGowan]: that looks like and we don’t realizewhat that actually is and again it kind
[Nick McGowan]: of gets back to awareness if youfunking
[Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: understand what you’re doing you can dosomething with it
[Maria T Finch]: well the other thing that’s really importanti think is that in our society
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: there’s such a drive to be busyevery fucking minute of the day and
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: i say don’t i say sit and [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: stare you know or clean and stareor whatever but you got
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: to give yourself those [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: breaks so that you can actually tunein and be like how do i really
[Maria T Finch]: feel today you know do i [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: like do i feel connected am idoes some part of me need some work
[Maria T Finch]: you know some help in is theresome concern i have that i need to
[Maria T Finch]: soothe [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: um [Maria T Finch]: am i just driving forward all thetime without even paying attention to the fact
[Maria T Finch]: that [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: maybe i’m exhausted or i’m hungry ori’m thirsty or i’m upset about what somebody
[Maria T Finch]: said or whatever and it’s like ifyou take the time to step back and
[Maria T Finch]: really pay attention to that that’s alsopart of
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: tune in and the more [Nick McGowan]: right [Maria T Finch]: you tune in the easier it becomesto tune in
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: and then the more tuned in youare the more that like you said before
[Maria T Finch]: the level three your level eight andthe level three problem you’re yeah whatever you
[Maria T Finch]: know moving on [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: and i think like that’s that’s thebeauty of it is getting to where something
[Maria T Finch]: that might have really just like fuckedup your day now you’re just kind of
[Maria T Finch]: like [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: that’s annoying [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: and you go on [Nick McGowan]: yeah and to be aware of thatlike you said earlier have grace with yourself
[Nick McGowan]: we’ve got to be [Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: able to accept those little wins becausea little win right now may be a
[Nick McGowan]: huge win for you know five yearsago ten years ago or even six months
[Nick McGowan]: ago so being [Maria T Finch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: able to accept those little winds ishuge
[Maria T Finch]: yeah and just being able [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: to appreciate i think [Nick McGowan]: right a [Maria T Finch]: i think like any time so forexample see that you have see you have
[Maria T Finch]: a challenging conversation with somebody and you’rereally upset about it and but then you
[Maria T Finch]: figure out you know so you figureout like okay they said this and that
[Maria T Finch]: made me feel insecure because but i’mnot you know i know that don’t need
[Maria T Finch]: to feel insecure that way and thenthe next time you see them they do
[Maria T Finch]: the same thing and you just gom
[Nick McGowan]: right [Maria T Finch]: okay and it’s just [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: like a non event like that [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: is those [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: when when things convert into non eventslike that is totally cause for celebration and
[Maria T Finch]: like you’re saying it might seem reallysmall in the moment but it’s huge
[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah and being aware of thatyou know
[Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: and compounding on those you know yougot to love
[Maria T Finch]: hm [Nick McGowan]: yourself and being able to work through [Maria T Finch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: the toughness that yourself will put youthrough and then being able to
[Maria T Finch]: yah [Nick McGowan]: actually get that out and talk topeople about it we’ve gone through a lot
[Nick McGowan]: of stuff so far even in thisepisode and i feel like we could probably
[Nick McGowan]: talk for another couple of hours [Maria T Finch]: oh i’m sure [Nick McGowan]: but [Maria T Finch]: we could [Nick McGowan]: before we wrap this thing up whatone piece of advice you’d give somebody on
[Nick McGowan]: their path towards self mastery [Maria T Finch]: remember that any belief that you haveabout yourself can be changed this is about
[Maria T Finch]: the neural plasticity of the mind andthat is
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Maria T Finch]: a beautiful beautiful thing so for exampleif you think i well i can’t think
[Maria T Finch]: of a good exampl but you thinki can’t do x or i’m not good
[Maria T Finch]: enough for why you don’t have tospend your life thinking that you can change
[Maria T Finch]: that and you will change your realityand that’s hundred percent possible and just having
[Maria T Finch]: the hope of knowing you can changesomething so something that makes you feel like
[Maria T Finch]: crap right now a thought that makesyou feel terrible right now you have the
[Maria T Finch]: ability change that thought and to feelbetter
[Nick McGowan]: it’s awesome yeah you have the poweraudience you have it it’s there even if
[Nick McGowan]: you don’t fucking think you have itwe are telling you don’t listen to yourself
[Nick McGowan]: in this case listen [Maria T Finch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: to us we’re telling you you haveit it’s there just jump it it and
[Nick McGowan]: if you need people to talk toreach out to either one of us we’re
[Nick McGowan]: here to be able to help [Maria T Finch]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: and maria i appreciate you being onwith us where can people find you where
[Nick McGowan]: can they connect with you [Maria T Finch]: okay so go to silence the [Nick McGowan]: at [Maria T Finch]: mind cluck dot com that’s my websiteyou can also just do mind cluck dot
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: com and book free discovery [Nick McGowan]: yeah oh [Maria T Finch]: session with me and if you mindcluck happening right now and you’d like to
[Maria T Finch]: figure out what kind go to what [Nick McGowan]: oh [Maria T Finch]: the cluck quiz dot com and youcan take a
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Maria T Finch]: quiz and find out what mind cluckloud and get solutions
[Nick McGowan]: that’s awesome again maria thank you somuch for being on the show today appreciate
[Nick McGowan]: your time [Maria T Finch]: thank you so much for having me