Battling The MindCluck – Ep.052 – Maria T. Finch

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Episode summary:​ Mind Cluck is just like it sounds. When Maria was young, she was looking deep into who she was and why she was the way she is.

She started listening in closely to her inner voice and realized all the mind cluck it can create. As we all have that little voice inside our head, sometimes it can create chaos and becomes mind cluck.

If we don’t address the mind cluck, it just gets worse. So, Maria discusses how we can keep the mind cluck down to a minimum and even heal some of the mindcluck. 

Guest Name & Bio: High achievers hire Maria T. Finch to silence the mindcluck that leaves them feeling unsatisfied or even miserable despite their success.

Maria guides them to tune into their inner intelligence to build and execute strategies that shift them from feeling frustrated AF to being the queens or kings of their lives.

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[Nick McGowan]: Hey Maria. How are you doing? Welcome to the


[Maria T Finch]: Hi Nick thanks so much for having me. I’m thrilled to be here

[Nick McGowan]: I’m excited to talk about mind cluck

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and i

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: now when i first read that i was like what the fuck is

[Maria T Finch]: oh

ind luck okay that might be about

[Maria T Finch]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: what it is

[Maria T Finch]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: i started look though your

[Maria T Finch]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: website and gone through some of the

stuff and we were going back and forth

[Nick McGowan]: and man i’m just really excited to

be able to get into this but without

[Nick McGowan]: stealing your part of the show here Maria

[Nick McGowan]: wanted to tell us you are what you do for a living and what thing that

ost people don’t know about you that’s

maybe a little odd or bizarre

[Maria T Finch]: okay so i’m Maria Finch I am

an inner intelligence coach my practice is called

[Maria T Finch]: silence the mind cluck my cluck means

exactly what you think it means which is

[Maria T Finch]: mine funk i created a pig version

for the

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Maria T Finch]: greater world but

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Maria T Finch]: on this show i’ve been told

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Maria T Finch]: i can let loose so i will

[Nick McGowan]: fucking have at it

[Maria T Finch]: yeh so i also have an amazon

business and let’s see something bizarre about me

[Maria T Finch]: so i’m four foot eleven and a

quarter and i love old school rap music

[Nick McGowan]: so do those things work together or

why would you toss those both out like

[Nick McGowan]: kind of small and i really love

gangs to wrap okay

[Maria T Finch]: i don’t know i like that i

like the

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: contrast of those because i’m like a

small woman and yet i can wrap rend

[Maria T Finch]: m c now easily

[Nick McGowan]: oh that’s pretty awesome

[Maria T Finch]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: i love asking that sort of stuff

because really and you and i

[Maria T Finch]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: think are akin to this you never


[Maria T Finch]: h

[Nick McGowan]: what sort of things on to come

out of somebody’s mouth you have no idea

[Nick McGowan]: what stories behind their eyes what they’ve

gone through or what they’re

[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: into and

[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve joked on the show with different

people where i’ve i’ve judged different people different

[Nick McGowan]: things and it’s so and when you

hear something that’s different to what you judged

[Nick McGowan]: them by and it’s interesting to hear

how you’re like well i’m this tall and

[Nick McGowan]: i really like this style of music

because certain people might just have a thing

[Nick McGowan]: about that

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: or either way have you said that

to somebody before and they’re like what that

[Nick McGowan]: shocked by what you said

[Maria T Finch]: um so i was an associate peace

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: court director and the first time that

i gathered with my volunteers like in an

[Maria T Finch]: evening activity where you know we’re hanging

out around a bonfire

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: in something and somebody said oh do

you have music that you like and i’m

[Maria T Finch]: like yeah so i gave them a

play list that i was just wrapping by

[Maria T Finch]: the fire

[Maria T Finch]: and they were like who

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: because you know we’re in africa and

they hadn’t they didn’t know me that well

[Maria T Finch]: yet and

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Maria T Finch]: so

[Nick McGowan]: wow

[Maria T Finch]: i felt like it was kind of

an interesting way to introduce myself

[Nick McGowan]: the hell of a way to introduce

yourself by spitting bars well done maria uh

[Maria T Finch]: m

an that’s cool

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so you were in the peace course

for how long were you in peace score

[Maria T Finch]: no

[Nick McGowan]: and how did you get into that

[Maria T Finch]: so i was a peace core

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: volunteer myself

[Maria T Finch]: in to go west africa

[Maria T Finch]: it was just something that i really

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: wanted to do and at that time

it was quite a on application process i

[Maria T Finch]: lived in the middle of nowhere i

taught people how to farm fish in ponds

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: and then because

[Maria T Finch]: that experience was so significant in my

life um as i went through my career

[Maria T Finch]: i decided to go back and become

an associate piece core director and

[Maria T Finch]: then i managed a large team of

volunteers in the teeny tiny country of lusutu

[Maria T Finch]: which is

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: inside of southern africa

[Nick McGowan]: wow you know most people don’t have

a story that gets them even out of

[Nick McGowan]: their own damn town

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: let alone into other countries and going


[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: a lot of that and i personally

think that everybody’s got to expire and some

[Nick McGowan]: of that at some point go to

another country spend some time because you’ll come

[Nick McGowan]: back thinking different did you experience the


[Maria T Finch]: oh yeah absolutely i mean for me

cross cultural experiences have been a major part

[Maria T Finch]: of my life when i was seventeen

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: i left home and i was an

exchange student for a year in port i

[Maria T Finch]: lived with a

[Nick McGowan]: wow

[Maria T Finch]: wonderful family i became fluent in portuguese

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: i attended portuguese high school but the

great thing was i had already finished high

[Maria T Finch]: school in the us so i didn’t

have grades so i could ditch

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: go into town and drink beer i

could do all

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: of the things that i would have

never done when

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: i was actually in high school because

i was already accepted

[Nick McGowan]: well

[Maria T Finch]: to college but it was just an


[Maria T Finch]: cross cultural

[Nick McGowan]: go

[Maria T Finch]: experience and i by getting out into

other cultures it has given me a breadth

[Maria T Finch]: of perspective that i really cherish

[Nick McGowan]: yeah well so where did you grow

up did you grow up on kind of

[Nick McGowan]: like a farm area in the middle

of the city give us a little bit

[Nick McGowan]: background on that

[Maria T Finch]: i grew up in southern california

[Maria T Finch]: into beach town

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: now i can hear it now i


[Maria T Finch]: yet

[Nick McGowan]: hear in your voice

[Maria T Finch]: i had the twang i had the

southern california twang my friends

[Maria T Finch]: in college always hustled me for the

way i say banana

[Nick McGowan]: oh it could be worse it could

be from delco so i have people that

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: are like do you want a glass

water like can hold your water

[Maria T Finch]: h yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and so

[Maria T Finch]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: getting out into the peace core especially

getting over into another country at such a

[Nick McGowan]: young age was that something that you

felt like man i really need to get

[Nick McGowan]: out of my house and go experience

something different or where you in kind of

[Nick McGowan]: a good spot growing up that you

feel like if you didn’t go this route

[Nick McGowan]: life could have maybe turned out the

same way

[Maria T Finch]: i was i have been very fortunate

in that my family very strongly believes

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Maria T Finch]: in being out

[Maria T Finch]: in the world so i

[Maria T Finch]: was very encouraged to

[Maria T Finch]: take these leaps and i will tell

you that as a seventeen year old heading

[Maria T Finch]: off to portugal i mean

[Maria T Finch]: i was terrified

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Maria T Finch]: but

[Nick McGowan]: bet

[Maria T Finch]: it was it was a really great

experience and having done it once then i

[Maria T Finch]: came back and then it was like

okay the peace core yeah sure why not

[Maria T Finch]: like i can go to africa

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: you know i’ve already been somewhere where

i don’t speak the language and i don’t

[Maria T Finch]: know the culture and i did fine

and so let me you know bring the

[Maria T Finch]: world on like i want more i

want to see more

[Nick McGowan]: it’s not a beautiful thing when you

get just so terrified of the bullshit that

[Nick McGowan]: you don’t

[Maria T Finch]: my

[Nick McGowan]: know like you have no idea what’s

about to happen but if you’ve been through

[Nick McGowan]: thing similar you can at least rest

on that and go you know why did

[Nick McGowan]: something similar like this before so i

can step out and do that thing and

[Nick McGowan]: a lot of people at times don’t

allow themselves even that first thing that they

[Nick McGowan]: get through so you doing that at

seventeen and then being able to look back

[Nick McGowan]: at that how many years later

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: was that early twenty

[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: something like that when you look back

[Maria T Finch]: so i was an exchange student from

[Nick McGowan]: ye

[Maria T Finch]: seventeen to eighteen i joined the peace

core at twenty four so it was after

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Maria T Finch]: college and but one of the things

that i still used

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: is any time i feel afraid

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: to ask a question i just remember

what it was like to ask a question

[Maria T Finch]: in a totally foreign language in another

country and then you’re like well i’m in

[Maria T Finch]: a mirror i’m in my own culture

i can ask anything

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: i want so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: it was a really big confidence

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: booster

[Nick McGowan]: wow at at a pretty early age

you know when you think of that could

[Nick McGowan]: have made or broke you broken you

in that sense where

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you could have been like i’ve gone

through these things and kind of sheltered you

[Nick McGowan]: a little bit more but let’s get

to the point of this episode now

[Maria T Finch]: sure

[Nick McGowan]: the whole mind cluck thing

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: because that of itself is just a

fun little play on words

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but where did that come up through

your journey and at what point did it

ake sense to go in the direction

that you’re going now

[Maria T Finch]: well so

[Nick McGowan]: ye

[Maria T Finch]: my basically from the time i was

sixteen i would say i started to really

[Maria T Finch]: look at why who am i and

why am i the way i am and

[Maria T Finch]: especially

[Maria T Finch]: like for the

[Maria T Finch]: things that would cause me to react

why would i react that way and as

[Maria T Finch]: you start to dive into that you

realize that the root of almost everything in

[Maria T Finch]: life is mind clock and some

[Maria T Finch]: mind cluck can be a surface level

where it’s just you’re stressed you know it’s

[Maria T Finch]: something in the moment but then there’s

mind click that’s at a deeper level and

[Maria T Finch]: it’s the mind click at a deeper

level that will keep coming back around no

[Maria T Finch]: matter how many

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: exercises meditations or whatever you do it

will just keep coming back to you keep

[Maria T Finch]: having that same thought coming up to

you and

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: i i really was

[Nick McGowan]: ye

[Maria T Finch]: like no i don’t want that you


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: i want to figure out how do

i shut that up

[Maria T Finch]: and h and

[Maria T Finch]: so that’s what i started working on

long time ago now

[Nick McGowan]: well you know i talk a lot

on the show about awareness like

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: if you’re not aware of something you

can’t do a fucking thing about it because

[Maria T Finch]: true

[Nick McGowan]: you have no idea that it’s a


[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but what happened for you to get

the point where you are aware that yes

[Nick McGowan]: in your mind you can hear the

ship that’s going on and you go i

[Nick McGowan]: know it’s frustrating and everybody deals with

that but there had to have been some

[Nick McGowan]: sort of breaking point where you’re like

you know cluck this i’m done

[Maria T Finch]: you know it’s interesting because for me

i didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Maria T Finch]: have a specific event it

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Maria T Finch]: was really that i started to tune

into my own um i call it my

[Maria T Finch]: wife self so my own inner wisdom

inner intelligence whatever you wanted whatever you want

[Maria T Finch]: to call it and i don’t remember

a pinnacle event that made that happen the

[Maria T Finch]: truth is as i have done more

and more with my own mind to be

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: clearing out my own mind clock um

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: i have really recognized that that wise

voice has always been there and that i

[Maria T Finch]: just

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: had to really learn to get better

and better at listening to it and so

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: for anyone listening i believe that every

single person on earth has that wise voice

[Maria T Finch]: you have that inner intelligence that inner

knowing and it takes practice to actually

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: tune into it and then really start

to trust it and live by it and

[Maria T Finch]: when you do you get to spend

more time feeling calm and confident and connected

[Maria T Finch]: not that you

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: spend all the time there and no

windows but

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Maria T Finch]: but we’re

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: looking for more um and and i

do believe that there are some kinds of

[Maria T Finch]: mind click that you can heal completely

and then you don’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: deal with that anymore

[Nick McGowan]: yeah there’s so many layers to it

you know

[Maria T Finch]: ah there are

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve experienced in the past having conversations

with clients friends or even just family

[Maria T Finch]: oh

embers about the things that they go

through that they handle problems

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: and somebody brought up on some other

episode if you’re a level three type person

[Nick McGowan]: and a level five problem comes up

it’s going to shut you down but if

[Nick McGowan]: you’re

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: a level eight the person in a

level three problem comes up you’re just going

[Nick McGowan]: a knock it out and be done

and move along

[Maria T Finch]: right

[Nick McGowan]: in life

[Maria T Finch]: right

[Nick McGowan]: and being able to get to that

point takes that work to do it

[Maria T Finch]: it

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Maria T Finch]: really does

[Nick McGowan]: it’s oftentimes people have a hard time

figuring out how the funk do you get

[Nick McGowan]: started with that stuff and

[Maria T Finch]: no

[Nick McGowan]: not just being frustrated because look they

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: can be easy like if you tell

somebody you’re chunky and you need to go

[Nick McGowan]: work out first off that’s kind of

rude until people

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: are chunky but if you’re like look

you need to go work out maybe you’re

[Nick McGowan]: saying it to yourself and you don’t

go to the gym then you know that

[Nick McGowan]: i’m not doing anything about it but

you can

[Maria T Finch]: hi

[Nick McGowan]: physically pick yourself up and go to

the gym

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but when it comes to the and

it’s not like you’re going to go to

[Nick McGowan]: a mind gym like i’m not going

to go to captain fitness down the street

[Maria T Finch]: right

[Nick McGowan]: and they’re going to mind jim me

but how

[Maria T Finch]: right

[Nick McGowan]: did you go about that and how

did you continue to work upon that

[Maria T Finch]: so i mean i started at a

pretty young age so i actually started talking

[Maria T Finch]: with

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: either a family member or a really

close friend in then

[Maria T Finch]: as i got older probably i i

had more awareness and then i could also

[Maria T Finch]: talk more in a more sophisticated way


[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Maria T Finch]: what my mind was telling me and

then i started working with it there best

[Maria T Finch]: and that was just totally amazing i

mean the i know that there you know

[Maria T Finch]: everyone has different experiences with therapy i

have been very lucky to have like fabulous

[Maria T Finch]: experiences where i feel like it just

makes me more connected to who i am

[Maria T Finch]: it makes me feel

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: more centered and calm and confident and

secure and so i’m like heck yeah

[Nick McGowan]: give

[Maria T Finch]: that

e yeah

[Maria T Finch]: you know um

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: and but i think like for somebody

who’s just getting started if you feel if

[Maria T Finch]: you feel like your thoughts are something

that you’re not ready to share with another

[Maria T Finch]: person share it with yourself so start


[Maria T Finch]: writing and m and be very kind

and and gracious to yourself so don’t judge

[Maria T Finch]: what you write just write it just

write it and then stick it in a

[Maria T Finch]: drawer and then at some point you

might want to go back and read it

[Maria T Finch]: maybe you don’t maybe just the act

of writing it will be enough to just

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: get things going often in life i

talk about we face a lot of boulders

[Maria T Finch]: so this could be a boulder a

bowler a boulder is the thing that’s standing

[Maria T Finch]: in front of you before as you’re

setting find a path to achieve a goal

[Maria T Finch]: and i believe like all you have

to do is get the boulder in motion

[Maria T Finch]: and then physics will take over

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: sometimes it’s a lot of work to

get that boulder in tion but

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Maria T Finch]: every

[Nick McGowan]: a boulder

[Maria T Finch]: little yeah every little show you give

it it’s doing something so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: you can start with just very small

steps if you have trusted friends or family

[Maria T Finch]: member s start with them if you’re

ready to jump in with a therapist or

[Maria T Finch]: a coach go for it i think


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: therapist and coaches can be fabulously helpful

in all of this because really

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: it’s helpful is to have somebody on

the outside who can very gently say

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: oh are you aware that you just

said this a lot of is

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: reflection being reflected back and then understanding

like okay do i agree with that reflection

[Maria T Finch]: do i want that reflection to be

different gosh i didn’t realize that i thought

[Maria T Finch]: that why would i think that so

it begins begins you it starts you so

[Maria T Finch]: i can’t speak english now

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: it starts you on a path of

of self discovery and being

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: curious so why the funk do i

think this why am

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: i telling myself this gosh i don’t

want to tell myself this how do i

[Maria T Finch]: stop m

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Maria T Finch]: know if i answered your question i

just kind of started

[Nick McGowan]: you’re

[Maria T Finch]: going so bring me back if you

need to

[Nick McGowan]: totally you’re totally good i appreciate you’re

going with it

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: especially when you think of therapist you

think of coaches you think of you’re talking

[Nick McGowan]: to anybody the job of that other

person shouldn’t be to give you the answers

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Maria T Finch]: absolutely

[Nick McGowan]: they cannot

[Maria T Finch]: not no

[Nick McGowan]: i mean honestly at the cost of

exposing all of us as coaches we don’t

[Nick McGowan]: have the fucking magical answer we don’t

we know

[Maria T Finch]: h

[Nick McGowan]: that that’s in there and that honestly

it’s within that intuition but it’s helping people

[Nick McGowan]: be able to connect with with it

and asking the right questions that ill gear

[Nick McGowan]: people toward that but like you said

sometimes just the act of writing it out

[Nick McGowan]: i often tell clients and friends even

just mind dump just fucking

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: ship all over the paper with

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: all the words that are in your

head just get it all out and if

[Nick McGowan]: it doesn’t make sense that’s totally fine

but you might find a couple sentences in

[Nick McGowan]: it makes sense or you get to

something and even if you don’t it’s just

[Nick McGowan]: that act of doing it as you’re

talking about the there and even coaching i

[Nick McGowan]: think that’s kind of along the lines

of the mental gym in a sense where

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: people have had terrible trainers or they’re

like oh my god this guy kicked my

[Nick McGowan]: ass or he was terrible or he

played on his phone all day while we’re

[Nick McGowan]: at the gym or whatever some people

have really great ones that know how to

[Nick McGowan]: do it know how to work with

people it’s the same so it’s being able

[Nick McGowan]: to start that but for the people

that hear it they’ve heard it before and

[Nick McGowan]: they get it like i and understand

but you don’t understand the things that i’ve

[Nick McGowan]: been through and everybody thinks they have

their own unique situations how would you suggest

[Nick McGowan]: that some no matter what bullshit excuse

they give what’s the one thing that they

[Nick McGowan]: can do to actually start to help

them to be able to work through that

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: become more aware of it

[Maria T Finch]: i really think the best thing you

can do is start to ask yourself questions

[Maria T Finch]: so part of the in my mind

as a coach what i’m doing is asking

[Maria T Finch]: a lot of questions that are gentle

that are compassionate that are curious that are

[Maria T Finch]: safe

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: you know so it’s like i’m just

curious i’m not put any judgment on this

[Maria T Finch]: at

[Maria T Finch]: all but you can also do that

to yourself you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: so you might you might have a

piece of mind cluck saying like you’re never

[Maria T Finch]: going to funk and get this thing

done and then you can a okay well

[Maria T Finch]: why do i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Maria T Finch]: think that or ask yourself say why

do you think that and in my experience

[Maria T Finch]: you’ll get an answer

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: if you relax in your and you

just let it come to you you will

[Maria T Finch]: get an answer and it will be

the right answer and

[Maria T Finch]: often

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: that gets the boulder in motion and

then you start to go okay wait a

[Maria T Finch]: minute well now i want to unpack

like why do

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Maria T Finch]: i have this other thought and why

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: am i feeling dissatisfied at work at

home in a relationship where i live you

[Maria T Finch]: know whatever runs the game then you

can start to question those things and if

[Maria T Finch]: you do it in a in a

kind and compassionate way instead of a judgy

[Maria T Finch]: way it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: opens you up to connecting with your

own it’s self that’s what i believe

[Nick McGowan]: yeah i love that i know i’m

going to say probably everybody would agree with

[Nick McGowan]: this that most of the stuff that

we talk to ourselves about are typically negative

[Nick McGowan]: things

[Maria T Finch]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: if we follow the preto principle at


[Maria T Finch]: yeah yeah

[Nick McGowan]: eighty percent of its bullshit on us

and twenty percent might be like well you

[Nick McGowan]: didn’t die so okay cool and instead

of having things that are just automatically praising

[Nick McGowan]: you because that mind cluck that just

keeps running around and doing things but being

[Nick McGowan]: able to break through that and actually

step into things what are you doing on

[Nick McGowan]: the daily to be able to do

that you journal it’s a lie what do

[Nick McGowan]: you have certain systems or processes that

you go through

[Maria T Finch]: i do a lot of different things

so i like to have what i call

[Maria T Finch]: zen activities when i am doing is

an activity i let my mind be open

[Maria T Finch]: and often i solve things when i’m

doing that so for me

[Maria T Finch]: this drives a lot

[Maria T Finch]: of people crazy but one of my

zon activities is cleaning and so like i

[Maria T Finch]: find cleaning very relaxing because i love

having it clean house so i like the

[Maria T Finch]: result but i also just

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: find that like while i’m vacuming i’m

doing whatever my brain is just open and

[Maria T Finch]: i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: usually go into mind club in that

time instead it’s like i can just drift

[Maria T Finch]: a bit and i’ll often just get

a solution happens to me when i take

[Maria T Finch]: walks sometimes i write i mean i

actually love to write if in a particular

[Maria T Finch]: stretch of mind clock where i’m just

fucking sick of it and i’m like oh

[Maria T Finch]: my god

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: if my brain does not shut up

i am you know i am like i

[Maria T Finch]: want to blow head up then it’s

like okay

[Maria T Finch]: write it down so then i just

start writing and i’ve done this enough now

[Maria T Finch]: that just by the act of writing

it brings in my self and then right

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: away so i’ll start out with mind

clock i’ll be writing down mine click and

[Maria T Finch]: then i’ll be writing down

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Maria T Finch]: the solutions to mine luck and then


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: like oh look at that it was

[Nick McGowan]: thank

[Maria T Finch]: in there

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Maria T Finch]: a long

[Nick McGowan]: yeah man and isn’t that so interesting

how your you’re wise or the intuition isn’t

[Nick McGowan]: going to give you a bunch of

random fucking words it’s typical

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: a sint

[Maria T Finch]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: one word maybe a couple to get

the point across

[Maria T Finch]: yeah it’s very direct

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Maria T Finch]: another exercise that i do and i

do this i do this pretty much every

[Maria T Finch]: day

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: sometimes multiple times a day this is

one that can be a little harder for

[Maria T Finch]: people to conceive

 m m

[Maria T Finch]: so what i do is you picture

the so you want to go outside it’s

[Maria T Finch]: easier to do this outside so picture

the globe you know so here’s the globe

[Maria T Finch]: in north america is on the side

of the globe and you’re well and

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: wherever anyone is on the world in

the world so you’re in australia or in

[Maria T Finch]: great britain wherever you are so you’re

picturing where you are on the globe and

[Maria T Finch]: think about it you know in terms

of north south east west and if you

[Maria T Finch]: don’t know

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Maria T Finch]: it doesn’t matter just make it up

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: so what i do is i go


[Nick McGowan]: right

[Maria T Finch]: and i look

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: up and then then you start to

see the magic the magic is all floating

[Maria T Finch]: on this giant rock in space and

were held in place

[Maria T Finch]: by gravity and then you look at

the trees and you go those are held

[Maria T Finch]: in place by gravity too coolest thing

is to look at water like look at

[Maria T Finch]: a river of the ocean and be

like that’s only

[Maria T Finch]: there because of gravity if there wasn’t

gravity that would


[Maria T Finch]: be out in the space then

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: look at the sky especially when you

have a blue

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: sky and you look up and then


[Nick McGowan]: a

[Maria T Finch]: you’re floating in space and so what

i find is when i do that so

[Maria T Finch]: i’m picturing the globe and buildings and

people and trees and whatever it’s all just

[Maria T Finch]: like a little layer of hair almost

hair on the globe on the globe things

[Maria T Finch]: sticking

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: up when you when you feel the

magnificence of that it makes any little thing

[Maria T Finch]: you’re worried about just seem silly because


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: like look at i’m on this giant

rock floating in space like how fascinating is

[Maria T Finch]: that

[Nick McGowan]: um

[Maria T Finch]: and i know that’s

[Maria T Finch]: very out there but what it does

for me is that science is mine clock

[Maria T Finch]: because it’s like okay i’m floating on

a rock in space isn’t that fascinating

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: and

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Maria T Finch]: you’re

[Nick McGowan]: interesting

[Maria T Finch]: looking

[Nick McGowan]: how

[Maria T Finch]: at me

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Maria T Finch]: like yeah that’s nuts but

[Nick McGowan]: no not at all i agree with

it i find it interesting how people look

[Nick McGowan]: at things and will gravitate things that

make sense for them because everybody needs to

[Nick McGowan]: pull something ack to their grounding where

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: they go where can where can i

feel like even with that you’re kind of

[Nick McGowan]: up in the air but you’re still

grounded by it because

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you understand i am right here in

this moment in time

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and i do feel a lot of

people allow their energy to just be sucked

[Nick McGowan]: out of them and sponged out even

where they don’t have things coming back to

[Nick McGowan]: them it’s just all going out and

going out and they don’t ever pull themselves

[Nick McGowan]: back you know i have something similar

not where i go out and i kind

[Nick McGowan]: of think we’re on this rock and

we’re floating around and all of that

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: but i pull my energy back to

me and i joke about it because what


[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: what makes it real for me is

like the inner x and of like being

[Nick McGowan]: a super hero and just pulling it

all back and literally grabbing at the energy

[Nick McGowan]: and pulling it back to you

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but it’s still a grounding mechanism

[Maria T Finch]: it is

[Nick McGowan]: where we all want to be able

to get grounded to go i’m here right

[Nick McGowan]: now what’s happening and sometimes it might

even just take us saying be here right

[Nick McGowan]: now just

[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: being in the moment to be able

to do it so i appreciate that you

[Nick McGowan]: look out and step out to be

able to have that kind of relativism to

[Nick McGowan]: understand all things are relative but i’m

here right now going through this and that’s

[Nick McGowan]: not it is out of this world

kind of is

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but it’s not and i don’t mean

to throw the dad jokes in here but

[Maria T Finch]: it’s fine

[Nick McGowan]: there they are

[Maria T Finch]: m

[Nick McGowan]: um i do appreciate that now going

through like you had mentioned what your zen

[Nick McGowan]: activities i think that’s a kind of

a sleeper agent that most people don’t realize

[Nick McGowan]: they naturally do i think a

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: lot of people will do things like

that some people it’s the dishes

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: or sitting out on their back porch

or playing with their kids even or whatever

[Nick McGowan]: that looks like and we don’t realize

what that actually is and again it kind

[Nick McGowan]: of gets back to awareness if you


[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: understand what you’re doing you can do

something with it

[Maria T Finch]: well the other thing that’s really important

i think is that in our society

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: there’s such a drive to be busy

every fucking minute of the day and

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: i say don’t i say sit and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: stare you know or clean and stare

or whatever but you got

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: to give yourself those

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: breaks so that you can actually tune

in and be like how do i really

[Maria T Finch]: feel today you know do i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: like do i feel connected am i

does some part of me need some work

[Maria T Finch]: you know some help in is there

some concern i have that i need to

[Maria T Finch]: soothe

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: um

[Maria T Finch]: am i just driving forward all the

time without even paying attention to the fact

[Maria T Finch]: that

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: maybe i’m exhausted or i’m hungry or

i’m thirsty or i’m upset about what somebody

[Maria T Finch]: said or whatever and it’s like if

you take the time to step back and

[Maria T Finch]: really pay attention to that that’s also

part of

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: tune in and the more

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Maria T Finch]: you tune in the easier it becomes

to tune in

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: and then the more tuned in you

are the more that like you said before

[Maria T Finch]: the level three your level eight and

the level three problem you’re yeah whatever you

[Maria T Finch]: know moving on

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: and i think like that’s that’s the

beauty of it is getting to where something

[Maria T Finch]: that might have really just like fucked

up your day now you’re just kind of

[Maria T Finch]: like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: that’s annoying

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: and you go on

[Nick McGowan]: yeah and to be aware of that

like you said earlier have grace with yourself

[Nick McGowan]: we’ve got to be

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: able to accept those little wins because

a little win right now may be a

[Nick McGowan]: huge win for you know five years

ago ten years ago or even six months

[Nick McGowan]: ago so being

[Maria T Finch]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: able to accept those little winds is


[Maria T Finch]: yeah and just being able

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: to appreciate i think

[Nick McGowan]: right a

[Maria T Finch]: i think like any time so for

example see that you have see you have

[Maria T Finch]: a challenging conversation with somebody and you’re

really upset about it and but then you

[Maria T Finch]: figure out you know so you figure

out like okay they said this and that

[Maria T Finch]: made me feel insecure because but i’m

not you know i know that don’t need

[Maria T Finch]: to feel insecure that way and then

the next time you see them they do

[Maria T Finch]: the same thing and you just go


[Nick McGowan]: right

[Maria T Finch]: okay and it’s just

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: like a non event like that

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: is those

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: when when things convert into non events

like that is totally cause for celebration and

[Maria T Finch]: like you’re saying it might seem really

small in the moment but it’s huge

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah and being aware of that

you know

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: and compounding on those you know you

got to love

[Maria T Finch]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: yourself and being able to work through

[Maria T Finch]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: the toughness that yourself will put you

through and then being able to

[Maria T Finch]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: actually get that out and talk to

people about it we’ve gone through a lot

[Nick McGowan]: of stuff so far even in this

episode and i feel like we could probably

[Nick McGowan]: talk for another couple of hours

[Maria T Finch]: oh i’m sure

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Maria T Finch]: we could

[Nick McGowan]: before we wrap this thing up what

one piece of advice you’d give somebody on

[Nick McGowan]: their path towards self mastery

[Maria T Finch]: remember that any belief that you have

about yourself can be changed this is about

[Maria T Finch]: the neural plasticity of the mind and

that is

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Maria T Finch]: a beautiful beautiful thing so for example

if you think i well i can’t think

[Maria T Finch]: of a good exampl but you think

i can’t do x or i’m not good

[Maria T Finch]: enough for why you don’t have to

spend your life thinking that you can change

[Maria T Finch]: that and you will change your reality

and that’s hundred percent possible and just having

[Maria T Finch]: the hope of knowing you can change

something so something that makes you feel like

[Maria T Finch]: crap right now a thought that makes

you feel terrible right now you have the

[Maria T Finch]: ability change that thought and to feel


[Nick McGowan]: it’s awesome yeah you have the power

audience you have it it’s there even if

[Nick McGowan]: you don’t fucking think you have it

we are telling you don’t listen to yourself

[Nick McGowan]: in this case listen

[Maria T Finch]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: to us we’re telling you you have

it it’s there just jump it it and

[Nick McGowan]: if you need people to talk to

reach out to either one of us we’re

[Nick McGowan]: here to be able to help

[Maria T Finch]: absolutely

[Nick McGowan]: and maria i appreciate you being on

with us where can people find you where

[Nick McGowan]: can they connect with you

[Maria T Finch]: okay so go to silence the

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Maria T Finch]: mind cluck dot com that’s my website

you can also just do mind cluck dot

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: com and book free discovery

[Nick McGowan]: yeah oh

[Maria T Finch]: session with me and if you mind

cluck happening right now and you’d like to

[Maria T Finch]: figure out what kind go to what

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Maria T Finch]: the cluck quiz dot com and you

can take a

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Maria T Finch]: quiz and find out what mind cluck

loud and get solutions

[Nick McGowan]: that’s awesome again maria thank you so

much for being on the show today appreciate

[Nick McGowan]: your time

[Maria T Finch]: thank you so much for having me

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