Episode summary: Pat Di Domenico felt like his life was like a yo-yo. There were a lot of ups and a lot of downs. He masked the problems in different ways – working all the time, taking anti-depressants, and eating fast food. All forms of masking was hurting his health and his relationships.
His job was taking away time from his wife and kids, antidepressants just made him feel like he was managing his life instead of having control, and fast food was risking his health.
Fortunately, one of his friends gifted him a ticket to a Tonny Robins event, which absolutely changed Pat’s life.
He was able to recognize what he was doing and why he masking his emotions. He was also able to take time to reflect on how he can change his behavior and fix the situations he’s in.
Guest Name & Bio: Pat Di Domenico, founder of Resilient Dad is someone who one day found himself in his worse possible nightmare.
Growing up, he continuously focused on never, ever wanting my own kids to ever experience his journey as a child, witnessing his parents having a toxic, volatile, and dysfunctional relationship after separation. He then found myself not being able to believe, that he recreated the pattern that he so badly didn’t want.
When he was challenged with finding himself becoming a single dad and having to navigate through social parenting issues and struggling to understand the complexity of the family legal system, he felt so confused and alone like he had nowhere to turn. He had to fight just to see his son and, in the process, learned a lot that he can share with others.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Hey Pat welcome to the show man how are you doing [Pat DiDomenico]: I’m great thanks nick here you going [Nick McGowan]: yeah I’m good it’s funny when we first jumped on here before we hit record [Nick McGowan]: we’re just shooting te breeze talking about the episode no i’d asked if you were [Nick McGowan]: drinking coffee because you told me it was four thirty in the morning so man [Nick McGowan]: i appreciate you getting up and having as much energy as you do i’d basically [Nick McGowan]: be dragging my ass around for fifteen minutes at least [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: at four thirty in the morning and here i am twelve hours apart from you [Nick McGowan]: but man thank you for jumping on being awesome i’m excited to get into the [Nick McGowan]: stuff that we’re going to get into today so you give us a little bit [Nick McGowan]: of context tell us who you are what you do for living and one thing [Nick McGowan]: that most people know now about you that’s maybe a little odd or bizarre [Pat DiDomenico]: so so i reside in perth australia the times are different [Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: and [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: previously i was in the construction and property business industry for the last twenty years [Pat DiDomenico]: but in the last year i’ve shifted so i started to learn to trade these [Pat DiDomenico]: strange stock market initially and then [Pat DiDomenico]: from there i got into a i guess a mission that i felt sort of [Pat DiDomenico]: pulled towards which was to help single dad something that i’ve experienced myself um and [Pat DiDomenico]: also from the perspective of a child as well um [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and something interesting about myself so the only one time that i’ve ever been to [Pat DiDomenico]: the snow was in austria and thatwas actually a surprise trip for my birthday
[Pat DiDomenico]: so we went from florence train overnightto austria and so i woke up in
[Pat DiDomenico]: the snow and i was like acool no worries no one’s there at all
[Pat DiDomenico]: um in the town i thought thisis a bit
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: bit strange so go to the wego to the sort of the ski shop
[Pat DiDomenico]: that’s not open either like this isinteresting so we we get on the bus
[Pat DiDomenico]: to go to the to the wherethe snow is n’t everyone’s there so we
[Pat DiDomenico]: found out there was the austrian nationalholiday so seeing
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: these little kids at age of likesix going and the mountain with no no
[Pat DiDomenico]: sticks and i can [Nick McGowan]: oh man [Pat DiDomenico]: that’s pretty interesting and so i’ve neverexperience the snow
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: or sky or anything like before andi was adamant that i didn’t want to
[Pat DiDomenico]: ski wanted to snow board and [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: so for the majority of the firstday because there wasn’t enough time to organize
[Pat DiDomenico]: a lesson i was pretty much eatingsnow and
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: we went in at [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: lunch time [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: for for a bit of it ican i took off my jacket and i
[Pat DiDomenico]: was absolutely drenched where everyone else wascompletely bone dry so
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: that’s that’s one [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: of the stories that [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: i haven’t really shared too often butyeah
[Nick McGowan]: that’s interesting yeah kind of wonder howyou’d get into some of that stuff like
[Nick McGowan]: that’s not like a random thing whereyou’re like hey nice to meet you pet
[Nick McGowan]: by the way when i was littlethis thing happened like what okay i guess
[Nick McGowan]: it’s [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: only you know ship like this wheresome random bearded dude’s like hey tell me
[Nick McGowan]: the weird thing about you [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but what a hell of a storyman i mean even just so the people
[Nick McGowan]: here in the states that’s not typicallywhere somebody like yeah i first experienced now
[Nick McGowan]: in austria oh [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: that’s pretty awesome [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: typically they’re like yeah it was somewherein jersey that started to snow and it
[Nick McGowan]: looked dirty [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: or you know something like that it’sfunny as somebody who’s in florida i a
[Nick McGowan]: reciate that i don’t have snow downhere but
[Pat DiDomenico]: ah [Nick McGowan]: it is cool to be able togo see it every so often
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and that’s just an interesting thing doyou guys are there any parts of australia
[Nick McGowan]: that get any sort of any sortof snow
[Pat DiDomenico]: yea more towards the east side ofaustralia where
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Pat DiDomenico]: i’m originally from like melon or sorryin victoria there’s parts you know you got
[Pat DiDomenico]: to travel out probably three hours fromthe city and
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: a late [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: in the blue mountains near in sydneynew south wales but they’re pretty much that’s
[Pat DiDomenico]: the two locations where you [Nick McGowan]: ye [Pat DiDomenico]: get no oththan that the closest countrywould be easy and that people venture to
[Nick McGowan]: my [Pat DiDomenico]: but yeah snow snow for us isnot a common appearance so if we get
[Pat DiDomenico]: a bit of hay or that’s likekind of snow for us
[Nick McGowan]: sure that’s more like [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: destructive snow [Pat DiDomenico]: oh [Nick McGowan]: like ship my car wind shields aregoing to be busted out snow
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah yeah [Nick McGowan]: that’s [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: funny man so that that is alittle interesting but let’s get into let’s get
[Nick McGowan]: into the reason why you’re here talk [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: about the resilient dad thing so itlooked like there was some stuff that you
[Nick McGowan]: just went through some turmoil kind ofgrowing up but then found yourself in a
[Nick McGowan]: similar spot that you didn’t want tobe so so
[Pat DiDomenico]: yep [Nick McGowan]: you start us off from from whereyou want with the whole resilient dad story
[Pat DiDomenico]: so the journey obviously begins as sortof a child
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: going through that experience but one ofthe one of the things that i always
[Pat DiDomenico]: said that was i’m just going tomake sure that if it’s the only thing
[Pat DiDomenico]: i ever do i’m never over goingto have my children in the same situation
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: and now re created the pattern unfortunatelymy first son his mother and i were
[Pat DiDomenico]: just separated prior to finding that hewas but she was pregnant and
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: i thought it was the right thingto do to try and stick around and
[Pat DiDomenico]: support through the sort of initial stagesbut with something like that there’s a lot
[Pat DiDomenico]: of emotions and and so forth and [Nick McGowan]: sure [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah unfortunately the coparenting experience wasn’t thegreat and
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: spending four odd years in family courtyou know my son’s only turning six next
[Pat DiDomenico]: month so it’s [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: pretty much the majority of his life [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: and so through that experience of goingthrough those challenges that my sort of my
[Pat DiDomenico]: health and my life was pretty muchlike a just constantly and up and down
[Pat DiDomenico]: to the point where you know icouldn’t manage without antdepressence it was like
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: it was like [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: necessity it was like pretty much likeair for me if if i didn’t have
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: my tablets it was like i’d freakout
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: so you know that that was akind of state that i sort of got
[Pat DiDomenico]: into and then yeah it took forme to sort of get away from my
[Pat DiDomenico]: situation and saying that you know whati’ve had enough i can’t continue like this
[Pat DiDomenico]: because i’ve got three young boys andi need a i need to step up
[Pat DiDomenico]: and become the dad that i wantedand
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: the role model for them [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: so yeah i guess [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: i reached my threshold and [Nick McGowan]: m yeah yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: that was kind of my turning point [Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s got to be tough asas a kid yourself being like funk
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i don’t want any of this idon’t want any part of this and
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: in fact when i get older andhave children i’m not going to do this
[Nick McGowan]: and then find yourself being like fucki’m doing this this is how this thing
[Nick McGowan]: worked out [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i had a similar situation my momand dad honestly i think they still i
[Nick McGowan]: say they probably fucking hate each other [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: which sucks because there are times wherei try to put them into different like
[Nick McGowan]: the same room and be able totalk because look i’m a grown as fucking
[Nick McGowan]: an at this point we should eable to talk
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: about things but there are still stuffthat they had gone through that was trauma
[Nick McGowan]: for them [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: that was also trauma for me andi’ve kind of said the same thing now
[Nick McGowan]: i don’t have any kids at leastyet i’d like to have kids at some
[Nick McGowan]: point but honestly dude i’ve said thesame ship where i’m like i don’t ever
[Nick McGowan]: want to go through this i wantto do this different so when you found
[Nick McGowan]: yourself in that spot then it soundedlike the antidedpressence and like needing your pills
[Nick McGowan]: was a thing where you were likeoh shit
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i feel like i need this stuffto do this was that he was that
[Nick McGowan]: the like breaking or the waking pointor was there something else that happened that
[Nick McGowan]: kind of slapped in the mouth andyou’re like oh i need to do somethin
[Nick McGowan]: different yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: the other [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: major sort of impact that going throughthat experience had was had a habit of
[Pat DiDomenico]: i be constantly eating not good eating [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: for macon for breakfast [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: i think you guys [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: call it burking the states for lunchcase for dinner and it and have a
[Pat DiDomenico]: second dose somewhere during [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: the day and i went from likea hundred and seven kilos to
[Nick McGowan]: right [Pat DiDomenico]: hndredandthirty seven kills within months so thirtykillers which i
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: believe is like something close to t [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: sixty pounds for you guys [Nick McGowan]: two [Pat DiDomenico]: and i could reach that threshold in [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and snap snap it back where icould drop twenty kilos in ten weeks
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: got to the point where it wasaffecting like i’d have high constant high blood
[Pat DiDomenico]: pressure developed [Nick McGowan]: sure [Pat DiDomenico]: like sleep ape and that’s where itwas kind of like okay if i actually
[Pat DiDomenico]: do something forget about potentially may [Nick McGowan]: a [Pat DiDomenico]: not being able to cope through thesituation health is going to take me
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: so that was kind of one ofthe other the factors of
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: having those getting into that that patternof all those destructive patterns um where
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: i thought in the interim the greatcoping mechanisms
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: but that’s it [Nick McGowan]: sure [Pat DiDomenico]: they’re very [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: short and [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: yeast [Nick McGowan]: just like macdonald and most of thatship is a great idea until afterwards and
[Nick McGowan]: you’re like oh fuck no i shouldn’t [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: have done that at all but were [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you using that to just i’m lookingfor the best way to put this but
[Nick McGowan]: i think the easiest way is basicallyhappy a little dope i mean hit of
[Nick McGowan]: like i know i can [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: get consistent ship from this and itwill make
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: me sort of happy um after youwent through that did you find yourself being
[Nick McGowan]: able to actually process through the stuffthat was not making you happy or was
[Nick McGowan]: it just more difficult for you towork your way through that addiction to then
[Nick McGowan]: work your way to act the actualproblem is
[Pat DiDomenico]: was actually moving [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: into state and [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: moving away from you know the industrythat i was in because you know i’d
[Pat DiDomenico]: pretty much start my day five o’clock [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: in the morning because we started atseven o clock in the morning sort of
[Pat DiDomenico]: inside and i wouldn’t see my wife [Nick McGowan]: cooked [Pat DiDomenico]: and my kids [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: i wouldn’t see my kids when wheni come
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: home i’ve barely seen my wife andthat
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: for the last sort of four yearsi
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: was kind of that was it likei work my eyes off get through this
[Pat DiDomenico]: dealing with all the other stuff thenbeing able to shift and sort of move
[Pat DiDomenico]: away from that environment and just sortof take a breath i was
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: actually able to analyze some of mypatterns and it was funny i was going
[Pat DiDomenico]: through some photos because we been unpackingand so forth and i’ve seen
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: photos of [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: as a baby and one of themwere it was my grandmother
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: and i and she was [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: she was feeding me so and allthe closest people
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: that i had my life with mygrandparents because my mother and my father had
[Pat DiDomenico]: me quite young so my mother wasa couple of months shy of eighteen and
[Pat DiDomenico]: my dad was twenty [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: one so i’d spend a lot oftime in my grandparents and that was one
[Pat DiDomenico]: of the ways that they showed lovewhich was through food and then
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: i realized this is this is howam i’m seeking that
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: love and connection through food because that’ssomething that has been
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: sort of granted me as a childfood is a place of love and family
[Pat DiDomenico]: and all that so it was havingthat time
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: way to be able to realize aspatterns and then they see the they’re pattern
[Pat DiDomenico]: is not actually serving me and it’snot actually helping me and what are the
[Pat DiDomenico]: things that i can [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: actually do to replace those patterns ithink it’s great to get rid of the
[Pat DiDomenico]: pattern but if we don’t replace itwith something else
[Nick McGowan]: it’s coming back [Pat DiDomenico]: easily go back to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah i was fortunate enough that duringthe move the other side of australia i
[Pat DiDomenico]: was giving a gift from a friendto a event tony robins event
[Nick McGowan]: nice [Pat DiDomenico]: called up w and [Nick McGowan]: yep [Pat DiDomenico]: and it was literally one of thebest four days it’s completely different environment to
[Pat DiDomenico]: what i was used to and somesort of insights into myself really helped me
[Pat DiDomenico]: to start formulating sort of an underending of why i was doing certain things
[Pat DiDomenico]: as well as being able to seewhat is it that i actually want because
[Pat DiDomenico]: focus so much are we don’t wantwe completely forget about what we want why
[Pat DiDomenico]: we want to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah and that really sort of helped [Nick McGowan]: i’m sure that ten day challenge whereyou can’t eat anything with a face at
[Nick McGowan]: the end of p w i’m surethat help with the whole nutrition thing
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah as pretty much the start ofthe cafinyouknow
[Nick McGowan]: yeah it makes sense all right cool [Pat DiDomenico]: so that’s where it started [Nick McGowan]: i’ve [Pat DiDomenico]: yet [Nick McGowan]: done up w a couple of times [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and i know that can be oneof those shockers in a sense that can
[Nick McGowan]: shock you out of the system thatyou’re in but
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: it’s it’s inter think the ship thatyou went through when you were a little
[Nick McGowan]: kid to now being in the spotwhere you need to kind of fix yourself
[Nick McGowan]: and get yourself out of that spoti would imagine that’s got to be pretty
[Nick McGowan]: difficult being in the industry that you’rein having to work with different guys that
[Nick McGowan]: are in i don’t mean this inany derogatory way at all but their grunts
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: some of them are just grunts andjust almost brutal to the point where the
[Nick McGowan]: they allow [Pat DiDomenico]: oh [Nick McGowan]: for things to be able to openup and have conversation and if you’re around
[Nick McGowan]: that [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: constantly and the same with the foodyou just keep putting the ship in your
[Nick McGowan]: system because it’s just easier to doit it’s like an easier review sort of
[Nick McGowan]: thing so [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: what was it that you found afterup w that helped you to be able
[Nick McGowan]: to kind of stick to that stuffoutside of like the whole adrenalin because we
[Nick McGowan]: get it whenever you go to anyconference you’re fucking excited you’re like yeah we’re
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: going to do this thing like thenyou come back
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and you’re like ship real world sohow did you go from that and be
[Nick McGowan]: able to continually grow from it [Pat DiDomenico]: so one of the biggest things thati started with was i was like you
[Pat DiDomenico]: know regardless of what happens during theday the mornings mine and this
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: is where i take take care ofmyself and created this morning sort of ritual
[Pat DiDomenico]: partin where [Nick McGowan]: ice [Pat DiDomenico]: you know start with for instance justa forty five minute walk so it’d be
[Pat DiDomenico]: like in the morning and odd justgo out there to be no one there
[Pat DiDomenico]: and that was perfect time for meto just get out there get some fresh
[Pat DiDomenico]: air move my body because one ofmy goals every day was i’m going to
[Pat DiDomenico]: get at least ten thousand steps ina day so that helped me sort of
[Pat DiDomenico]: on the you know half way prettymuch to my goal during that forty five
[Pat DiDomenico]: minute walk and then from [Nick McGowan]: is [Pat DiDomenico]: there i would you know listen tosome sort of educational or positive sort of
[Pat DiDomenico]: you know um recording during the walkso utilizing my time as efficiently as possible
[Pat DiDomenico]: and then [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: you know i do a fifteen minutesort of stretching work out exercise where i
[Pat DiDomenico]: look after sort of you now mybody in terms of alignment and so forth
[Pat DiDomenico]: because i used to be [Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: an addict pretty much going to theastiocaro or the mysteries because my back was
[Pat DiDomenico]: always an issue like it was aweekly occurrence where from that
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: i was able to pretty much youknow i need those the because i was
[Pat DiDomenico]: actually taking care of myself and theni finished up by jumping in the cold
[Pat DiDomenico]: shower for three minutes so every dayi get into full on as cold as
[Pat DiDomenico]: i can i get there in therefor three minutes and that pretty much just
[Pat DiDomenico]: shocks a body [Nick McGowan]: uh [Pat DiDomenico]: and wakes me up and i’ve actuallyi used it on the weekend where i
[Pat DiDomenico]: was kind of sort of in myhead for a little bit and i was
[Pat DiDomenico]: like okay there’s [Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: a pool there it’s winter i’m notgoing to get into she i’m going to
[Pat DiDomenico]: jump in the pool instead so ijumped in the ports freezing but as soon
[Pat DiDomenico]: as i got out of it iwas like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: so completely [Nick McGowan]: wake you up [Pat DiDomenico]: got out of yeah [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: it’s a lost [Nick McGowan]: an [Pat DiDomenico]: thing [Nick McGowan]: actual [Pat DiDomenico]: you’re worrying [Nick McGowan]: shock [Pat DiDomenico]: about [Nick McGowan]: to the system yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and yeah so creating that morning routinewhere it was okay it’s not time that
[Pat DiDomenico]: i could be spending with you knowmy family or my kids or anything
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: well sort of prior to everyone wakingup i’m taking care of of what of
[Pat DiDomenico]: myself every day and i think creatingthat helps me to to be able to
[Pat DiDomenico]: manage with whatever else was going tohappen during the day because i had already
[Pat DiDomenico]: taken care of myself and wasn’t necessarilyjust putting myself sort of last and trying
[Pat DiDomenico]: to [Nick McGowan]: sure [Pat DiDomenico]: deal with everything else leaving until atnight time and you know you pretty much
[Pat DiDomenico]: can’t be funked like at [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: night and yeah so i was likejust focused on morning routine and what are
[Pat DiDomenico]: the things that i can do todayto move the needle just a little bit
[Pat DiDomenico]: forward [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: prior was always about from zero toa hundred now yesterday
[Nick McGowan]: m uh [Pat DiDomenico]: it’s like [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: okay that hasn’t worked in the pastfor me so what’s actually sustainable so
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and that’s where slowly built additional habitson that have really sort of helped me
[Pat DiDomenico]: to change things around [Nick McGowan]: and that consistency especially in the morningwhen you when
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you think about the time that youhave be it if you’re at home by
[Nick McGowan]: yourself for you have kids around orwhatever you have that time to be able
[Nick McGowan]: t do whatever you want in themorning and i think it’s a fresh time
[Nick McGowan]: we’re not saturated with bullshit i meanhere you are super early in the morning
[Nick McGowan]: on this sort of call but there’s [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: there’s a lot that you can getinto on your own to be able to
[Nick McGowan]: work through kind of the unknown oflife before you get in
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and start figuring out again who youare as a person oh i got kids
[Nick McGowan]: oh i got a wife oh igot a job i got this i got
[Nick McGowan]: that i got this i got thatso having those se routines are huge i
[Nick McGowan]: actually had a guest on recently whowas talking about how it hit him and
[Nick McGowan]: he’s heard it different ways i’m sureyou know you kind of said it around
[Nick McGowan]: the same way but he’s heard thatyou know you you have to you have
[Nick McGowan]: to give self love and energy beforeyou do anything for your family your friends
[Nick McGowan]: or whatever he’s like i heard allthat bull ship before he’s like it wasn’t
[Nick McGowan]: until [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i actually sunk in and i gotit and was like oh my god
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i’m giving them like half or lessthan half if only i spend a little
[Nick McGowan]: bit of time in the morning theni can prep myself to be able to
[Nick McGowan]: do that now how [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: are you helping dad’s in that sortof way to be able to be better
[Nick McGowan]: dad’s before kind of ship hits thefan in a sense
[Pat DiDomenico]: so a friend of mine recently reachedout that we hadn’t spoken to each other
[Pat DiDomenico]: for ages so we used to coachkids basketball probably about ten
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: fifteen years ago [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: and he said look it’s i thinkwhat you’re doing is great you know going
[Pat DiDomenico]: through a similar situation and caught himup and said like you know let’s have
[Pat DiDomenico]: a chat in let’s let’s see youknow what’s been happening in i would listen
[Pat DiDomenico]: what someone else is connecting and listeningto what someone else
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: has to say and that’s that’s prettymuch one of the big things is allowing
[Pat DiDomenico]: people to be heard and then vingsort of asking questions i found it
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: extremely powerful even i used it tomyself like asked myself questions like okay what
[Pat DiDomenico]: part of this have i contributed tothis situation how may the other person be
[Pat DiDomenico]: feeling in this situation then amazing whenwe start to ask ourselves questions or whether
[Pat DiDomenico]: in terms of i’m asking questions toother people they pretty much we all have
[Pat DiDomenico]: the answers within us it’s not thatwe
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: need the answers it’s the answers therebut it’s just being able open up ourselves
[Pat DiDomenico]: or someone else that realization that theseare the these are you’ve pretty much got
[Pat DiDomenico]: the answers already here just guiding themto that because we get so stuck in
[Pat DiDomenico]: our heads that that [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: we completely have the inability to thinkclearly i guess you could say
[Nick McGowan]: hm it’s almost like we i thinkwe’re all pretty innately good at being able
[Nick McGowan]: to talk yourself in and out ofthings and therefore
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you talk yourself in circles and you’rejust spinning
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and spinning and spinning but being ableto talk somebody else i find that at
[Nick McGowan]: different times haven’t client calls or justconversations with friends they’ll talk through
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: things and they’ll say this is aproblem and then as they talk through and
[Nick McGowan]: you ask a couple of questions ata solid questions not like hey what’s your
[Nick McGowan]: favorite barbecue sauce but like an actualrelevant
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: question that can get to the pointthey’re like oh shit i think i figured
[Nick McGowan]: it out because you’re right we [Pat DiDomenico]: ah [Nick McGowan]: do have those answers that are inus but it actually takes us talking and
[Nick McGowan]: being able to get people to talknow do you find that a lot of
[Nick McGowan]: dad’s especially the ones you talk toand work with have a hard time act
[Nick McGowan]: being able to open up [Pat DiDomenico]: i think once you show vulnerability [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and that it’s okay to feel theway that you feel you know the emotions
[Pat DiDomenico]: are natural and even for instance likecrying might be one of the things i
[Pat DiDomenico]: like you know i [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: can’t cry because i’m a man andno that’s push like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: it’s a actually like for me it’shelped me process obviously through the moment and
[Pat DiDomenico]: i say [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: more as like okay i’m not goingto ignore what’s going on right now to
[Pat DiDomenico]: deal with the situation and the emotionsand everything because i’m not going to allow
[Pat DiDomenico]: it to have control over me andonce
[Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: i’m able to face it up ifeel like in terms i have actually i
[Pat DiDomenico]: empower myself to be able to dealwith the situation
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and i see that with with other [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: dads as well as soon as youshow that you know the vulnerability and they
[Pat DiDomenico]: feel connected because you know you’ve gonethrough the same experience
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: then they feel like they have permissionto be able to be vineland opening it
[Pat DiDomenico]: is honestly beautiful to see when they’reable to transition from that hatred
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: anger so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: okay the insights and an understanding andand being able to deal with their emotions
[Pat DiDomenico]: and have that self awareness of youknow being
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: able to catch themselves of of what’sgoing on when things happening and understanding that
[Pat DiDomenico]: like we’re all [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: human we’re not going to get everything [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: right [Nick McGowan]: yeah oh [Pat DiDomenico]: and once see that you dads areable to understand that and it’s like oh
[Pat DiDomenico]: okay [Nick McGowan]: sure [Pat DiDomenico]: i’m okay this is like this we’llget through this and things will be
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i have a suspicion that a lotof this ship of being a man and
[Nick McGowan]: what we [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: think is supposed to be manly isfrom trauma from previous generations that has just
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: been continually fucking past down where they’relike well my dad was a douche bag
[Nick McGowan]: and i don’t know why but i’mgoing to be a dick to you as
[Nick McGowan]: well kid and just keep passing thatstuff down now i think there are people
[Nick McGowan]: throughout the course of time that weren’tlike that but i think
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: as things change i’m seeing something evenhappening now some of it might be because
[Nick McGowan]: we have the amount of technology andamount of information that’s at our fingertips but
[Nick McGowan]: it seems to me like that’s startingto change people like yourself were like that
[Nick McGowan]: was bullshit back then and it’s bullshitnow and needs to stop but do you
[Nick McGowan]: think that we can actually make thatchange as as men to be able and
[Nick McGowan]: allow ourselves to be emotional and notnot in a sense be like alrightwell i
[Nick McGowan]: got to fucking put dirt on itget back in the game here
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah i definitely [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: believe that going through those experiences youbuild strength in us
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: and i think the more people thatshow that you know by able to deal
[Pat DiDomenico]: with things [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: is being strong and [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: having vulnerability to show your emotions andthat isn’t it’s not a weakness
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: and the more you know that mendecide to sort of be able to take
[Pat DiDomenico]: that stand that that isn’t a weaknessi think that helps other other men you
[Pat DiDomenico]: know whether it’s their children be [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: able to see that okay feel theway that you’re doing it’s be able to
[Pat DiDomenico]: have those emotions like i even [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: catch myself even with my three youngboys at times it’s like okay now stop
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: because i kind of see [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: myself [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: sometimes and it’s like i see youknow um maybe acting as maybe one of
[Pat DiDomenico]: my parents and it’s like okay nowstop take a breath they’re not generally get
[Pat DiDomenico]: down to my son’s level whoever whicheverson it is and i’ll just talk him
[Pat DiDomenico]: through it instead of being like [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: just stop it that’s it right overthere
[Nick McGowan]: because i said yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: this because just because i said it’slike now like
[Nick McGowan]: no [Pat DiDomenico]: if i don’t help [Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: them in terms of being able tocommunicate with them it’s like you know how
[Pat DiDomenico]: are they going to be able tocommunicate and deal with problems later in life
[Nick McGowan]: they’re not just straight up won’t beable to and especially
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: for you to be able to takethat on and know like all right i
[Nick McGowan]: shouldn’t do that those kids are seeingthat and there are times
[Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: where i find myself being aware typicallywhen i’m out driving like somebody will cut
[Nick McGowan]: me off for something like what thefuck and instantly i’ll hear my dad come
[Nick McGowan]: up i’m like man that was oneof those things you taught me to freak
[Nick McGowan]: out as a kid [Pat DiDomenico]: ah [Nick McGowan]: and you have to kind [Pat DiDomenico]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: of pull yourself back from it buthaving kids in the car when you’re like
[Nick McGowan]: i’m sorry child all right let’s dothis a little different that’s some deep level
[Nick McGowan]: of awareness man to be able todo that and it sounds like your morning
[Nick McGowan]: routines are probably helping with that becausethat gets
[Pat DiDomenico]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: you in the right sort of spotso outside of the morning routine what sort
[Nick McGowan]: of advice would you give to theaudience that’s listening for their path towards self
[Nick McGowan]: mass [Pat DiDomenico]: that anything is possible literally one ofthe
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: sayings that i heard through the tonyrobin’s world is that our past doesn’t determine
[Pat DiDomenico]: our future and we all have [Nick McGowan]: hm [Pat DiDomenico]: i to make make [Nick McGowan]: m [Pat DiDomenico]: change and it’s a matter of makingthat decision and action and commitment to what
[Pat DiDomenico]: you actually want [Nick McGowan]: i [Pat DiDomenico]: and focusing on that instead of whatyou don’t want and being able to set
[Pat DiDomenico]: a strategy and you know a routinein place and then you just slowly built
[Pat DiDomenico]: up on on [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: on each habit and eventually you knowyou’ll you’ll be in a completely different space
[Pat DiDomenico]: you know might take twelve months butthat transformation that you can make in twelve
[Pat DiDomenico]: months is incredible yeah [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: okay [Nick McGowan]: and if you’re goin to live anothertwelve months anyway why not just keep
[Pat DiDomenico]: here [Nick McGowan]: going [Pat DiDomenico]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: so man pat i appreciate you beingon where can people find you where can
[Nick McGowan]: they connect with you [Pat DiDomenico]: resin dad dot com our website wherewe upload our weekly
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Pat DiDomenico]: podcast episode as well as youwfacebook instagrama resume dad
[Nick McGowan]: perfect and is that the [Pat DiDomenico]: i [Nick McGowan]: plug for the podcast as well isor anything else you want at about the
[Nick McGowan]: podcast [Pat DiDomenico]: that’s it was just it’s pretty muchjust trying to
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: share my own experience which hich ihope that able help some dad because it’s
[Pat DiDomenico]: for me being able to had ihave been able a sort of listen to
[Pat DiDomenico]: someone else’s experience know that they wereable to get through
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: it would have made my journey alot easier so that’s pretty much the whole
[Pat DiDomenico]: purpose of the podcast to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Pat DiDomenico]: be able to hopefully give [Nick McGowan]: oh [Pat DiDomenico]: someone else the the insight that youknow they can get through this
[Nick McGowan]: that’s good stuff man keep up thegreat work everybody go check out the podcast
[Nick McGowan]: dad or not i don’t have anykids i’m going to so you should to
[Nick McGowan]: pat again it’s been a pleasure tohave you on man i appreciate it thank
[Nick McGowan]: you so much [Pat DiDomenico]: thank you very much for having uson your show