Episode summary: Ariel Goldenberg took a big leap by moving to America from Israel, wanting a better life.
After moving here, both he and his wife put every ounce of their being into getting their business up and running; meaning they cut social activities, friends, and hangouts.
They kept pushing forward for about 6 years until they felt like they could relax a little bit. Getting into the fitness industry, Ariel has learned a lot about how our mindsets can set the tone for failure or success, both in and out of the gym.
Trauma is usually what holds us back, and taking care of your health can help overcome that, as our mindsets and who we are, and what we believe can change as we learn to push ourselves forward.
Guest Name & Bio: Ariel Goldenberg is a health and fitness coach. He works mostly with men over 40.
He worked as a chef for a few years and then studied the science behind food and nutrition.
He is a big believer in the mind as our greatest tool to become better physically and mentally.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: welcome to the show how you doing man? [Ariel Goldenberg]: I’m doing well [Ariel Goldenberg]::thank you very much
[Nick McGowan]:yeah i’m great it’s good to catch up with you man so last year we were running a group together a men’s group and doing some awesome things and have loads of meetings and at one point i was like
[Nick McGowan]:you haven’t incredib story why the hell have i never invited you on the podcast and i think i instantly apologize you’re like that’s cool i don’t even think about it but here we are so thank you for being on the show
[Ariel Goldenberg]::absolutely very excited to be here and appreciate your invitation to
[Nick McGowan]:o
[Ariel Goldenberg]::be here
[Nick McGowan]:yeah absolutely well as the audience can hear you’re not from philadelphia like i am
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i am not now
[Nick McGowan]:a little further away so why don’t you give us a little bit context tell us who you are what you do for a live and give us what’s one thing that most people don’t know about you that’s maybe a little odd or bizarre
[Ariel Goldenberg]::well
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::my name is Ariel goldenburg i was born and raised in israel
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i am a health and wellness coach i i
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::work most mostly with men around the age of forty and fifty and
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::um and what people don’t know about me i mean right now they don’t know anything about me so
[Nick McGowan]:uh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i don’t know i don’t know really where to start i immigrate that here about seventeen years ago with my wife so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that was a very very one of the most dramatic events of my life absolutely
[Nick McGowan]:traveling with your wife
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah at the time
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::she wasn’t yeah well yes that too that too but but i didn’t
[Nick McGowan]:yeah m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i didn’t mean that
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::at the time she wasn’t my wife we were dating only for
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::two years when we were when we made the move she was very young and i was not as young but still young so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it was it
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::was quite an
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::adventure
[Nick McGowan]:so let’s just kind of get straight to it then
[Ariel Goldenberg]::hm
[Nick McGowan]:going from from israel to the u s you weren’t like a baby where some people were like look my parents just picked me up and weep magical got over here and i had no say in it it sounds like you had at least some saying that but why do you give us a little bit of context walk us through the story of like what did that look like to be able to get here and really how how you manage it inset through that
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yes i wasn’t i was actually thirty one i had a pretty
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know established whole life
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::back in israel i was working as a as a cook and a chef for for about eight nine years you know at the time and then i met my wife back then my girl
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::friend and it was right at the moment when things started to be very difficult in israel financially so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::uh in israel and today it’s much worse
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::actually if you’re not some part of the tech industry
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s very very hard to to make
[Nick McGowan]:at
[Ariel Goldenberg]::a living so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::uh for me
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::as a chef as much as you know it was
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::still as my passion it wasn’t it wasn’t sufficient for me and it was very it was very hard life or physically
[Nick McGowan]:my
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know at some point where when you when you’re working in a shaft like ten twelve years to twelve hour shift you know
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it puts a lot of tall on your knees and your back i met my wife and
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the idea was her actually she told me let’s let’s move to the united states and i thought that she was joking she was twenty
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::four years twenty four years old i thought that she was joking but it took me about five minutes to realize that no she’s not joking and
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know i back then i really have had trust issues with people but for some reason
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i believed her
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know she was serious
[Nick McGowan]:uh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so
[Nick McGowan]:uh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you
[Nick McGowan]:uh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::know we planned our trip about for
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::a few months and we made the move we started a business here and when we came here i think that for good five six years we were here marching full on immigrant mode
[Nick McGowan]:h
[Ariel Goldenberg]::what i mean by that is
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you just work non stop of on establishing your financial base basically here
[Nick McGowan]:m m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::keep keeping your head down
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::no social interactions no friends no family no no nothing basically for five six years just working on the business and uh and starting a life and starting a financial base and after you know time goes by and you kind of you start to allow yourself do other things but you know still today i think that we have
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::this kind of immigrant mentality where you you come to a new place basically with nothing actually with that we owed money
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and so you come here and you have this state of mind that
[Nick McGowan]:yeah yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you have to make it work you just have to
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::there’s no other choice you you burn your ships at the shore basically there’s no going back and it’s a very powerful state of mind because it kind of eating increases your chances of making it i mean i’m not
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::saying yet you have to be a million or anything like that but you’re making it like that so
[Nick McGowan]:it’s an interesting spice especially like when you think of burn the ships some people think like a almost drastically extreme version where they’re like have to cut off everything cut off all these relationships and all these things and all that but the fact that you were like alright we’re here and we have to make this thing happen because then if you go back you’re literally going backwards but did you think about it that way of like potentially going back and kind of going backwards in life or is it more a pressure of like if we’re here we might as well just do the damn thing and do it right
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i think it’s both i think it both i mean
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i realized pretty quickly after maybe two months here that going back would be going backward i mean it was
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::pretty clear that the potential of building better life here it’s real versus going back and you know israel is not a third world country it’s not like some place in africa were going back you know we’re not refugees we were not
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::in danger anything like that you know but still it was pretty clear that building a good life here is there’s a good chance of doing that and it would be much better than going back so
[Nick McGowan]:m yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so i think that i think that my wife kind of she had an the idea of coming here but i was more of the driving force behind staying here so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that’s how it worked out and you know
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that it’s more complicated because i mean you leave your family behind especially
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::specially when it comes to my wife there was a big long crisis between us and my wife’s family um so it was a huge sacrifice it was a huge sacrifice for both of us but i think that both of us knew even if we didn’t admit it back then to ourselves and to each other we we knew deep inside that this is what we should do in order to
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::turn our life around even personally not just not just for financial reasons
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::both of us are coming from not an easy background you know families you know other events you know in the army service in israel so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it was clear for both of us that it was a still
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::is a good move so yes
[Nick McGowan]:it’s interesting stuff man so you’ve hit on a couple of things already that
[Ariel Goldenberg]::hm
[Nick McGowan]:i want us to be able to take a kind of look back together and think about that moment couple moments but starting with the one where she had said hey let’s go to the u s and you’re like oh that’s cool you’re serious
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:and and then unpacking those pieces of how the rest of the journey look to be able to get here because you went from are you serious too i’ve got to do five or six hard years of really working to build this thing and what did that look like now from the perspective that you have being able to take
[Ariel Goldenberg]::m
[Nick McGowan]:the wisdom from it and go sit there were times where i mismanaged my mind set or i’m glad i did this specific thing so let’s break that down a little bit
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know i think that that well it would be a little bit of an exaggeration to say that we’re young and stupid so so
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::we didn’t think about what we were doing but on some level it is true we didn’t have a
[Nick McGowan]:sure
[Ariel Goldenberg]::plan we did have any plan
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so those five six years that i just
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::mentioned there
[Nick McGowan]:my
[Ariel Goldenberg]::was nothing that i thought about back then i didn’t know how long
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it will take i wasn’t aware of any of those stages and
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the process of establish and building a life here maybe it’s a good thing you know maybe
[Nick McGowan]:sure
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s a good thing it would be a huge obstacle if i had those things in my mind bags that we we were in a state
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::of mind that’s just try and see what happens
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know we had a very we had pretty good idea for a business and art business we started here um and we started the business it went well pretty quick and just kept going you know
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s with no no plan just kind of
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::on the go didn’t think so much about what we were doing and maybe it’s a good thing so
[Nick McGowan]:oh yeah i’m sure because if somebody said oh you want to do this well great it’s going to be a pain in the ass then when you get there you’re gonna have to put five probably six years into doing hard work and things you don’t want
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:to do at that point you like oh i know you were serious about this but no and most people i think for the most part most successful entrepreneur specifically talk about the craziness that had gone through their story and they’ve even
[Ariel Goldenberg]::m
[Nick McGowan]:admit like if somebody told me this is exactly what’s going to happen i don’t think i would have signed up for it because it sounds crazy but you learned so much stuff through it so looking back at that whole time now let’s even say this six years and a little before you moved what do you think you got from that wisdom wise that the audience would be able to take from that because like i said to you before we even hit record there are a lot of people that haven’t ever gone through that transition from one country to the next and there are more people that don’t have any idea what that would look like to even move from state to state so kind of working through that for anybody that’s thinking about moving and doing that big leap what sort of advice do you hae that
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i think that you know looking
[Nick McGowan]:a
[Ariel Goldenberg]::back where i think that
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that may be the most important thing is to have a very strong intention in your mind
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::about what you
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::want what you would like to achieve and when i say intention is just then the initial spark you don’t have to have a plan you
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::don’t have to know how you’re going to achieve whatever whatever it is you want to achieve but you have a to have a very strong intention and it’s it’s
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know it takes a lot
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::of trust and faith s you
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::need to believe that what you’re doing is is the right move and you need to have that type of conviction now i think that the problem today in the case of many people is they have too much choice it’s the luxury that is a blessing but it’s also a curse
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::when you don’t have when you don’t have too many choices there’s something relaxing about it there’s something that is kind of even
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::comforting about it because you know well i have one choice i have
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::to do that there’s there’s no other way so there’s something very kind of um you don’t have the luxury of the curse of looking you know to the side and
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so maybe maybe i do that or maybe i do that just have one path you have to walk on no matter what and you just keep walking on the same path very focused and if you do that i mean it’ll get you somewhere for sure so
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::um m
[Nick McGowan]:it’s a good point i know there are certain people that kind of manufacture that sort of thing as you’re
[Ariel Goldenberg]::exactly
[Nick McGowan]:talking about it what comes to mind is when h like i think of marksakerburg he’s probably the easiest one to point out where he kind of has an outfit for work where it’s basically the shirt and pants that he always wears constantly
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:i know i’ve kind of fallen into that wearing like look if i have a black shirt on and maybe shorts you know like i’m totally good and that’s about it and you remove those thoughts of like i don’t want to have to figure out what i’m going to wear every day and there’s a lot of people i have two since covid where they’re like now that i get to work from home there are certain things that i don’t have to think about because you don’t have to think about the trip
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:to the office you don’t have to think about what am i going to wear today did i do laundry it’s like gonna wear the same basketball shirts and i’ve got five different shirts that i wear or whatever that looks like so have you found yourself doing more of that where you kind of remove the different options and go i’ve got a or b and i’m going to pick and just and go with it
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know i try to do that as much as i can you talk about
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::clothing so so i see my clothing as uniforms i don’t i don’t spend too much time and energy in picking my clothes i just like you said
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i work right now it’s like hundred percent from from home and zoo meetings and text and email so
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::uh you know that’s completely out of the way i actually heard
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and interesting story about president boma at the time maybe it’s every president in unite said they don’t choose what what kind of suit that they’re aware
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::on a certain day they don’t choose what they’re going to eat because they have such a high level of decision fatigue anyway
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and crucial decisions like we’re not talking about so so they’re trying to
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::put all those trivial daily decisions aside just to create more space for the more important stuff and i think that that can can be applied to each and every one of us even if you’re not the presidential
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::m
[Nick McGowan]:most of the people that are listening
[Ariel Goldenberg]::h
[Nick McGowan]:to this aren’t the president maybe at some point they have aspirations to be or they’re like i can
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:do better than that guy um but that is an interesting thing to be able to kind of take those visions out and especially for all of us as we go throughout our day this this recording is in the beginning of the year so most people are thinking now like what do i need to change and do differently by the time this comes out it’s prob going to be april is something like that so people
[Ariel Goldenberg]::mhm
[Nick McGowan]:are well end of their year so as you’re now well into your year what sort of decisions are you pulling back on and making changes to that you go hey maybe i don’t need to think about that or get as in depth with that because i’ve found that people and you probably experience this too especially as a health coach where they get fascinated almost about this one stupid thing and you’re like it’s not stupid thing it’s the thing below that it’s the core principle of that thing
[Ariel Goldenberg]::mhm
[Nick McGowan]:so based on everything that you’ve learned and you’ve gone through and kind of along the same principle how does that interact with your business and your is
[Ariel Goldenberg]::well you know i like i like you said i’m a health and welness coach and we’re
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::recording this in beginning of january so everybody are in the midst of their new year’s resolution and
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i don’t know if you if you’re familiar with the statistics about new year’s resolutions but they tend to i think that’s about like seventy per cent of them are completely forgotten by the end of february
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so you’ll see these crazy
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::spike in g memberships the beginning of
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::january i see it in my gym right now it’s crazy what’s going
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::on
[Nick McGowan]:it’s still
[Ariel Goldenberg]::but
[Nick McGowan]:happening
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i know for yeah i know for sure that in a month and month and a half it’s going to go it’s going to go back to normal so what’s the problem
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::with why you know because people are like you said they’re focusing on on the by product they’re
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::not focusing on stuff that comes before that on the
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::base
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and and in debate is just acquiring this state of mind of almost acquiring an identity of someone who’s trying to achieve better life in my case better health better strength
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s not about your gym membership it’s not about losing
[Nick McGowan]:yah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::twenty pounds it’s
[Nick McGowan]:h
[Ariel Goldenberg]::not about you know lifting more weight at the chin it’s more about the basic um m change that you need to make with yourself and by you know applying a different identity it sounds extreme
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::but but that’s
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that’s how people succeed in this field
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and in anything else in their lives i think
[Nick McGowan]:so go ahead and take that a little further because the identity thing is a very interesting topic and for people to think you want me to change my identity that’s everything i am and i know that’s not what you’re saying because it’s it’s even deeper than that so unpacked that a little bit for us
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so i think you’re familiar with james clear
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the guy who wrote tomi habits
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and he
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::gives
[Nick McGowan]:it’s back
[Ariel Goldenberg]::a very
[Nick McGowan]:there
[Ariel Goldenberg]::good example so okay sorry he says
[Nick McGowan]:kay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::basically let’s say that someone tries to quit smoking and so you got two guys one says he’s being offered a cigarette and he says well i’m trying to quit the other guy says
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i’m
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::not a smoker
[Nick McGowan]:yep
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so that’s a huge difference i think and that can be applied to anything that you do in your life health and fitness is very you know very applied to health and fitness to and when you when you are ply this type of identity you can be consistent with what you’re doing um and you can be sure that obstacles are going to present themselves
[Nick McGowan]:ye
[Ariel Goldenberg]::on the path and difficulties and things that are going to go against you but if you apply this identity if you’re able to be more consistent and start over each and every time so
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::m so it’s really it’s really about applying the identity and changing your state of mind before anything else and it doesn’t matter if it happens at the end of december or
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::mid april
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::or or you know july it doesn’t matter so this
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::is why when it comes to the newest resolution i tend to kind of be you know take it with a huge grain of salt though
[Nick McGowan]:i agree it’s almost funny to me when people talk about new year’s resolutions because i’m like oh okay that’s where you’re at and other
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:people that talk about the goals that they have in the mental growth and what they’ve done that’s transferring over from one year to the next it just happens to be the start of a brand new year to me i realize that that person gets it or at least they’re on the path to get it and bringing up the atomic habits i love that story specifically because i was
[Ariel Goldenberg]::hm
[Nick McGowan]:a smoker for a handful of years and then at one point it just completely growsed me out i was like i’m done and there was a situation where i tied so much negativity to it that it was no longer a thing i wasn’t a smoker but that didn’t hit me you know it made sense to me but it hit me harder when i read that book i was like that makes total sense because of the identity
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:so working with your clients that overall health and wellness and kind of getting them the break that do you find that a lot of the stuff that you do is really just getting into the actual habits and the reasons behind those habits that ultimately just fix other problems out of that cly
[Ariel Goldenberg]::absolutely and and it takes some time to for people to let
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that information sink in because ou know most people they come to me because they want to lose fat
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and they want to get stronger
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and they want so they have very specific pinpoint goals i would say above the surface goals but
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::what i try to teach
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::them
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that if you want to create a sustainable long lasting change you have to go back and
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and first of
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::all identify the bad habits where they coming from why they’re coming from how long have you been carrying those habits so there’s there’s just so what you’re coming to me with you know those twenty pounds this is just the tip of
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the iceberg
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so we’re talking but we’re talking decades back like how did you grew up what environment
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::what was your dynamics with with your parents you know i’m not a therapist but there’s there’s a lot of overlapping between what i do and i dare say therapy it just cannot
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::be separated from from health and fitness it’s tightly relayed it
[Nick McGowan]:and i think most everything comes from some sort of childhood experience or childhood trauma
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:so i found myself at times having having issues eating and just like scarf ing down food because remember being a little kid and thinking i don’t know where the next meal is going to come from
[Ariel Goldenberg]::oh
[Nick McGowan]:or
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:being in a house with my brother and sister and be like i don’t know if i’m going to get any more because those two little monsters just keep eating everything
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:but it’s interesting how you go back from that sort of stuff so with the clients that you’re working with you do you find that there are certain times where people are like i don’t want that i want the quick fix and that’s all i want do you find more times than not that most people are they’re willing to do the work but maybe just a bit begrudging to start
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i think that most people get it
[Nick McGowan]:a
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i mean most people
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::even if they come with you know that specific quick fix they when i start explaining the higher goal
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and i make the connection between their health and fitness and you know the higher level of like what is your life
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::purpose what is the
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::what is the meaning of all this why do you want to why do you want to get leaner why do you want to get stronger and you make that connection people get it people understand
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that their health and fitness is not just about you know getting six pack and all of it which is by the way i’m not i don’t have anything it’s a nice by product to have but
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::when i talk to specially man and i say listen you want to be there for your family right you want to be there for your family as long as you can and with the best quality not just you know in wiltshire in so people can live to be ninety but okay what’s their quality of their life
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so i talked to them not just about
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::life span but also health span and and there’s a guy by the name of peter
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::a tea he’s a doctor and his life project is longevity um so he presents a very interesting concept which is if you want to kecastat eighting which i assume all of us won’t you you cannot afford to be average at fifty because there’s going
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::to be there is a natural decline in your strength and muscle mess and health in general that that is inevitable
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so you have to create this buffer right
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::between between that and and thirty years forward and so you have to so the messages basically start early just start as early as you can and even if you haven’t
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::start right now
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you just cannot afford
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::to be average
[Nick McGowan]:yeah that’s a that’s a tough pill for people to swallow
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i know
[Nick McGowan]:because i think for the most part a lot of people don’t think of themselves as average and if they do and their hey with being average then you’re fighting an uphill battle because they’re already like they’re done they’ve already given up at that point there are a lot of people that even if they talk a good game they still have a bunch of bullshit goes on in the head where they talk this negative experience about stuff and it’s hard for them to kind of break that stuff down so i appreciate that you bring that out of your clients almost right off the bat like we got to get into this stuff fore we get into the topical layer of the fat like we need to get deep
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:into that so how did you get to that point though because there are other coaches out there that are like i hope you and this is exactly what we do but they don’t go deeper than that and they might help that person carve out their body but in
[Ariel Goldenberg]::hm
[Nick McGowan]:four or five six months they’re back to flab city but how
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:do you how did you get to the point where you can actually talk about that what did your journey look like to that
[Ariel Goldenberg]::well you know i studied a lot
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and by studying i on’t i just i don’t just mean
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::academics like you know getting my my credentials and you know becoming a nutrition consulter and all of that i studied through experience you know
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i’m going to be fifty years old next april so i
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::experience first hand all those experiences that man my age are going
[Nick McGowan]:a
[Ariel Goldenberg]::through um and men life is life is short they say but life on a different level are very
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::long it’s a long
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::journey and you just you just learn
[Nick McGowan]:well
[Ariel Goldenberg]::on your body and on your mind by exploring your body and your mind you know what’s going on you know why when i’m going to side when i go through the gym are the benefits just just physical
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::what are what are the benefits on a time span of a week or a month or a year or a decade
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right so i just learned those
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::things from first hand experience and it seems to me that you just cannot separate the mental from the social from the physical from even the
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::spiritual right
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s all a continuum of one thing that all those elements are feeding each other and part of over whole
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you just cannot separate those things and if someone you know when i work with man it doesn’t doesn’t mean that that we cannot work on those quick fixed goals we
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::can do that but if you really want to if you really want to get healthy and strong
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::for the next decade we have to touch on those other
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::elements and levels that you
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::may not expect you know to do to touch on in the process
[Nick McGowan]:makes sense i mean it seems to me it’s almost like putting a bandage on it if you’re just looking for the quick fix you’re like well
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:here’s a bandage but it’s actually a gaping festering wound that you need to get into hard work on some people have a hard time with that not the audience that listens to this show so i’m sure they’re eating this all up and enjoying it are there a couple major moments that you can look back at on your life there’s sort of pivotal moments that shaped you to who you are now and some of these cor principles that you have
[Ariel Goldenberg]::well you know i was an athlete as a teen ager i was
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::a swimmer
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i was a competitive swimmer and my father really pushed my brother and me to to be competitive
[Nick McGowan]:for
[Ariel Goldenberg]::swimmer and pretty much my whole from the age of nine to the age of six and i was pretty much spending most of my time in swimming pool i had constant smell of chlorine on my body
[Nick McGowan]:uh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so and
[Nick McGowan]:uh yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so i think that when you
[Nick McGowan]:kay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::do something like that at such a young age there’s an imprint of that that
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::will carry you carry you for the rest of your life pivotal moment was when my father died my father died when he was fifty five
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::of a stroke so my father
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::was a smoker he
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::he was a drinker wasn’t healthy man ironically he didn’t know how to swim ironically enough just
[Nick McGowan]:but
[Ariel Goldenberg]::crazy
[Nick McGowan]:he forced you kids
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah and we were competitive swimmers so so when
[Nick McGowan]:eh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::he died he died at fifty five right of a stroke not a healthy person not mentally not physically and i wasn’t in contact with him five years before he died i was so angry at him that i just you
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::know i was traveling in south america when my mother notified me about what happened and i didn’t come to the funeral i was so angry so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so he died fifty five i’m fifty years old so as you can imagine that kind of stuck in my mind i have that side of my family that it’s a mystery to me probably not the great gens on earth know from
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::him so i huge part of my decision to go that route of nutrition and health and fitness and well ness in general was because of that i just make a decision that i’m not going to do the same thing i’m going to be different it’s like whatever
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::he was i decided to be the opposite so
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::um huge element of my ineryeverything i do today
[Nick McGowan]:yeah well i want to get into the the issue that you have with your pop and how there was a lot of anger and frustration there what did that look like and how are you how are you dealing with that now
[Ariel Goldenberg]::well it looked like my
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::relationship with my father was
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::based on fear basically
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so my and my coping mechanism back then was to kind of sneak and to hide as opposed to my brother who used to be much more confrontational and suffered much more because of that i choose a different way which was maybe a bit smarter to minimize
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the friction between my father but i don’t know if maybe there’s an experience as when your brother is suffering you’re suffering the same way
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::almost
[Nick McGowan]:totally
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know it
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::all happens in a very small apartment so it doesn’t really so m today as a father that’s again
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s a huge element in my life i can definitely see when i’m in the role of a father to my daughter sometimes i see my i see my father kind of
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::rises
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::in me kind of i see i can see the same
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i can experience the same type of anger and that that can be frightening but that’s part of my journey to to break the cycle i
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::made a decision and my wife
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::did the same and again
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::going back to our journey to her is to break the cycle of all the trauma and all the suffering
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and we’re not going to do the same mistakes with our daughter and
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i know that i fail from time to time
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::for sure
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::but i think we we have developed a level of awareness that that puts
[Nick McGowan]:at
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it puts us in a much better place than
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::our parents did and an necessary stage of all of this is forgive you know forgive your parents
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::understanding
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that this is where they were in terms of their level of awareness back then it took me a long time it took me a good twenty years you to realize that and to go through this process of forgiveness let go of the anger to the point where today i can i can have good thoughts about my father strangely enough you know but it’s
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s a great feeling you know it’s a great feeling and it’s such a necessary part of the process if you really want make your life better improve your life you have to you have to let go of that i think someone said some very smart person that i know said you cannot grow from place of victim
[Nick McGowan]:mhmm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::not going to work
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so yeah
[Nick McGowan]:and with the forgiveness it’s not always about the other person or for the other person it can be for you and should be in a lot of cases where you need to be able to forgive and that doesn’t allow that person to even enter back into your life if you don’t want them to no granted with your father he can but
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:at least physically but anybody else like you can forgive people in life and not be lenient with how they are what they are and not let them back in and i think to go along with the health and wellness it’s not just the forgiveness of that but it’s also the forgiveness of yourself think about when people are like all right i’m not going to eat sugar or i’m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::ah
[Nick McGowan]:not goin a do this and not going to do that m not going to smoke a cigarette and then they smoke a cigarette and they just go down that negative hill and then they compound on that and it sounds like you’ve i like that you hit on breaking the cycle because that seems like a key and core concept here of being able to be aware of it and then doing something about it and act ing upon that to actually break the cycle and you’re in the middle of literally doing that not only for your family but for your clients as well and in some ways you needed to go through that chaos and both to be able to be in this spot now
[Ariel Goldenberg]::absolutely
[Nick McGowan]:and it’s great that you can actually look back and have some at least pleasurable moments that you can think of with your dad because of that forgiveness instead of just seething and being hateful toward it but have you also forgiven yourself for not going to the funeral and not being there with your family has that been a part of that as well
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you know i forget myself about that
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i let it go i see forgiveness i understand
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::forgiveness today more like like more like letting go on a
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::spiritual level i believe that real forgiveness comes only from one place and it’s from above t’s
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::not up to us but the letting go part it’s so important and and what you said about breaking the cycle i just want to i
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::just want to make sure that people understand that breaking the cycle
[Nick McGowan]:a
[Ariel Goldenberg]::is not it’s not like a quick event that happens one day and
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you’re done
[Nick McGowan]:m yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::breaking cycle is a life project really
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it’s a life project it takes time and it’s an ongoing and you’re never you’re never really there there like
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it never really ends
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::getting out of the cycle it’s it’s an ongoing process that will carry me you know to the end of my life i think but i can safely say that i’m in a much much better place than i used to be that’s for sure
[Nick McGowan]:yeah that’s kind of the hope right you know even if from today to tomorrow you want to be in a better place or maybe differently said and you know in some circles better said how for they want to put it but not as bad as you were the day before
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:be it better or not as bad but it’s still that growth and it kind of goes back to the atomic habits book in a sense with that incremental growth that’s always been a thing that has really helped me kind of ground myself in a sense to be able to take
[Ariel Goldenberg]::hm
[Nick McGowan]:that incremental growth and go shut i’ve got three or four different lists of things and stuff and all this stuff and you know what if they all don’t get done the world is not going to end and if it does none of this ship matters
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:it’s beautiful so
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:being okay with those moments and
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:trusting in those moment so is there anything specifically that you want to get into about that that you get into with your clients that have helped them to kind of stay in those moments and
[Ariel Goldenberg]::ah
[Nick McGowan]:be present
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah you know i tell my clients
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that sometimes i’m
[Nick McGowan]:yes
[Ariel Goldenberg]::being asked not just by my clients but but
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::just you know people i appreciate our friends like what is the most important thing the
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::most important advice
[Nick McGowan]:ah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that you can
[Nick McGowan]:okay
[Ariel Goldenberg]::give to someone
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::who tries to make a change for the better in their health and fitness like what type of fitness plan what type of mill plan
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so i said look it’s forget all of that the most
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::important thing most the best plan you can have is one thing
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and one thing only it’s the plan that you can be consistent with
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that’s it it doesn’t matter if you go kit or pale or vigan or whatever and you do strength training or or interval training or yoga just just whatever you can be consistent with and i say that because people need
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::to realize that when they start this type of journey they’re going to fail and i said it to all my clients on the first day you are going to fail it’s like
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::what why am i hiring it
[Nick McGowan]:uh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::for you for saying
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::listen it’s it’s going to happen for sure hundred percent that you are going to feel it’s not a question if it’s going to happen it’s just a question when it’s goin to happen most
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::likely it’s going to happen sooner than later right it’s like i’m not i’m not trying to put you down i’m just trying to give you the reality so
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you can use it as a just and now you can relax now
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::just throw all your perfect perfectionism out
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the window you can relax you you are going to fail but the most important thing is that you’re going to start over every time you’re going
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::to feel you’re going to start over
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and what i found with with clients who have been seeing for
[Nick McGowan]:yah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::enough time is that when you’re fanning enough times in cumulate this experience of failing it just becomes easier and easier okay
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i failed again i start over fail again start
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::over but i’m consistent right i’m consistent
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::with with the process and it’s important to also know that when people fail they think i’m starting over from scratch now i have to go back to no you’re not starting from scratch
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::whatever you achieved up until that point where you failed is with you it’s yours you’re not losing that it just goes
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::like that so it’s not line i’m doing people may not see what i’m doing in my hand but the process
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::is not linear it’s not line you’re going two steps forward one step back you know five steps
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::forward seventeen steps back doesn’t matter
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::as long as
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the trend as long as the overall trend is progress
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::as long as the overall trend is going up and you have to do it enough time to realize that you can
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you cannot accumulate that type of experience if you do it only for one month and just just give up right
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so so consistency i would say it’s the one thing right the one thing is just consistency just
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::be on the path keep walking on the path whatever happens
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it
[Nick McGowan]:well
[Ariel Goldenberg]::o
[Nick McGowan]:you you clearly know the podcast and you’ve clearly listened to episodes because
[Ariel Goldenberg]::oh
[Nick McGowan]:the last question i always ask is what’s that one piece of advice
[Ariel Goldenberg]::uh
[Nick McGowan]:you give somebody on
[Ariel Goldenberg]::ah
[Nick McGowan]:their path towards self mastery and you’re like the one thing here it is and that’s it’s a beautiful thing to be able to point out because it
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:is that consistency and i think the take away that i get from that is it’s about the body of work
[Ariel Goldenberg]::exactly
[Nick McGowan]:it’s not the thing that you’re doing right now it’s how you piece those things together and how
[Ariel Goldenberg]::exactly
[Nick McGowan]:it all relates then yeah as
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i
[Nick McGowan]:you get older even like there are times where i talk to people in thirty eight then i talk to people that are twenty five and they’re like oh i didn’t think about it a way it’s like why i did because i got punched in the fucking mouth doing it the wrong way and i had to learn from it and you go from those things and you’re able to look back but it is the body of work is there anything else you want to add to that since you’ve already ended the
[Ariel Goldenberg]::no
[Nick McGowan]:question
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i think now i think the body of work is a great definition of
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::all of this and it really ties together with to what we said before
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::about identity because the body of
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::work creates
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the identity
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::if you’re on the path and you go to the g m for two years now with all the failures with all the obstacles that happened along the way if you do it for two three years you develop a body of work that your body does your body and mind do not forget
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you become an athlete
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you become that person that goes to the gym you don’t work out you don’t do that for those pounds that you want you become that person that goes to the gym
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and on days that you don’t you feel weird like
[Nick McGowan]:m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::i feel weird because it’s
[Nick McGowan]:ah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::part of who i am it’s part of my identity you know not going
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::to the gem for three days that feels weird i feel sick something is wrong with me so
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::so this is where becomes automatic you don’t have to push yourself
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::the next time you go to the gmyoureyou’re waiting for it you’re anticipating
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::going to the game or having a good meal and all of that so and that’s like where this is where it becomes like you’re an auto pilot basically
[Nick McGowan]:hm
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it doesn’t create and it doesn’t require any effort you’re just that person
[Nick McGowan]:that’s a good point an i think it also gets back to that’s just it’s part of you at that point so you don’t have to think about what i’m going to wear you
[Ariel Goldenberg]::exactly
[Nick McGowan]:know like one of those things you’re like oh cool well on this day’s at these times i go to the and i do these certain things maybe there’s some thought to that and look man you’ve helped me with that i know i’ve you know pealed your ear a couple of times like hey i’ve got questions bout this questions about that and especially with cardio even couple of months back where you
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:were like here’s what you should do here’s how you stepped that
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yes
[Nick McGowan]:up and because of the habit that i had of being able to go to the gym and it was already in place it was easy to be able to go okay i can jump into that it was difficult like i had a failure i screwed up my leg and wasn’t able to go back for a couple of weeks but because that habit was there
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:it was easier to get back on that bike and the reason
[Ariel Goldenberg]::cool
[Nick McGowan]:why i bring that up is because we need to just have that it started so even for the people that are listening right now that are like oh yeah i get it but you had that thing well you know you can start that thing like now you can start it while listening to this episode
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and don’t
[Nick McGowan]:you can
[Ariel Goldenberg]::wait
[Nick McGowan]:turn
[Ariel Goldenberg]::for motive
[Nick McGowan]:off the epic
[Ariel Goldenberg]::don’t wait for motivation to save you
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::that’s another
[Nick McGowan]:you can
[Ariel Goldenberg]::thing
[Nick McGowan]:turn off all the noise outside
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:and you can just go do the damn thing at least start
[Ariel Goldenberg]::yeah
[Nick McGowan]:doing something
[Ariel Goldenberg]::right
[Nick McGowan]:and maybe one of the best things is to pick up that book the atomic habit book like we kind of
[Ariel Goldenberg]::great
[Nick McGowan]:hint
[Ariel Goldenberg]::book
[Nick McGowan]:that talked about a couple of times because it is that incremental growth that consistently makes up the body of work so aerial and it’s always great catching up with you i appreciate you being on the show and something that people don’t know about you is that this is your first podcast episode
[Ariel Goldenberg]::it is
[Nick McGowan]:you did a great job man i’m
[Ariel Goldenberg]::thank
[Nick McGowan]:so
[Ariel Goldenberg]::you
[Nick McGowan]:happy that you’re here i love the knowledge and the wisdom that you have and how care you are how deeply caring you are and i appreciate you as a friend and and i really appreciate your being on the episode today
[Ariel Goldenberg]::thank you so much Nick it’s been it’s been a pleasure i really i feel honored that that you invited
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::me it’s been fun
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::and i hope that you know people can get something good you know about what we said i think there’s
[Nick McGowan]:yeah
[Ariel Goldenberg]::a need outside there’s
[Nick McGowan]:oh
[Ariel Goldenberg]::there’s a you know people need to get those messages
[Nick McGowan]:time well hey where can people find you and where can they connect with you
[Ariel Goldenberg]::my business name is active remedy so people can find me an active remedy dot com active remedy dot com and that’s pretty much my my center my hub you know people can connect with me on get the idea of what what i do for in my practice
[Nick McGowan]:perfect in all that’s going to be in the show notes so thank you everybody for being on with us today and Ariel thank you for being on the show man i appreciate it
[Ariel Goldenberg]::thank you so much Nick
