Exploring What It Means To Become A Lifeonaire – Ep.62 – Jason “Wojo” Wojciechowski

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Episode summary:​ Jason has endured a lot to get where he is today. He became injured after a motorcycle accident in his 20s. He suffered from a dislocated hip bad enough to cut off blood to the bones and cracked some of his vertebrates. 

His doctor told him that with his hip being this damaged, he’s going to need a fusion, which may lead to multiple hip replacements due to his age. & if he was lucky enough not to need the hip replacement, he’ll suffer with arthritis and have to take medications for the rest of his life. 

This accident lead to one of the biggest lessons in Jason’s life. He learned to never listen to anyone tell you what you can or cannot do.  

Jason was persistent and did his own thing to help control his mind and tell his body what to do. But these lessons taught Jason that he not only does have control over his body, but he can accomplish anything he puts his mind to.  And you can too. 

Guest Name & Bio: Jason is the CEO of Lifeonaire. Lifeonaire’s mission (going on 15 years now) is to help people create lives and businesses they love, so it feels like this would be a great match for your show. 

Jason speaks all over the country sharing and empowering others, and hosts our own Lifeonaire Show podcast which has had guests like Mike Michalowicz (Profit First), Bob Burg (Go-Giver), Frank McKinney, Mindy Jensen and Scott Trench (BiggerPockets) and many others on.

Jason “Wojo” Wojciechowski

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[Nick McGowan]: hey Wojo welcome to the show man how

[Nick McGowan]: you doing

[Jason “Wojo”]: dude Nick glad be here man

[Nick McGowan]: i’m glad that you’re here i was

saying to you i had a couple of

[Nick McGowan]: your buddies on before

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: and one of them in particular wanted

me to rub in your

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: face that he was

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: on before you are

[Jason “Wojo”]: let’s

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Jason “Wojo”]: use that term

[Nick McGowan]: we’ve been going

[Jason “Wojo”]: let’s use that term

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: buddy loosely man i know you’re talking

[Nick McGowan]: all

[Jason “Wojo”]: about

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Jason “Wojo”]: the jokers

[Nick McGowan]: fair enough yeah exactly we don’t need

to say

[Jason “Wojo”]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: anything about that person and when you’re

listening you know who you are

[Jason “Wojo”]: that’s it

[Nick McGowan]: well i know we were going back

and forth or

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: at least i was going back and

forth with your project manager assistant who’s great

[Nick McGowan]: we were just trying to figure out

the best time to be able to set

[Nick McGowan]: this thing up so really you should

have first

[Jason “Wojo”]: okay i’m going to

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Jason “Wojo”]: use that man i’ll take that

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’ll

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Jason “Wojo”]: take

[Nick McGowan]: should

[Jason “Wojo”]: that

[Nick McGowan]: and i’ll do the same thing when

i talk to

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: him too so hey i don’t want

to steal your thunder man i appreciate that

[Nick McGowan]: you’re here why don’t

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: o tell us what you do and

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: tell us one thing that most peope

don’t know about you it’s maybe a little

[Nick McGowan]: odd or bizarre

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah man so i

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: am the co of a company called

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: life air and we are where life

and business coaching organization and we do events

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: and we have students and all the

other kinds of things

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: i didn’t it’s a crazy story how

i actually ever ended up being there because

[Jason “Wojo”]: i was trained as a scientist and

one thing

[Nick McGowan]: kay

[Jason “Wojo”]: that i’d

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: say most people don’t know about me

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: well there’s two here and you can

you can

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: tell me which one of these is

more shocking one is

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’m apparently a glutton for punishment because

when i was in school i was in

[Jason “Wojo”]: college to stretch my my comfort zone

i took a hip

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: hip hop dance

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: class and i was not only the

only male in that class but i was

[Jason “Wojo”]: also the only male that was probably


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: fifteen to twenty years older than every

other female in there

[Nick McGowan]: yah

[Jason “Wojo”]: and so i was the creepy old

guy that is that was a scarring memory

[Jason “Wojo”]: myself and

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jason “Wojo”]: and probably every female in that class

as well

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: and had the other thing that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: that not a lot of people know

aside from a handful of people is that

[Jason “Wojo”]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Jason “Wojo”]: in is a petty bad motorcycle accident

in two thousand in nineteen ninety nine and

[Jason “Wojo”]: i was told there

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: is a really really big chance i


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: never going to walk again and that

was that was a crazy

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: scary moment for me to but actually

i don’t i don’t really talk about it

[Jason “Wojo”]: much because it feels like like a

lifetime ago actually now

[Nick McGowan]: sure yeah i bet man i got

a new a car accident about ten years

[Nick McGowan]: ago maybe twelve

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: years ago something

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: like that but i think there’s a

certain point where you had something tragic like

[Nick McGowan]: that that it happened kind of shifted

your life and you’re like oh my god

[Nick McGowan]: so much life

[Jason “Wojo”]: it

[Nick McGowan]: has

[Jason “Wojo”]: totally

[Nick McGowan]: happened

[Jason “Wojo”]: does

[Nick McGowan]: since then yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: it totally

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Jason “Wojo”]: does

[Nick McGowan]: a what a wild thing so what

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: happened what was the situation with the


[Jason “Wojo”]: and so i was i was i

was on a back country road on my

[Jason “Wojo”]: motor cycle and an s u v

on coming in the other lane cut their

[Jason “Wojo”]: corner short and ran

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: me off the road and i dislocated

my hip had a couple cracked

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: vertebra um and i remember so i

was in the hospital for a week and

[Jason “Wojo”]: i go into the go in to

the doctor and he tells me that you

[Jason “Wojo”]: know it’s a really severe dislocation and

there’s something something called a vascular in the

[Jason “Wojo”]: crocus or a v n which basically

means like the

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: blood supplied to your joint was cut

off and therefore the bone that is a

[Jason “Wojo”]: is you know supplied by that blood

flow will eventually die and he’s like so

[Nick McGowan]: wow

[Jason “Wojo”]: our options are

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: he said you know you know you

might be all right for a little

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Jason “Wojo”]: while here but you know pretty soon

there’s a really good chance th you’re gonna

[Jason “Wojo”]: need to hip fusion because your young

guy hip replacement isn’t really designed for you

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: because he don’t last that long even

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: if we don’t fuse it you will

absolutely need hip replacement and the problem with

[Jason “Wojo”]: that is because you know they’re not

designed for a long term you’re you’re probably

[Jason “Wojo”]: gonna have to go through two or

three of those during your lifetime and he’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: like an if that doesn’t happen if

you’re like you know the one in a

[Jason “Wojo”]: million

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you will be you’re going to have


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: severe rthritis setting in in the next

couple of years and you’re gonna e on

[Jason “Wojo”]: medication the rest of your life for

this which now there’s long term effects of

[Jason “Wojo”]: those medications and you could

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: have a host of other issues dude

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: i was you know this was ninety

nine so i was

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know twenty i was i was

born so

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jason “Wojo”]: let’s see i was twenty

[Nick McGowan]: yah

[Jason “Wojo”]: early late twenties and to hear that

you know when you’re when you’re an active

[Jason “Wojo”]: person you’re you’re an athlete and you

run around an you all the stuff like

[Jason “Wojo”]: dude it’s like soul crushing

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i remember many nights spent

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: just sobbing like this can’t happen and

and i just i just said

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: no i’m going to be i’m not

gonna be the one million im gna be

[Jason “Wojo”]: the one i’m not gonna have any

issues like and

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: i refused to kind of accept that

diagnosis and and you know with god’s blessing

[Jason “Wojo”]: to this point haven’t had any issues

dude now it was a long road back

[Jason “Wojo”]: we

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: can talk about that but like you


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: it it was that was just

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i mean that’s when it hit me

for the first time in my life to

[Jason “Wojo”]: like never let anybody tell you like

what you can do or what your body

[Jason “Wojo”]: is going to do or you know

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: like

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: i don’t care if they’re an expert

man i don’t i don’t care what their

[Jason “Wojo”]: credentials are like don’t do that you

know because and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you see people that do that right

like they let somebody else tell them what

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s goin to be like and they

actually follow it nd they believe it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s devastating

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah especially could you hear different

stories at different times about somebody that beat

[Nick McGowan]: cancer and

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: they just didn’t believe what the doctors

were saying doctors are like you’ve got x

[Nick McGowan]: amount of time they’re like well i

changed this change that told them the funk

[Nick McGowan]: off and just continued on with life

[Jason “Wojo”]: right

[Nick McGowan]: for most people they’re like well we’ve


[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: told that we need to do this

thing we’ve been told this it’s almost like

[Nick McGowan]: how we’ve been conditioned you go to

the doctors you

[Jason “Wojo”]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: believe them and there are other people

that are like i’m ve’re goin to go

[Nick McGowan]: to the doctor it’s like i can

see your limb is about to fall off

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: need to go talk

[Jason “Wojo”]: maybe

[Nick McGowan]: to an

[Jason “Wojo”]: you

[Nick McGowan]: adult

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah please please for your fucking self

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: but for you to

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: not have that that

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: shows a lot of mental fortitude now

were you that type when you were younger

[Nick McGowan]: at that age to go like ego

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: driven or were you actually listening andcoachable

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know that that’s hard to answer

i’m not i remember the fear of having

[Jason “Wojo”]: my entire life changed i think is

what i don’t know if listen i don’t

[Jason “Wojo”]: know

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: if it was denial like i don’t

know if it was like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: because i’m not i’m

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: not like an inner rebel

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’m not like i on’t have a


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: with like authority in in my life

ne learning like that but like i just

[Jason “Wojo”]: was like no screw that in no

way and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: so i am and i don’t i

mean i was an athlete as a kid

[Jason “Wojo”]: but i wouldn’t i would never say

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i was like necessarily mentally tough like

i’ve always been attracted

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: to i have like extreme sports

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Jason “Wojo”]: for instance and maybe that maybe there’s

some sort of relationship there between like flirting

[Jason “Wojo”]: with

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: with injury and danger um and i’m

not sure what’s there like i don’t know

[Jason “Wojo”]: why that’s there i just

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: i just found i always seem to

be attracted to things that i can kill

[Jason “Wojo”]: myself at for some reason um but

[Nick McGowan]: death wish you know that could be


[Jason “Wojo”]: i know

[Nick McGowan]: opposite

[Jason “Wojo”]: i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: of the

[Jason “Wojo”]: i

[Nick McGowan]: scale

[Jason “Wojo”]: don’t know what

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Jason “Wojo”]: that

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah i don’t know what that’s from

but like i do remember like i’ve always

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’ve always had a m a relationship

like mentally with with persistence like that’s one

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: thing that that i’ve always been

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’d say gifted with really beaus i

don’t know where it came from but like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: and so maybe like that challenge was


[Nick McGowan]: work

[Jason “Wojo”]: that for me was like hey you

know i’m going to just give everything to

[Jason “Wojo”]: this but then you know the other

side of that that i struggled with was

[Jason “Wojo”]: like well what if i’m wrong like

what if i put in

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: all this effort and i still get

that’s scary too right because you don’t want

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jason “Wojo”]: to fail after putting up so much

effort but i remember like so i was

[Jason “Wojo”]: still on crutches and i would i

would there was a lake where where i

[Jason “Wojo”]: lived and i would i would hobble

out on the end of the dock and

[Jason “Wojo”]: i would let myself fall and i

couldn’t walk so i’d fall in the water

[Jason “Wojo”]: and with one arm and two legs

i’d kind of just like like flip flop

[Jason “Wojo”]: fish around like for like you know

it at first it was like for like

[Jason “Wojo”]: ten feet before i was like exhausted

in pain but

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: like literally man like every day i

would go back do that and every day

[Jason “Wojo”]: it was like

[Nick McGowan]: wow

[Jason “Wojo”]: two feet further or five feet further

and so like i don’t know i just

[Jason “Wojo”]: developed this like the screw you attitude

to my body really i’m like no you’re

[Jason “Wojo”]: going

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: to do what i’m going to ell

you to do i don’t care if it

[Jason “Wojo”]: hurts i don’t care like if you’re

gonna you’re going to heal and it took

[Jason “Wojo”]: a while but man but like that

after gosh and i remember and the doctor

[Jason “Wojo”]: still like when i went back for

check up when i was already making progress

[Jason “Wojo”]: es like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: well you know i’m just telling you

don’t get your hopes up like you know

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah you’re

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: you’re doing really well right now but

like i’m telling you i want and i’m

[Jason “Wojo”]: not saying his being negative but i’m

just want to prepare you you know it’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: gonna be hit fusion and hip replacement

or debilitating

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: arthritis and and i dude don’t know

how this guy got his license actually lie

[Jason “Wojo”]: because you don’t tell that

[Nick McGowan]: kay

[Jason “Wojo”]: to somebody

[Nick McGowan]: mark wall mark

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah dude yeah like you don’t say


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: to somebody and so

[Nick McGowan]: bedside manner

[Jason “Wojo”]: and yeah you’re you’re you’re playing with

people’s lives like

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: you really

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: are like it’s not you’re not just

there for medicine and this is for anybody

[Jason “Wojo”]: like i think any of

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: us who have a position of potential

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: influence have to look at like are

we are we voting for people are we

[Jason “Wojo”]: charing for them are we are we

trying to help them you know um a

[Jason “Wojo”]: positive way or we are we you

know maybe even accidentally pulling him down a

[Jason “Wojo”]: little bit and this guy

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: maybe i want to i want to

forgive him that he didn’t know better but

[Jason “Wojo”]: at the same

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jason “Wojo”]: time i was like you now you

know f you dude and like um that

[Jason “Wojo”]: was that was a pivotal moment for

me because it really did it did make

[Jason “Wojo”]: a difference to me mentally

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: like that i’m not going to let

anybody say you know what i can i

[Jason “Wojo”]: can’t

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: do

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s interesting because

[Jason “Wojo”]: okay

[Nick McGowan]: it’s not just childhood situation

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: you know where somebody says something and

then that stays with you for the rest

[Nick McGowan]: of your life it could be in

your twenties thirties or even later where somebody

[Nick McGowan]: like a doctor says something and people

will go well i got to take it

[Nick McGowan]: as gospel

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: because that’s what we’ve been taught to

do and that’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: not the case

[Jason “Wojo”]: h

[Nick McGowan]: now i think of different times and

i joke with people like different meetings were

[Nick McGowan]: somebody’s couple minutes late totally good man

i think of it like a doctor’s office

[Nick McGowan]: if one person’s late the next person’s

late the next ten people are late and

[Nick McGowan]: by the end of it they have

to cancel appointments just how it goes so

[Nick McGowan]: then i think of those people being

in a tough spot just like with all

[Nick McGowan]: the covid stuff where they were completely

overwhelmed and being like all right check this

[Nick McGowan]: box move these people out they’re dying

just get them out of here and they’re

[Nick McGowan]: just trying to check off boxes where

[Jason “Wojo”]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: he don’t even think about those sort

of ings because here just saying it based

[Nick McGowan]: on patterns that they’ve created and that

they know they’re already twenty minutes late for

[Nick McGowan]: the next appointment so with them just

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: flippantly saying something and you’re like what


[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: do you mean our

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Jason “Wojo”]: like life

[Nick McGowan]: you’re just

[Jason “Wojo”]: altering

[Nick McGowan]: going to and

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: like a couple of hours

[Jason “Wojo”]: right

[Nick McGowan]: yeah exactly

[Jason “Wojo”]: right

[Nick McGowan]: what the fuck do you eat like

well you need to get out of that

[Nick McGowan]: chair because i got another person coming

in because we’re completely late so i appreciate

[Nick McGowan]: that your heart goes toward i want

to forgive that person

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but i think there’s a lot

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: a problem at hand there you know

what i mean

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah oh there is man and you

know and i think it just goes so

[Jason “Wojo”]: frequently under appreciated as to as to

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: what people like you know and this

is i think it’s prevalent and not just

[Jason “Wojo”]: in the scenarios n the environment that

we’re talking about here but even you know

[Jason “Wojo”]: you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you have a spouse co worker a

boss a brother assist anybody

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: has the influence that that has the

potential to kind of get in there and

[Jason “Wojo”]: sting or make an impact like i

think we just got to like look at

[Jason “Wojo”]: ourselves and i just i just actually

had this discussion with wife the other day

[Jason “Wojo”]: like how there was somebody that i

probably was a little too aassumptive in the

[Jason “Wojo”]: way i in the way i like

asked them something and it turned

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: out i was wrong and i’m like

i was i probably got a pro it

[Jason “Wojo”]: was okay but i knew it was

it was a little bit more assuming than

[Jason “Wojo”]: it should have been which could have

been it could

[Nick McGowan]: gotcha

[Jason “Wojo”]: have done some damage you know

[Nick McGowan]: sure yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so when you thought back through that

i’m sure there was a moment when you’re

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: come on man don’t do that but

i’m sure you had some grace with yourself

[Nick McGowan]: but what did that conversation look like

go ahead and finish no

[Jason “Wojo”]: well it’s like so there was there

was a there’s a there’s kind of like

[Jason “Wojo”]: a like a little bit of family

drama and i had assumed that this person

[Jason “Wojo”]: was their reaction to me was based

on this family drama when in fact it

[Jason “Wojo”]: had nothing to do with it it

was totally like friends

[Nick McGowan]: he

[Jason “Wojo”]: because we were gonna do something together

i said he is it because of that

[Jason “Wojo”]: and they’re like oh actually know i

didn’t even think about it this because we

[Jason “Wojo”]: have these friends coming to the town

becase we’re going to catch up for something

[Jason “Wojo”]: important and like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh i didn’t even realize like had

i had friends coming into town there here

[Jason “Wojo”]: for th whole time my first thought

was like oh my gosh that’s not at

[Jason “Wojo”]: all what i was thinking like it


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i just jumped to conclusions you know


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: and i think you we just got

to be careful for that because it’s so

[Jason “Wojo”]: easy to happen because you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you talk about patterns a lot right

this i think sometimes it’s it’s dangerous to

[Jason “Wojo”]: look at the pattern you know instead

of the like the particulars right like it’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: and

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s it’s easy to do and i

know we do this like because it saves

[Jason “Wojo”]: us mental energy and time and we

make broad strokes and generalizations but like it

[Jason “Wojo”]: just seemed to be really kind of

a moment that i realized i was i

[Jason “Wojo”]: need to be you know paying closer

attention to this

[Nick McGowan]: it’s interesting think of i think of

people finishing other people’s sentences you know i

[Nick McGowan]: it’s just kind of a thing that

has happened i think more in the past

[Nick McGowan]: couple of years then it’s ever been

i’ve actually noticed that even on t v

[Nick McGowan]: shows where they’ll

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: do it and they’ll just

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: finish out other people’s sentences because one

people just wanted to be over like we

[Nick McGowan]: want the next thing to happen and

we’re not actively ning were intently listening we’re

[Nick McGowan]: just trying to talk about the next

thing so i find it is an interesting

[Nick McGowan]: thing where people kind of look at

that and they don’t

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: really see what they’re doing as much

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: where if you talk to somebody that

sits back and listen you’re like who that

[Nick McGowan]: person was great like yeah they just

listened to you

[Jason “Wojo”]: you’re right i mean now that you

say it like it’s so and i think

[Jason “Wojo”]: maybe it’s because like i feel like

life for a lot of people has appeared

[Jason “Wojo”]: to become faster more

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: congested more um more hectic and it’s


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: hey get to the point or hey

i know

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: what yo’re gonna say so let me

just finish sentence for you and save me

[Jason “Wojo”]: the time and you go on to

the next thing like you’re saying totally true

[Jason “Wojo”]: man yeah we’re not we’re not listening

just to kind of listen and and be

[Jason “Wojo”]: surprised just be there with that person

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: were

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: because we already made our conclusion we

already thought

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: of the answer and we already know

what you’re goin to say you know totally

[Jason “Wojo”]: true

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: one person that told me at one

point he was like

[Jason “Wojo”]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: i’m just a real fast listener

[Jason “Wojo”]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: just listen to your stuff real quick

[Jason “Wojo”]: h

[Nick McGowan]: and i’m done and i was like


[Jason “Wojo”]: yeahyeahi’m

[Nick McGowan]: that’s that’s incredibly rude but appreciate the


[Jason “Wojo”]: a fast listener okay

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s like all right fair enough

so well let’s let’s top over to the

[Nick McGowan]: life and air stuff because i think


[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: ties in a lot

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: to that

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: where i know you and our buddy

that we are talking about have lots and

[Nick McGowan]: lots and lots of conversations and have

to listen to be able to understand what’s

[Nick McGowan]: going on to be able to help

the people that you’re working with so can

[Nick McGowan]: you give us a bit of context

of what life and air is

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and then to kind of what you

guys get into

[Jason “Wojo”]: so man so life in er so

i actually started as a student in life

[Jason “Wojo”]: two thousand nine m i did not

found it the founder of steve cook

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: came on as a student and then

started speaking started started coaching for them then

[Jason “Wojo”]: speaking then running

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Jason “Wojo”]: the company alongside steve

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: and like so the

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: whole message of life and are is

basically hey like let’s figure out you know

[Jason “Wojo”]: everybody wants to be a millionaire ike

everybody is just there’s a seductive allure of

[Jason “Wojo”]: the word millionaire that is just so

attractive to so many people and what lifeinaire

[Jason “Wojo”]: says is like hey really what you

want is the life you think the money

[Jason “Wojo”]: is going to buy you so why

don’t we do that like why don’t we

[Jason “Wojo”]: buy past the money’s thing not saying

not saying you you’re not going to make

[Jason “Wojo”]: the money but let’s focus on life

first then let’s have the money conversation then

[Jason “Wojo”]: we’ll have the business conversation so like

everything we do is like hey let’s help

[Jason “Wojo”]: you figure out exactly what you want

your life to look like in every area

[Jason “Wojo”]: um in in a tangible way not

a not a foot necessarily way or like

[Jason “Wojo”]: a hey we’re gonna you now what

man like a pie in the sky approach

[Jason “Wojo”]: but like a real

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: tangible way with a plan and then

we’ll have a discussion about how to create

[Jason “Wojo”]: a business to serve that life um

and i would eight i believe what we

[Jason “Wojo”]: teach is absolutely applicable to everybody but

i will also say that most of the

[Jason “Wojo”]: people that that resonate with us are

small business owners and entrepreneurs you know real

[Jason “Wojo”]: estate investor people that people that want

to have some freedom in their life that

[Jason “Wojo”]: w to a traditional w two at

least can’t fully give you in most cases

[Jason “Wojo”]: not all

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: but but many cases people want to

kind of hold that card in their hand

[Jason “Wojo”]: and and kind of pave their own

path rather than you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: somebody else is somebody else is kind

of you know somebody else dictating what they’re

[Jason “Wojo”]: what their schedule is going to be

like and when they work and things like

[Jason “Wojo”]: that so

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: that’s kind of that’s kind of like

what the whole thing is about and you

[Jason “Wojo”]: know we have coaching events things like

that that they all kind of play together

[Nick McGowan]: that’s interesting especially to be able to

go all right you want to live this

[Nick McGowan]: millionaire lifestyle let’s build the life style

just like how people talk about you can

[Nick McGowan]: think about these things almost like you

can say words of a ormation but if

[Nick McGowan]: you’re not feeling the feeling behind it

then you’re not actually pulling that to you

[Nick McGowan]: and you have no idea what the

fun you want so if you’re able

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: to create that that’s huge so what

does that look like to

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: able to work with people that are

trying to

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: figure out that next jump

[Jason “Wojo”]: dude first of all it’s amazingly like

rewarding like you can probably imagine you help

[Jason “Wojo”]: people with a podcast and so seen


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: glimmer of hope in someone’s eye for

the first time to like for them to

[Jason “Wojo”]: fig like what

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: they want is awesome dude and it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: so rewarding the biggest thing i’d say

is like when people come in oftentimes it’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: one of two things one is that

they really don’t know what they want like

[Jason “Wojo”]: and i know

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: that sounds ridiculous and you’re like oh

well i knew i know what i want

[Jason “Wojo”]: my life to look like but when

you start asking people like cifics it becomes

[Jason “Wojo”]: very apparent that they haven’t spent a

whole lot of

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: time figuring that out and a lot

of times we’re seeing

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: people that just basically you know either

they fell into their position like at work

[Jason “Wojo”]: or they

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: went down an easy path that they

had maybe connections with

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: or there’s a family business or they

have um you know other people that that

[Jason “Wojo”]: do the same thing or or hey

they have they have a two so a

[Jason “Wojo”]: white house with a with a picket

fence and the two v so i’m on

[Jason “Wojo”]: a do that or like it’s just

so much and i don’t want to say

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s like man i’m not really a

conspiracy theorist but like i think there’s just

[Jason “Wojo”]: a lot of nat it’s human nature

to kind of

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: look to others for some sort of

like um some sort of model like this

[Jason “Wojo”]: is kind of what success

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jason “Wojo”]: is and so we i think a

lot of people just do that blindly without

[Jason “Wojo”]: necessarily giving it a whole lot of

thought as to what they wanted to look

[Jason “Wojo”]: like and so when you can show

them that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: and they start and actually when you


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: to be gottllyoumanyou got t be careful

when you do this because you don’t want

[Jason “Wojo”]: to influence somebody unintenton

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Jason “Wojo”]: land and do the same thing like

you know so when i share

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: what my life looks like i have

to do be very careful because i don’t

[Jason “Wojo”]: i don’t want to idn’twantsomebod to look

at me

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: and be like get an idea if

you want

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Jason “Wojo”]: but don’t don’t try to live my


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know because you got to

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: your your life and so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s just really cool for people to

make that discovery i think sometimes for the

[Jason “Wojo”]: first time ever literally like um so

it’s really cool

[Nick McGowan]: m that’s awesome man i don’t want

you to get into the secret sauce of

[Nick McGowan]: what you do but for the audience

what sort of things would you walk people

[Nick McGowan]: through can you kind of give us

a high level

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: for those people that are thinking about

making that job

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah so so a couple of things

i think that are really like let’s ay

[Jason “Wojo”]: you’re just starting of

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: in this process one exercise we have

people do that that’s really really cool is

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know right right two versions of

your g right

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: one version right now if they could

if this person could not lie about you

[Jason “Wojo”]: and they would say the full complete

truth and because listen man we’ve always been

[Jason “Wojo”]: to we’ve we’ve been to those services

were like who talking about like this is

[Jason “Wojo”]: not

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: like that person with a jerk

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: like they are in a hole um

so what would they say about you right

[Jason “Wojo”]: now

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: and then what do you want them

to say about what do you what do

[Jason “Wojo”]: you want them to say about you

like ideally and so when you come are

[Jason “Wojo”]: those two versions you start to recognize

the gaps in your life

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: you find most important and then from

there you’re going to pull that and tease

[Jason “Wojo”]: that apart to

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: see like well how does this look

like in s of my day to day

[Jason “Wojo”]: activity is what

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: i really invest in what kind of

person do i have to become

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: for this to become

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: a fruition you know what kind of

things in my life have to change as

[Jason “Wojo”]: far as my character my expert is


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: where i place my my value and

that starts to unravel the thread of like

[Jason “Wojo”]: okay well now that we have this

let’s start to break this down even further

[Jason “Wojo”]: and look at like everything from relationship

family and friends your health your

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Jason “Wojo”]: your business life your time your charitable

life if that’s important to you like your

[Jason “Wojo”]: spiritual life that’s important to you like

every component that can be broken down it’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: essential like a reverse engineering approach to

to really getting down through the weeds is

[Jason “Wojo”]: the ultimate step of like hey

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: okay i’ve identified all these things and

now now how do i actually make it

[Jason “Wojo”]: come

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: true like what do i actually have

to do

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: um action wise to make this a

reality and what do i have to

[Nick McGowan]: yet

[Jason “Wojo”]: believe to make it occur too right

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah that’s that’s huge i know

that there’s probably more people than they would

[Nick McGowan]: admit that they’ve started something like that

they’ve thought about some of those things but

[Nick McGowan]: they’re kind of just okay they’re like

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you know life kind of sucks is

but it’s terrible could be worse

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: like so go ahead

[Jason “Wojo”]: dude you you

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: you said a mouthful right there bro

and i was i was just reacting to

[Jason “Wojo”]: it like that is so complacency and

comfort are the two enemies

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: that we see a lot and those

are the people like let’s say

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: et’s say you had you had a

scale of how happy you’re with life from

[Jason “Wojo”]: one to ten like one to three

is like life sucks i’m dying here

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’m getting the life sucked out of

me every day um those people have those

[Jason “Wojo”]: people have some sort motivation to change

because they’re in pain and so there

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: is a little bit f motivation there

and then you have people that are really

[Jason “Wojo”]: really happy and like maybe not not

much has to be done and those people

[Jason “Wojo”]: have a different problem which is you

know like it’s easier to kind of lazy

[Jason “Wojo”]: and lose appreciation and gratitude and so

it’s easy to kind of like backslide but

[Jason “Wojo”]: the people like right in the middle

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s a lie like it’s a four

or five or six ye’re like it’s all

[Jason “Wojo”]: right it’s okay though people due it’s

it’s hard to reach those sometimes because what

[Jason “Wojo”]: you just said like they are they’re

comfortable they’re like it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: okay it’s good enough right and

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: that’s that’s the i feel like though

people man i wish i had the secret

[Jason “Wojo”]: to to motivating them but

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: what i see with those people is

a lot of times it’s just it’s basically

[Jason “Wojo”]: more of regret than anything else where

they’re like you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: know i could have been i should

have been and they have all these dreams

[Jason “Wojo”]: that they just let die in the

vine because they’re kind of they’re too comfortable

[Jason “Wojo”]: there’s no there’s no fire you know

the there’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: nothing to kind of ignite him to

take that next step

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s like how do you lovingly

tip the scale a bit without

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: like entering a tragedy in their life


[Jason “Wojo”]: right right

[Nick McGowan]: giving them a couple of hundred or

something like that like how

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: do you change that and it’s honestly

it’s probably all along them like

[Jason “Wojo”]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: i think about those moments at times

where it’s the pivotal moment we’ve all had

[Nick McGowan]: it at some point even on a

small scale were yo’re like fuck it i’m

[Nick McGowan]: done this thing i’m done with and

you step out of your own energy and

[Nick McGowan]: you go i’m done with this i

don’t want it any more because you list

[Nick McGowan]: off the negative things that you’ve then

anchored to it but if you’re just kind

[Nick McGowan]: of sitting there fat and happy it’s

so difficult to get those people out of

[Nick McGowan]: it but so what sort of advice

if you and i were standing there and

[Nick McGowan]: we could see somebody that we’re friends

with that are in one of those spaces

[Nick McGowan]: were like well we can’t kill one

of their family members shouldn’t east

[Jason “Wojo”]: right

[Nick McGowan]: and i’m not going to give them

a couple hundred k i don’t want to

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: so what do we do to kind

of help them along that path

[Jason “Wojo”]: man and so first of all you

i love what you’re saying here because it’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s really you you’re hitting on the

the the crux of the problem here one

[Jason “Wojo”]: thing i think that could be beneficial

[Nick McGowan]: oh oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: is for people to kind of and

you know and i’ve done this in the

[Jason “Wojo”]: past with some people and it seems

to be effective is like take people through

[Jason “Wojo”]: the exercise or have them do it

on their own like what is life gonna

[Jason “Wojo”]: look like

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: in another year another three or five

years another ten years if you stay on

[Jason “Wojo”]: this path you know because maybe you’ve

you know maybe you’ve gained

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: fifteen pounds over the past

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: two or three years and youre like

okay well i’m a little pudgy but who

[Jason “Wojo”]: cares okay well let’s let’s add that

forward for another ten years so let’s triple

[Jason “Wojo”]: that so you just gained another

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Jason “Wojo”]: forty five pounds are you okay

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: with that or let’s say like right

now you’re you’re kind of working more than

[Jason “Wojo”]: you want to not making the money

an okay

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: well how is that going to work

for you in another five or ten years

[Jason “Wojo”]: do you really still want to struggle

are you still really going to be okay

[Jason “Wojo”]: with that or do you think you


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: physically or mentally or emotional

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: yo’re gonna burn out like what’s going

to happen to the relationships in your life

[Jason “Wojo”]: because you know that you’re you’re neglecting

now when you already have friction

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: what’s that going to be

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: like in another five or ten years

like and so

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: sometimes i think the fear of not

changing is in to kind of kick start

[Jason “Wojo”]: somebody and give them a little bit


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: kick in the pants to move forward

um not always but like

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: i think that’s a that’s a that’s

a that could be scary for

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: a lot of people like you know

hen they

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: really think about if the’e if they

continue in the path they’re on right now

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: what’s the result going to be each

of these different areas of life and like

[Jason “Wojo”]: that that can be sobering sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah and that’s that’s easy for

us as humans to not go near that

[Nick McGowan]: that’s like oh well there’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: a fucking haunted house over there i’m

not going to go in there okay great

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and that things kind of in our

mind somewhere and i appreciate that there are

[Nick McGowan]: people like yourself in like the life

in air coaches that are able to actually

[Nick McGowan]: help people because honestly at the core

of it i’m sure we agree it’s accountability

[Nick McGowan]: like you’ve got to be able to

ak through things and then have accountability so

[Nick McGowan]: what does that look like from your

perspective and working with people through that stage

[Nick McGowan]: and some of the accountability

[Jason “Wojo”]: so i think accountability is a huge

part of it

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: having people two things well

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Jason “Wojo”]: first of all everybody likes accountability until

they get it and so you got

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: to you got to really be okay

with it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: and from the standpoint of receiving that

accountability but also giving it because

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: nobody wants to feel like a jerk

but but like if you’re if you really

[Jason “Wojo”]: care about somebody you’re not going you’re

not going to let them get away with

[Jason “Wojo”]: it you know this

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: is where i think the people you

surround yourself with is so important like because

[Jason “Wojo”]: we all have probably had those

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: friends who are like let’s say you’re

trying to lose some weight and your butts

[Jason “Wojo”]: you’re like come on man let’s just

go get a let’s get a slice of

[Jason “Wojo”]: pizza and we’ll get a few beers

like you know you don’t hang out with

[Jason “Wojo”]: us any more man let’s go to

let’s go ahead at the bar and just

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know go on a bender like

and i can understand that from the from

[Jason “Wojo”]: the perspective of maybe your friends feel

like you’re you’ve withdrawn from them or you’re

[Jason “Wojo”]: going to outgrow them whatever but your

true friends in the one that can help

[Jason “Wojo”]: you are the one be like they’re

the nesha’regon to see a beer in your

[Jason “Wojo”]: hand and slap it out of your

hand because you told them

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: you didn’t want to drink

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: and so those are but that’s but

you got to be okay with that from

[Jason “Wojo”]: both perspective

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: and you gotta like really also have

that person’s best interests at heart like you

[Jason “Wojo”]: really got to

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: want them to succeed in more than

anything and like you know certainly not more

[Jason “Wojo”]: than they want to succeed but like

you got to match

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: them where they are um

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jason “Wojo”]: and that’s so important man becase yo

don’t want you don’t an accountability from somebody

[Jason “Wojo”]: who’s who’s

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Jason “Wojo”]: rooting against you who just wants to

be a jerk or like

[Nick McGowan]: god

[Jason “Wojo”]: whatever and so so that’s that’s really

important um to do that and and the

[Jason “Wojo”]: other thing i think that’s really important

is like

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: is related to accountability is to to

find other people that are like

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: that are doing the things that you

say you want to do um and who

[Jason “Wojo”]: are happy to see you make progress

as well which is kind of a

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: little bit like what we just mentioned

th accountability um and it just it gets

[Jason “Wojo”]: back i think to the power of

community and being around the right folks you

[Jason “Wojo”]: know and is so funny because like

you know i think a lot of us

[Jason “Wojo”]: probably remember our our parents telling us

when we’re kids like don’t hang out with

[Jason “Wojo”]: johnnie like you know like he’s goin

to get you in trouble or

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: and they were kind of right like

actually like

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: as much as i hate to admit

it like you know

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: your parents can see things that you

can’t when you’re when you’re young and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: we lose that governing like over the

shoulder perspective like when we’re adults and maybe

[Jason “Wojo”]: we could be and from it a

little bit like you know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: who are you hanging out with you

know and are

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: they keeping you accountable are they helping

you reach the things

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you want to do

[Nick McGowan]: well that starts with us us as


[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: like sometimes you got a parent yourself

i am i had this conversation

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: recently so we’re recording this in october

your episode is probably gon to be out

[Nick McGowan]: february march is something like that but

this month i started or stopped drinking and

[Nick McGowan]: i haven’t had a month of not

drinking since probably high school

[Jason “Wojo”]: man

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Jason “Wojo”]: all right

[Nick McGowan]: and like middle

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: school like as terrible as that might


[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but being able to actually do that

but it took me parenting myself over the

[Nick McGowan]: course of a couple of months and

seeing the patterns of ship and the conversations

[Nick McGowan]: that i have with it nough people

about this stuff where i was like wait

[Nick McGowan]: a minute i’m seeing myself being able

to do this and i’m kind of a

[Nick McGowan]: gee and i know that

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: i am probably a geek outlier with


[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but i get fuckingnertilly excited where i’m

like yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: this is of those moments

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: this is one of those things um

and it’s only because i’ve been in those

[Nick McGowan]: spots where i’ve pushed that ship off

where i’ve been like a fucking i’ll let

[Nick McGowan]: future me deal with that and in

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: future six months

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: two years later goes

[Jason “Wojo”]: why didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: past

[Jason “Wojo”]: you address

[Nick McGowan]: me why can’t

[Jason “Wojo”]: it back

[Nick McGowan]: you just

[Jason “Wojo”]: then

[Nick McGowan]: fix your fucking problems

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: exactly come on

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: now

[Jason “Wojo”]: man

[Nick McGowan]: we have been so much further ahead

or you know whatever so i’ve had enough

[Nick McGowan]: of that bull ship where the parent

in me is like remember these fucking times

[Nick McGowan]: let’s knock that off but that’s not

one of those things where you can’t just

[Nick McGowan]: pull that out of you that takes

years and years to be able to do

[Nick McGowan]: that but i think good conversational ist

the ones that are able to do that

[Nick McGowan]: with people and get them to that

point where they can feel that trust no

[Nick McGowan]: i’m sure you’re probably in that spot

too so thinking about the audience that

[Jason “Wojo”]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: is either going through that or now

somebody like when the ship comes up there’s

[Nick McGowan]: always like you know timmy or johnny

or whoever that pops in their head they’re

[Nick McGowan]: like man i got to talk to

this guy how would you suggest that they

[Nick McGowan]: lovingly have a conversation with somebody that’s

kind of in that fear space or that

[Nick McGowan]: really casual spot and wouldn’t accept the

accountability because they don’t have enough fear or

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: negativity tied to it yet

[Jason “Wojo”]: dude that’s that’s a great question and

i think i think what i’ve

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: seen is like you know i think

the first thing that’s going to be your

[Jason “Wojo”]: pre requisite for any kind of meet

discussion it has to be a report like

[Jason “Wojo”]: you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: have to have a relationship with this

person where they have no doubt that you

[Jason “Wojo”]: care about them more than their own

self interest when it comes to this issue

[Jason “Wojo”]: and you have and if you’re gonna

i think there’s two ways to play this

[Jason “Wojo”]: like so if you have if you

have report you know i think that that

[Jason “Wojo”]: being the first step either you you

have a choice do you bring it up

[Jason “Wojo”]: directly and in a gentle way or

do you wait for them to express like

[Jason “Wojo”]: something something to you and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: then you use as an open door

to to ah to broach that conversation and

[Jason “Wojo”]: i it’s really i think it’s really

dependent on the context in the person you

[Jason “Wojo”]: know one

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: one thing that i’ve found valuable as

an actual technique to do this is this

[Jason “Wojo”]: you got to be you always got

to be honest with this but like i’ve

[Jason “Wojo”]: had discussions with friends about my other

friends or someone close to me who’s dealt

[Jason “Wojo”]: with this and i just drop it

as a story in conversation just

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: because then then they can’t help but

and you know you know make it like

[Jason “Wojo”]: obvious that you’re like you know

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: you’re trying to plant the seed with

them but like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: when they hear it from somebody else

it causes them to just kind of you

[Jason “Wojo”]: stutter and their step for a second

just and all of a sudden just be

[Jason “Wojo”]: like i wonder you know and you

got to do it you don’t want them

[Jason “Wojo”]: to think like you you’re trying to

like you know and around about talk to

[Jason “Wojo”]: them but like if you can

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i think it’s easier for people to

hear a story about somebody else and then

[Jason “Wojo”]: they start maybe look at themselves a

little bit and that might be the opening

[Jason “Wojo”]: you need but you guys do that

very tight fully because you don’t want you

[Jason “Wojo”]: never want to be

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: manipulated with someone

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: um but that’s tough because some people

dude listen like my mom has had stage

[Jason “Wojo”]: for lung cancer she’s in her mission

now dude she still smokes like you know

[Jason “Wojo”]: wat i mean like

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: how do you

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: how do you

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: and believe me i’ve had all the

conversations right and like it hasn’t worked and

[Jason “Wojo”]: so like at the end

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: of the day it’s the person like

they have to want to change like like

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know when

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you mentioned your moment a minute ago

like having enough like so so you got

[Jason “Wojo”]: to have some you got to have

some discernment with this like don’t if if

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you can tell they don’t care at

all save your breath just just

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: love on them

[Nick McGowan]: move along

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah just just love on them be

there for them and then and when when

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know the feces hits the rotary

blade device mountain on the ceiling

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you will be there to help them

and support them

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s a long way to be

able to say that but i appreciate that

[Jason “Wojo”]: it is it is

[Nick McGowan]: yeah well yeah it definitely is on

it’s on us as people and i keep

[Nick McGowan]: thinking of that visual of you and

i standing there seeing somebody standing at a

[Nick McGowan]: five or six not being at a

two or not being at an eight or

[Nick McGowan]: nine and just living in that general

you know life sucks at times but life

[Nick McGowan]: sucks at times because i think there

are pieces of it like almost

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: layers to it where you need to

have some grace with yourself right and just

[Nick McGowan]: go look today was kind of sucking

tough but i’m all right i’m going to

[Nick McGowan]: sit down i’m going to watch t

v you do whatever our gonna do to

[Nick McGowan]: edge out for a couple minutes have

some grace but not just totally give it

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and something that i found that has

been super helpful for me has been just

[Nick McGowan]: incremental progress like there’s certain days like

i learned from my dad years ago he

[Nick McGowan]: was like there’s some days where i

feel like it’s just not my day to

[Nick McGowan]: do things so i’ll go right cool

and just let it kind of go on

[Nick McGowan]: the day kind of ride and there

been certain times or i’m like you can

[Nick McGowan]: mentally change that it’s an attitude thing

to be able to figure that out

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: so how do i incorporate

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that in my life without getting crazy

where sometimes you can start to think through

[Nick McGowan]: oh my god all this ship happened

before all this it has to happen

[Jason “Wojo”]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: which lands you in the center so

i found the incremental work

[Jason “Wojo”]: m

[Nick McGowan]: to help me but in all the

conversations you have with people that are either

[Nick McGowan]: super successful in doing great things but

want more were therein a really bad spot

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: they want to be able to fix

that how do you help them have the

[Nick McGowan]: incremental growth and do the things on

the daily to help

[Jason “Wojo”]: man i want to i want to

i want to step back for one second

[Jason “Wojo”]: and focus on what you said which

i absolutely love man like what i heard

[Jason “Wojo”]: is like having grace with yourself when

things aren’t going well but

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: also the flip side of that coin

is like when you feel like you’re on

[Jason “Wojo”]: you have the responsibility the ethical like

you know you have this to hustle to

[Jason “Wojo”]: make it happen to advantage and don’t

squander those days

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: too because you have

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: everybody hasn’t both like you’ll have some

days where like you know you like you

[Jason “Wojo”]: said you’re you’re our it’s just you

know it’s not on your day and you

[Jason “Wojo”]: give yourself permission and you make the

best of it maybe you do something that

[Jason “Wojo”]: you really enjoy to kind of maybe

perhaps get you back in the zone and

[Jason “Wojo”]: if not okay

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: well you know i’m just gonna i’m

not gonna beat myself up about it tomorrow’s

[Jason “Wojo”]: new day or even like you know

i’m going to take a nap and when

[Jason “Wojo”]: i wake up we’ll see how i

feel like you know like try to

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: reset that clock and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: then when when things are going well

and you feel good i think you really

[Jason “Wojo”]: that’s that’s your moment to shine and

so don’t let that slide i think the

[Jason “Wojo”]: shine days for most people over a

long period of time are most people again

[Jason “Wojo”]: are outweighed the darker days in a


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: period of time that could absolutely not

be true like so you have you know

[Jason “Wojo”]: dude i went i went through a

divorce back two thousand levin it was the

[Jason “Wojo”]: darkest time of my life i literally

didn’t want a bed from like literally didn’t

[Jason “Wojo”]: want to go to bed for a

month um

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: i mean i wasn’t i wasn’t like

suicidal but i also wouldn’t have minded a

[Jason “Wojo”]: medio landed in my house and like

just crushed me you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: know and i would have be okay

with that

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jason “Wojo”]: um and so in that short period

of time it was all dark but you

[Jason “Wojo”]: know you expand that perspective to to

a year to two years you

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: know whatever you start to see a

better pattern and i think one of the

[Jason “Wojo”]: things to incremental growth is is catching

and having a perspective on the little things

[Jason “Wojo”]: and having appreciative appreciative attitude for it

so like for instance like i was this

[Jason “Wojo”]: is not too long ago i had

my i was doing my morning quiet time

[Jason “Wojo”]: which i’m a big believer and that

makes a big difference for me in my

[Jason “Wojo”]: life um and this is the silliest

thing man but i remember sitting on my

[Jason “Wojo”]: couch and being like oh my gosh

i have a i have a couch and

[Jason “Wojo”]: i’ve a

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: carpet under my feet and i’ve heard

the air conditioning go on and i’m like

[Jason “Wojo”]: i have air conditioning that i heard

the fridge turned in like i have refrigerator

[Jason “Wojo”]: like i can have food like that

is cold and on like and it started

[Jason “Wojo”]: just this incredible also kind of little

bit foreign because this isn’t normally how i

[Jason “Wojo”]: view things but like this incredible moment

of like this flowering appreciation that made me

[Jason “Wojo”]: realize

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: and and it flipped my perspective enough

to turn what could have been like a

[Jason “Wojo”]: like an okay or a dark day

into a great day and so like i

[Jason “Wojo”]: think that is something i think and

i know it sounds kind of corny like

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know our attitude of gratitude abbablalike

every ever rhyme sounds like you know prophetic

[Nick McGowan]: m my

[Jason “Wojo”]: or whatever but it really did strike

me of how how valuable that was for

[Jason “Wojo”]: me and if you can find those

opportunities catch those little things

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: i think it does’tmakeadifference

[Nick McGowan]: yeah i totally agree with that and

there are some of the sayings that are

[Nick McGowan]: corny because some people think of the

ship as corny but if you really think

[Nick McGowan]: of those little magical

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: moments where you are aware of every

thing around you it’s almost like being on

[Nick McGowan]: a different mental level like you’ve entered

the quantum realm at that point and you

[Nick McGowan]: can understand that everything i have is

important in some certain way and to be

[Nick McGowan]: grateful for that i had a conversation

with actually my my brother and my dad

[Nick McGowan]: the other day where i was like

you guys ever just like randomly yell throughout

[Nick McGowan]: the house like fuck yeah just because

you love life they’re like yeah all the

[Nick McGowan]: time and maybe that’s where i get

it from but there are weird things like

[Nick McGowan]: that or i’m sure my neighbors are

like what the fuck is wrong with this

[Nick McGowan]: guy but he moments and when those

moments happen i think it’s on us to

[Nick McGowan]: be able to it’s our responsibility as

you mentioned earlier to do something with it

[Nick McGowan]: to capitalize on that there’s this energy

that’s flowing

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: through you you can’t just be like

hold cool man i hate this

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: instantly

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: jump into something shady

[Jason “Wojo”]: totally to man totally true i love

that you got

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: to express it do something with it

show it like because i think if you

[Jason “Wojo”]: don’t do that it just it just


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: of sequesters itself and it goes back

into a hiding hole

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know you got you got to

do something

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: with it oh

[Nick McGowan]: and it’s like a muscle at that

point if you keep telling it to go

[Nick McGowan]: away it’s going to go away and

not come back and maybe that’s where the

[Nick McGowan]: five or six years have been they

[Jason “Wojo”]: man

[Nick McGowan]: get kind of stuck in that

[Jason “Wojo”]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you know i’m sure you get into

this where you you’ve known somebody for a

[Nick McGowan]: while a hen you have a conversation

with them years later and they’re like man

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve never told you this before you’re

like we’ve been friends for life a decade

[Nick McGowan]: how have you not told me this

thing before so i think of that stuff

[Nick McGowan]: that people just naturally kind of hold

on to until they’re ready but it all

[Nick McGowan]: gets back to them to be ready

to at um an i appreciate that you’ve

[Nick McGowan]: been on the show i appreciate the

time we could probably just keep talking and

[Nick McGowan]: talking and talking about this stuff and

i know this isn’t going to be our

[Nick McGowan]: last conversation at some point we should

probably do a convert ation with the four

[Nick McGowan]: of us if not even more life

and air people

[Jason “Wojo”]: be awesome

[Nick McGowan]: um but what sort of

[Jason “Wojo”]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: advice would you give the audience that

are walking toward their path of self mastery

[Jason “Wojo”]: i would say be in the moment

and give it time give it look for

[Jason “Wojo”]: incremental changes to make the biggest difference

for them because that is the

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jason “Wojo”]: that’s the key like you know just

rating it it up slowly over time like

[Jason “Wojo”]: small small small sequential steps that by

by external standards may be be non noticeable

[Jason “Wojo”]: like but

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jason “Wojo”]: find those and then you will see

the progress and once you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: see the progress now you can rest

that you’re going you’re on the right path

[Jason “Wojo”]: and you can forget you can let

go of any kind of expectation on how

[Jason “Wojo”]: fast it should come or what it

should look

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jason “Wojo”]: like and it will get there just

have confidence that it works and believe in

[Jason “Wojo”]: process man

[Nick McGowan]: it’s awesome again Wojo

[Jason “Wojo”]: okay

[Nick McGowan]: thank you so much for being on

where can people find you and where can

[Nick McGowan]: they connect with you

[Jason “Wojo”]: man head on over i’d say either

to a life in ers private facebook group

[Jason “Wojo”]: and just call it private so we

don’t have any spanners in there but anybody

[Jason “Wojo”]: could be in there

[Nick McGowan]: ye

[Jason “Wojo”]: it’s a great place to discuss any

end verything that’s related to

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: you know achieving and accomplish ing the

life you want or just go to life

[Jason “Wojo”]: in your ot com to see what

you know when we’re coming to your area

[Jason “Wojo”]: for events

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jason “Wojo”]: and a kind of content we have

on the website

[Nick McGowan]: awesome again o thank you so much

for being on it was a pleasure man

[Jason “Wojo”]: thanks man

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