From A Gold Mine To A Golden Mind – Ep.65 – Casey Stubbs

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Episode summary:​ If there’s anything Casey Stubbs knows, it’s the mindset and self-discipline required in making and managing money. As an 18-year-old man in the army, he invested a little bit of his paycheck each month. He didn’t make much but knew that within time, it would pay off.

He set strict rules for himself on when to invest, when to move money, and when to withdraw money. And these money managing skills rolled onto just daily and maintenance budgeting, which also sets him free from living paycheck to paycheck. The mindset is HUGE when it comes to money. 

Guest Name & Bio: Casey Stubbs is a 9 ½ year United States Army Veteran and married father of nine. He is an entrepreneur, a leader in his local church, and is a successful business owner and trader. He loves to share his failures with others because he believes that is where the most growth and character-building takes place.

Casey is dedicated to helping people from all walks of life fulfill their financial dreams, while also achieving financial freedom. Helping others is at the heart of all that drives Casey on a daily basis.

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[Nick McGowan]: Hey Casey Stubbs welcome to the

show man how are you doing

[Casey Stubbs]: hey Nick i’m doing great thanks for

having me today

[Nick McGowan]: absolutely i’m excited that you’re here we

were talking about how we connected and we

[Nick McGowan]: connected through a couple of different mediums

linked in and sales cast and we were

[Nick McGowan]: just kind of loving on the sales

cast people so i know isn’t part of

[Nick McGowan]: my ad art of the of the

podcast and the show but we both kind

[Nick McGowan]: of level on sales cast so sales

cast dot co that’s free for you chris

[Nick McGowan]: man i appreciate your being on the

show case and want to jump in as

[Nick McGowan]: quickly as we can with this because

i feel like you and i are going

[Nick McGowan]: to have a lot of stuff that

we get into so why don’t you tell

[Nick McGowan]: us what do you do for living

and what’s that one thing that most people

[Nick McGowan]: don’t know about you that’s maybe a

hotter bizarre

[Casey Stubbs]: okay so

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: what i do is i’m an online

marketer and trader and i’ve been debating about

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: what’s our bizarre about me and i

would guess the biggest

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: author it’s that i have nine

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: kids

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah yeah i guess that would

be a bit different than most people are

[Nick McGowan]: they all close to age to the

same age is it like irish twins like

[Nick McGowan]: a whole bunch of them or what

[Casey Stubbs]: two twins are actually one twin but

that’s two so twins and then

[Nick McGowan]: one pair

[Casey Stubbs]: then i adopted two girls so that

added to it and you know that was

[Casey Stubbs]: not really planned it just kind of

happened and so then

[Nick McGowan]: huh

[Casey Stubbs]: their ages are separated from twenty three

to eight

[Nick McGowan]: wow she’s they all live under the

same roof

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Casey Stubbs]: they’re

[Nick McGowan]: how big

[Casey Stubbs]: still

[Nick McGowan]: is that

[Casey Stubbs]: they’re

[Nick McGowan]: roof

[Casey Stubbs]: still home they’re still we got a

really big house we live way

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Casey Stubbs]: out in the country it’s an old


[Nick McGowan]: nice yeah i wouldn’t really think you’d

be able to live in like the middle

[Nick McGowan]: of the city in a condo like

a six hundred square

[Casey Stubbs]: m

[Nick McGowan]: foot condo

[Casey Stubbs]: m

[Nick McGowan]: or something you know

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah we got we got a lot

of room when the kids can

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: go out and play and you know

get in the woods and do that kind

[Casey Stubbs]: of fun stuff

[Nick McGowan]: that’s cool so is that how you

grew up did you grow up kind of

[Nick McGowan]: on a farm or rural area

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah actually i was pretty rural actually

my high school graduating class only had twelve

[Casey Stubbs]: students and some

[Nick McGowan]: who

[Casey Stubbs]: of the were so rem that students

were actually in different time zones from the

[Casey Stubbs]: school some of them

[Nick McGowan]: ye ow does how does that work

[Casey Stubbs]: uh well it’s on the border of

eastern oregon eastern oregon

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Casey Stubbs]: and idaho and so now there’s that’s

where the time

[Nick McGowan]: interesting

[Casey Stubbs]: zone the times the time lines over

there and so from eastern are from

[Nick McGowan]: m oh

[Casey Stubbs]: pacific to mountain and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah we had twelve people our football

team are eight it was eight man football

[Casey Stubbs]: twelve total and sometimes we’d have to

drive like two hours three hours just to

[Casey Stubbs]: get some groceries

[Nick McGowan]: hell

[Casey Stubbs]: really far away

[Nick McGowan]: jes

[Casey Stubbs]: out there

[Nick McGowan]: yeah and there are still people i

know that do that or that grow up

[Nick McGowan]: differently from that and then gravitate to

that as they get a little older but

[Nick McGowan]: it’s always interesting to me how some

people kind stick with the things that that

[Nick McGowan]: they grew up with and they’re like

i want more of this and you going

[Nick McGowan]: to grow up in that area and

then you have nine kids now in this

[Nick McGowan]: whole big house is kind of it

sounds like something that you kind of grew

[Nick McGowan]: up with that you were used to

but how did you get into into what

[Nick McGowan]: you’re doing like honestly from hearing trading

and a lot of people i think we

[Nick McGowan]: should break down what that actually means

because that can mean different things different people

[Nick McGowan]: and most of it’s kind of probably

crap what they think about like it’s just

[Nick McGowan]: some false narrative they have with it

but how would you get into trading from

[Nick McGowan]: being in a very super roar area

and what most people would think of would

[Nick McGowan]: just be kind of farm land and

just doing kind of the heavy lifting work

[Casey Stubbs]: so the way that i was out

in that rural area

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: is that my dad was a decent

mechanic and he worked in a gold mine

[Casey Stubbs]: that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: was out in the middle of nowhere

out in the mountains and so

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Casey Stubbs]: he was working on the big trucks

would haul out the dirt and big dumb

[Casey Stubbs]: trucks and stuff like that so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: he was a stock guy as well

he would buy stocks and i was into

[Casey Stubbs]: computers and he didn’t know anything about

computers because that was early nineties when the

[Casey Stubbs]: stocks first started

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: to get online and then he’s like

hey i need to figure out how

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: to set up this computer i don’t

know what i’m doing so i helped him

[Casey Stubbs]: set up the computer and then i

was like wow stocks these are really cool

[Casey Stubbs]: you can actually make money at this

so i got really excited about that as

[Casey Stubbs]: a young like sixteen year old like

wow this is really cool and so to

[Casey Stubbs]: define trading for you trading is basically

just buying and selling ox

[Nick McGowan]: hm so when i think of day

trader i think if somebody that’s got fifteen

[Nick McGowan]: different screens in front of them and

looking at all things with all these different

[Nick McGowan]: red and green lines and all the

stuff they need to go through that seems

[Nick McGowan]: like that would be pretty crazy just

from aging your mind set through all of

[Nick McGowan]: that let alone the rest of life

but even just the look you give when

[Nick McGowan]: when i say that doesn’t sound like

that’s actual reality

[Casey Stubbs]: so yeah fifteen monitors is not i

only am looking at six right now as

[Casey Stubbs]: i talk to you and i’ve got

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Casey Stubbs]: your face

[Nick McGowan]: good

[Casey Stubbs]: on all six monitors so if you

see me going all over the place it’s

[Nick McGowan]: um

[Casey Stubbs]: because i yeah

[Nick McGowan]: m uh uh

[Casey Stubbs]: but

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: you know it is kind of stressful

but i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Casey Stubbs]: do have six monitors but that’s not

a big deal what is really the challenge

[Casey Stubbs]: and it’s not stressful if you manage

your mindset but the big challenge is

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: self mastery right because trading is really

quite simple

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Casey Stubbs]: hard part is self mastery

[Nick McGowan]: what do you mean by that

[Casey Stubbs]: so when you’re trading you have to

have a risk management plan and when you’re

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: trading uh it’s really important that you

learn the foundational skills that are necessary to

[Casey Stubbs]: be successful and so i would say

a good percentage of the people that start

[Casey Stubbs]: especially with this new covid thing when

everybody was trying to make money in the

[Casey Stubbs]: markets after they got were working from


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: they try to get into the market

to get a lot of money fast and

[Casey Stubbs]: they’re trying to it’s basically like a

casino they think they can come in some

[Casey Stubbs]: money

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: down and walk out with a big

check it’s like going to the know we

[Casey Stubbs]: just had the billion dollar lottery you

can’t you know everybody’s throwing down money trying

[Casey Stubbs]: to get the billion dollars but

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: the reality is you can’t really solve

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Casey Stubbs]: a financial problem unless you solve the

financial problem and usually that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: financial problem is looking at yourself in

the mirror because you don’t know how

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: to financially you don’t self master you

don’t know how to manage money and so

[Casey Stubbs]: if you can’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: solve that problem trading is not going

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: to help you go in to a

casino is not going to help you and

[Casey Stubbs]: win in the lottery is not going

to help

[Nick McGowan]: make

[Casey Stubbs]: you

[Nick McGowan]: it worse yeah it’s funny how many

how many stories there are with people that

[Nick McGowan]: win the lottery and then there are

completely bankrupt within a couple of years because

[Nick McGowan]: you didn’t fix the problem you didn’t

help learn how to use their money you

[Nick McGowan]: just gave em a whole but load

of it and you’re like here you go

[Nick McGowan]: by whatever random things you want have

at it

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you don’t have any more it’s been

twenty four months what happened

[Casey Stubbs]: well

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Casey Stubbs]: the secret is number one don’t tell

your family of friends

[Nick McGowan]: yeah exactly i’ve seen people

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: show up and get the pictures with

like the giant check and like a scream

[Nick McGowan]: mask or something like no one knows

who i am

[Casey Stubbs]: so so what is your thoughts on

the lottery with the big billion dollar pat

[Casey Stubbs]: are you like getting into

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: involved with that

[Nick McGowan]: not really honestly i’m one of those

people where like if i hear of power

[Nick McGowan]: ball or something crazy and i’m at

the grocery store and it comes to mind

[Nick McGowan]: while i’m like near the machine and

i actually have cash on me then yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll go do it but for the

most point like i don’t really care i

[Nick McGowan]: don’t think like oh my god that

would be crazy if i want all that

[Nick McGowan]: money now it’s interesting to like dream

about that what if and what would you

[Nick McGowan]: do because i think every single person

has thought that as soon as you learn

[Nick McGowan]: like there’s an opportunity you could make

millions or billions or even like a hundred

[Nick McGowan]: and fifty bucks you’re like what would

i do with that how would i go

[Nick McGowan]: about using it blab but it’s not

like i look at that and bank on

[Nick McGowan]: it i’m glad that you bring this

up because i was actually at a u

[Nick McGowan]: i was at some rest not a

restaurant like this little shop that was attached

[Nick McGowan]: to a restaurant in this guy i

was buying some basically like twenty or thirty

[Nick McGowan]: dollar lottery tickets like the higher dollar

lottery tickets not your dollar scratch off sort

[Nick McGowan]: of deal and he was super picky

about the one that he wanted he wanted

[Nick McGowan]: this one that he just saying forty

like the fortieth one like that one and

[Nick McGowan]: as soon as he got it he

he just shook

[Casey Stubbs]: m

[Nick McGowan]: and was excited like he got this

golden ticket from willy banka was like man

[Nick McGowan]: you didn’t even do anything yet did

as you paid for it like you have

[Nick McGowan]: no idea what’s on it you know

like he could have been walked out and

[Nick McGowan]: he’s like i made three dollars like

i got super excited but he was all

[Nick McGowan]: excited and it was like the thrill

of that tential to be able to get

[Nick McGowan]: all of that money

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and i could see in this guy’s

eyes that he was just in it for

[Nick McGowan]: that thrill so if that guy would

have won that money i don’t know what

[Nick McGowan]: he would have done you know it’s

almost like you can’t really tell what somebody’s

[Nick McGowan]: going to do in that situation until

something actually happens like how people are like

[Nick McGowan]: oh if somebody had a gun in

my head or i d punch him in

[Nick McGowan]: the face i would do this i

would that

[Casey Stubbs]: right

[Nick McGowan]: s like meanwhile somebody has a gun

to their head there in the corner their

[Nick McGowan]: pants

[Casey Stubbs]: i

[Nick McGowan]: are soaked

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and they are just crying like a

little baby

[Casey Stubbs]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: you know

[Casey Stubbs]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: but you know

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: they acted tough

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: in theory

[Casey Stubbs]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Casey Stubbs]: h

[Nick McGowan]: you don’t really know until that stuff

happens now have you ever have you ever

[Nick McGowan]: played and won anything substantial

[Casey Stubbs]: you know i’m not really into it

i actually never do it but i just

[Casey Stubbs]: couldn’t help it laughing because i’m the


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: you were describing me because i’m the

guy in my head that has all these

[Casey Stubbs]: scenarios like if something happens

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: i’m going to be like a hero

because i used to work at a gas

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: station you know and as the teller

you know the guy who and those guys

[Casey Stubbs]: get robbed a lot so i was

like i had my plan it was pretty

[Nick McGowan]: u

[Casey Stubbs]: funny but who knows what actually

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Casey Stubbs]: do but i do think that if

you plan in advance

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: it helps

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: because i’ve been in a lot of

situations where knowing what to do in advance

[Casey Stubbs]: has helped me and i think

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: you nailed it when you said you

know what would you do with the money

[Casey Stubbs]: right you could have asked that guy

like hey man what are you going to

[Casey Stubbs]: do if you’re going to win and

i even think about it like what would

[Casey Stubbs]: i do it because you know

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: i have tried to have plans for

all my money and if i was going

[Nick McGowan]: yah

[Casey Stubbs]: to win i would really want to

plan even beforehand

[Nick McGowan]: yeah big time well that’s that’s a

step that i think a lot of people

[Nick McGowan]: want to do but then when they

think about doing even like a simple home

[Nick McGowan]: budget

[Casey Stubbs]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: the like you know it’s kind of

a pain i got to jump and this

[Nick McGowan]: thing now granted there are the people

and some of them listen to this show

[Nick McGowan]: where they’re like are kidding me i

love that i live for this like finances

[Nick McGowan]: or numbers that is their jam and

then there are a lot of people where

[Nick McGowan]: they just don’t because it brings up

for them things that they have to stop

[Nick McGowan]: doing where they’re like oh i have

to stop buying this i have to stop

[Nick McGowan]: going to get this or that and


[Casey Stubbs]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: go back to what we were kind

of talking about a little bit before it’s

[Nick McGowan]: not as much about being restrictive and

that sort of stuff as it is just

[Nick McGowan]: understanding the core base of it and

fixing your own problems with it so how

[Nick McGowan]: do you how do you go about

helping people with that that are struggling and

[Nick McGowan]: say hey want to make more money

i want to get into trading i want

[Nick McGowan]: o do things but you know that

clearly there’s some let’s say mental problems or

[Nick McGowan]: you know some bad patterns that they

have in their life where they’re going to

[Nick McGowan]: they’re just going to botch it if

they get in

[Casey Stubbs]: well i think you made a great

point when you said that not so much

[Casey Stubbs]: as

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: restricting don’t look at it as restricting

and say i can’t have this think about

[Casey Stubbs]: what it is that you’re trying to

accomplish right i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: think that vision is the number one

thing because if you don’t have a vision

[Casey Stubbs]: for your life then you don’t really

have anything reason to save right so i’m

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: not going to spend on this so

that i can later on spend on this

[Casey Stubbs]: other thing that is going to be

much greater than the thing that i’m putting

[Casey Stubbs]: aside right now and can decide for

now later on if i want to get

[Casey Stubbs]: it since i’m accomplishing my goals i

can have as much as that as i

[Casey Stubbs]: possibly want like here’s a great example

and i’m not really answering your question but

[Casey Stubbs]: i’ll just when i was young a

young man

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: i joined the army and i was

making eight hundred bucks a month right and

[Casey Stubbs]: that’s not a lot of money when

i left four years later i had thirty

[Casey Stubbs]: thousand dollars in stocks trading just because

i was i had a vision for doing

[Casey Stubbs]: something with my life and everybody else

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: around me they all live in pay

check to pay check we all made the

[Casey Stubbs]: same money but they were broke and

i was rich what’s the difference

[Nick McGowan]: hm and yeah it’s got to it’s

tough you’re in a situation where you have

[Nick McGowan]: to live pay check to pay check

because some crazy thing happened and you need

[Nick McGowan]: to spend a lot of money like

if something breaks in your house and you

[Nick McGowan]: have to replace the entire a c

and there goes fifteen k just out of

[Nick McGowan]: a savings

[Casey Stubbs]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: account

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that can be really really tough for

most people but that’s a it’s a rarity

[Nick McGowan]: right it’s not like something that happens

all the time fact sees specifically you’re supposed

[Nick McGowan]: to last you basically fifteen twenty years

or whatever it is but prepping for that

[Nick McGowan]: without driving yourself crazy and being kind

of a doomsday financial prepare how do you

[Nick McGowan]: suggest that somebody go about doing that

on a tactical level that they can actually

[Nick McGowan]: start using

[Casey Stubbs]: a great tactical

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: level is to plan for it right

so if you own a house you have

[Casey Stubbs]: a ten percent maintenance offset so in

my budget i automatically have maintenance right so

[Casey Stubbs]: it’s not being it’s kind of weird

because it’s not being touched and so a

[Casey Stubbs]: lot of people will the reason they

live patriot check as they look at their

[Casey Stubbs]: bank account and they’re like okay i

got a thousand bucks right i’m going to

[Casey Stubbs]: go spend that but if you say


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: ten percent ten per cent that’s that’s

maintenance money so every time ten

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: per cent goes off and it’s or

whatever the percentage is so just planning for

[Casey Stubbs]: that and the more that you spend

on it the better you get it learning

[Casey Stubbs]: to budget and plan your expenses

[Nick McGowan]: now how did you tie that into

how you go about trading and looking at

[Nick McGowan]: what to trade

[Casey Stubbs]: so with trading it’s very similar because

i have i have a risk tolerance for

[Casey Stubbs]: trade so if i if i’m going

to buy amazon i’ll buy a bunch of

[Casey Stubbs]: shares of amazon and i’m like okay

i’m going to put in an area that

[Casey Stubbs]: if this trade goes against me i’m

getting out so i’m going to say okay

[Casey Stubbs]: if i get in it i’m losing

five hundred dollars i’m just going to close

[Casey Stubbs]: the trade and then that’s a five

hundred dollar loss but i’m saving the bulk

[Casey Stubbs]: of my money to enter in at

a better time and so then the next

[Casey Stubbs]: time if i lose five hundred the

next time i’ll get in i might make

[Casey Stubbs]: a thousand or five thousand dollars even

so taking a five hundred dollar loss is

[Casey Stubbs]: not a big deal when you could

later on make five thousand dollars and so

[Casey Stubbs]: it’s a probability you know

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: there’s no way to

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: be a great trader you can pick

really good trades i’m not saying that’s not

[Casey Stubbs]: possible yes you can do that but

there’s no way to be a hundred per

[Casey Stubbs]: cent you have to understand how risk

management works in trading

[Nick McGowan]: now how do you tie that to

kind of daily life to be able to

[Nick McGowan]: manage not only your mindset but the

risk that you take because you also

[Casey Stubbs]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: stated you have nine kids and if

everything went down with all of your trades

[Nick McGowan]: and you lost all of your money

i feel like you would still be all

[Nick McGowan]: right like you seemed like that type

of guy that you’d figured out obviously that

[Nick McGowan]: would suck and it would be terrible

but you’d figure it out and the fact

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you said you’ve planned i’m sure you’ve

thought of that so what happened what would

[Nick McGowan]: happen if that were to happen

[Casey Stubbs]: so that’s a great question

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Casey Stubbs]: first of all it’s

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: not going to happen because i just

stop if i have a bad day i

[Casey Stubbs]: just stop right because i come back

[Nick McGowan]: good

[Casey Stubbs]: i refresh and reset and all i

can tell you my process and my

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: mind set sto but in a bit

but to answer your question yeah i would

[Casey Stubbs]: be okay because of planning and then

i also have multiple streams of revenue because

[Casey Stubbs]: i’m a marketer i have my

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: website i make money from my website

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: part of the marketing budget that i

use as i sell sell traffic right so

[Casey Stubbs]: i

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: i’m a traffic guy

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: i sell traffic so i generate leads

and i sell traffic have an online course

[Casey Stubbs]: that i sell so i have mult

bull streams of revenue and then trading is

[Casey Stubbs]: one of those streams

[Nick McGowan]: gotcha okay

[Casey Stubbs]: my

[Nick McGowan]: cool

[Casey Stubbs]: podcast

[Nick McGowan]: eat

[Casey Stubbs]: over podcast that’s monetized

[Nick McGowan]: yeah i love that and especially as

you and i both know podcasting is huge

[Nick McGowan]: especially for degeneration and brand awareness and

scratches so many of those things but then

[Nick McGowan]: also opens you up to new conversant

is to be able to get into stuff

[Nick McGowan]: with people that could either become a

new client or something that you learn and

[Nick McGowan]: you’re able to toss in your into

your work so most of the people that

[Nick McGowan]: listen to the show i don’t think

i have a high percent age of traders

[Nick McGowan]: as full time but m not entirely

sure there may be a lot more than

[Nick McGowan]: what i what i think about but

i think at the core principles that you

[Nick McGowan]: use in your trading you manage your

mind set walk us through that what does

[Nick McGowan]: that look like what are some of

the protocols that you go through

[Casey Stubbs]: m okay so i really believe that

as human beings especially high performance right so

[Casey Stubbs]: i look at myself as a high

performance person like an athlete if you’re a

[Casey Stubbs]: business person you want to be high

performance if you are

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: rat or you want to be high

performance if you’re an athlete you want to

[Casey Stubbs]: be high performance i think if you’re

a human being you want to be high

[Casey Stubbs]: performance that’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: my mind set

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: okay so i have a daily routine

and part of being high performance is to

[Casey Stubbs]: give myself

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Casey Stubbs]: space space

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: to think because because my mind is

the biggest super computer that i have and

[Casey Stubbs]: so i don’t want

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: to be sitting here glued i phone

in the mornings

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: i just don’t do it discipline myself

and i don’t get on my phone i

[Casey Stubbs]: don’t go through social media what i

do is i sit back i chill and

[Casey Stubbs]: i get my no book right and

i start writing and i start reading and

[Casey Stubbs]: i have a step by step daily

process that i do and so it’s a

[Casey Stubbs]: daily routine that includes reading includes prayer

includes exercise journaling daily planning nutrition hydration right

[Casey Stubbs]: and that’s the very first thing i

do all of that

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: every single day before i even sit

down at a computer

[Nick McGowan]: i love that it’s funny as you

read that off i can i can think

[Nick McGowan]: from somebody else’s perspective of oh my

god that is a ton of stuff that

[Nick McGowan]: needs to be done but in all

reality that could be done in fifteen it’s

[Nick McGowan]: like if you really needed to do

it in a pinch you can do it

[Nick McGowan]: in fifteen minutes and you can stretch

it out to however long you want how

[Nick McGowan]: long is your typical morning routine

[Casey Stubbs]: so for me it’s like it to

be about an hour and a half but

[Casey Stubbs]: like you said it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: is very it can be fast if

i need to because part of my journaling

[Casey Stubbs]: is

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: i have a systematic formula for it

so like okay trading

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Casey Stubbs]: what am i going to risk

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: today what’s my mind set for the

day i ask my quest self questions okay

[Casey Stubbs]: what’s my emotions

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: you know how do i

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: feel because of motions can self sabotage

am i experiencing any how am i not

[Casey Stubbs]: going to self savatage myself am i

experience in negative emotions did i get enough

[Casey Stubbs]: sleep you know so i’m asked

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: answering myself these specific questions then i

like to go through belief right like faith

[Casey Stubbs]: i believe that i’m going to do

well i believe that i’m going to follow

[Casey Stubbs]: the rules i believe that if i

fall the system that it’s going to work

[Casey Stubbs]: because

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: if you’re goin a do somethin ou

got to believe that it’s going to work

[Casey Stubbs]: right

[Nick McGowan]: we don’t do it

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: come on now so i know we

haven’t really touched on the faith part but

[Nick McGowan]: even in your bio it says that

you’re leader in the local church you’ve touched

[Nick McGowan]: on the faith a bit and

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i’m similar faith as well

[Casey Stubbs]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: but how does that tie into what

you do because when i think of three

[Nick McGowan]: times there are people especially on the

christian side of things at a you know

[Nick McGowan]: money is the root of all evil

and that is complete worship because it’s not

[Nick McGowan]: it’s it’s

[Casey Stubbs]: totally

[Nick McGowan]: root to

[Casey Stubbs]: so

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Casey Stubbs]: so

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Casey Stubbs]: so there’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: a verse in the bible that says

that the love of money

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: is the root of all evil or

it’s actually doesn’t even say that of all

[Casey Stubbs]: kinds of evil and so it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: not money it’s the love and what

that means is if you care more about

[Casey Stubbs]: money than you do about people in

your life then that’s pretty

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: rotten right and it doesn’t matter

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: what religion you are you can pretty

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: much

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Casey Stubbs]: agree

[Nick McGowan]: just terrible

[Casey Stubbs]: with that right so you you got

to take it in context and there are

[Casey Stubbs]: some believers you know so quote unquote

good people that think like that and that’s

[Casey Stubbs]: just wrong thinking money is a

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: tool right so money is totally neutral

and what you do with it your actions

[Casey Stubbs]: of what you do with money is

good or evil but money itself

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: is totally neutral

[Nick McGowan]: yeah and i love that you pointed

out the

[Casey Stubbs]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: all kinds of evil because it’s not

even saying just all evil totally everything evil

[Nick McGowan]: is just

[Casey Stubbs]: right

[Nick McGowan]: related directly to money

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: or the love of oh

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but it’s all kinds of things and

even the fact to talk about context you

[Nick McGowan]: and i are talking about the context

from what that was written in but maybe

[Nick McGowan]: not the direct context to the actual

time that it was written in and what

[Nick McGowan]: that meant to those people which is

vastly could be vastly different than what we

[Nick McGowan]: think of now i read a book

years ago i think it was called jesus

[Nick McGowan]: and blue jeans and in the beginning

of the book the lady was talking about

[Nick McGowan]: how she had a dream and some

guys walking up in jean’s and then she

[Nick McGowan]: realized it was jesus and she was

like what are you doing

[Casey Stubbs]: i

[Nick McGowan]: like why are you wearing jeans in

dream and he’s like well i come to

[Nick McGowan]: you and gens because that’s what you

wear i wore

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: sandals and robes and things because that’s

what they wore

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so here we are

[Casey Stubbs]: that’s

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Casey Stubbs]: so

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Casey Stubbs]: funny

[Nick McGowan]: context can be

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah they text can be king

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: there you know you got to be

able to kind of tie that in so

[Nick McGowan]: how do you look at the trades

and all you do with your faith along

[Nick McGowan]: with that is that more principle

[Casey Stubbs]: m

[Nick McGowan]: based or is it very

[Casey Stubbs]: my

[Nick McGowan]: legalistic sense

[Casey Stubbs]: so i’m principle based you know i

think that trading is very principled and business

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: wise on principle i think principles are

really important and in a business

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: you’ve got to find really key principles

there’s just a lot of craziness that happens

[Casey Stubbs]: in the world you know i don’t

know if you follow what’s going on in

[Casey Stubbs]: crypto but f t x big big

firm went out of business

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: right and that’s all

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: principal stuff the guy who owned it

very young guy very inexperienced and i feel

[Casey Stubbs]: for him he made a ton of

mistakes and everyone wants to kill him and

[Casey Stubbs]: you know he did it but he

didn’t know what

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: he was doing really i think it

was just an experience and not having enough

[Casey Stubbs]: education on how to manage a balance

sheet really it was just a balance sheet

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: thing he just didn’t have any idea

how much money he was out of sorts

[Nick McGowan]: yeah and that was that’s insane with

all of that so let’s touch on that

[Nick McGowan]: a bit because i know

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: some of the audience is either deep

into crypto and they’re feeling that pain and

[Nick McGowan]: kind of going along the bobs and

ups and downs of that water but how

[Nick McGowan]: do you feel about that and how

does that relate to what you do

[Casey Stubbs]: so i still am a big supporter

of bit coin and other a couple of

[Casey Stubbs]: other cryptoes but mainly bit coin because

[Nick McGowan]: the stable

[Casey Stubbs]: the

[Nick McGowan]: coins

[Casey Stubbs]: idea is so cool because it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: the problem with f t x is

that it was operating like a bank the

[Casey Stubbs]: reason that they went out of business

is because they took customer funds and they

[Casey Stubbs]: were using those funds to make money

and what does a bank do

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: a bank

[Nick McGowan]: exactly

[Casey Stubbs]: uses customer

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Casey Stubbs]: funds your bank Nick only had a

very tiny tiny percentage of your money right

[Casey Stubbs]: so it’s like one percent or something

you know it’s very small

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: right so if

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: everybody makes it just like in this

great depression if everybody makes a bank run

[Casey Stubbs]: they’re gone

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: right and that’s what happened with f

t x because the competitor the owner of

[Casey Stubbs]: buynance their number one com competitor says

we’re selling all of our f t x

[Casey Stubbs]: token we don’t trust them and so

then everybody else did what binding s did

[Casey Stubbs]: and everybody

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: made a bank run at the same

time and it crashed him

[Nick McGowan]: man

[Casey Stubbs]: right so it was partially a competitive

maneuver by the founder of finance and so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: this could happen to your bank it

could happen anywhere but the key thing about

[Casey Stubbs]: crypto is that you’re supposed to have

protection because you’re supposed to be holding your

[Casey Stubbs]: crypto in your own wallet and your

own code

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: offline right then you’re not the whole

idea of crypto the whole recent it was

[Casey Stubbs]: created was because you don’t have to

trust a bank right and now

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: sudden they’re like oh well here let’s

make a crypto bank and we’re going to

[Casey Stubbs]: trust

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: these crypto banks hold our money

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: well you just run and run into

the exact same problem with the original bank

[Casey Stubbs]: i was just listening to michael sailor

who is a really big bit coin enthusiast

[Casey Stubbs]: he’s a billionaire and he said look

you can’t trust somebody with that kind of

[Casey Stubbs]: power right when you got

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: one person who’s controlling billions and billions

and billions of dollars it’s so much pressure

[Casey Stubbs]: on an individual just take responsibility and

put it in your own hand and store

[Casey Stubbs]: your bit coin in your wallet

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah she’s yeah it’s crazy i

think of the competitive maneuver keeps coming to

[Nick McGowan]: mind because that is a solid play


[Casey Stubbs]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: finance to go we’re pushing this button

and everybody else is just going to flush

[Nick McGowan]: the system

[Casey Stubbs]: yea he knew that

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Casey Stubbs]: he had

[Nick McGowan]: interestin

[Casey Stubbs]: he had a week end

[Nick McGowan]: yeah what a what a play like

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: on one hand i love the the

sales play of that like the business kind

[Nick McGowan]: of play of it but it also

ties into the mind set of how these

[Nick McGowan]: people work you

[Casey Stubbs]: right

[Nick McGowan]: know when somebody is in that spot

somebody else can come along

[Casey Stubbs]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: and just literally take their lunch from

them by hitting one button and knowing which

[Nick McGowan]: button to push that’s the biggest thing

and i think there’s a lot of people

[Nick McGowan]: that they have no idea what button

to push they have no idea how to

[Nick McGowan]: do it and they would be scared

shipless to actually hit the button in themselves

[Casey Stubbs]: right

[Nick McGowan]: so if we

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: just separate from business it’s just this

within yourself so tying back to the finances

[Casey Stubbs]: m

[Nick McGowan]: i think there are a lot of

people that can live pay check to pay

[Nick McGowan]: check and we’ve all experience that at

one point or another hopefully it’s not a

[Nick McGowan]: consistent consistent problem but you experience that

then you do things to be able to

[Nick McGowan]: get out of it so let’s say

somebody’s in that spot right now where they’re

[Nick McGowan]: like look i’m living pay check to

pay check i want to be able to

[Nick McGowan]: get out of this what sort of

tactical advice would you give them to be

[Nick McGowan]: able to do that

[Casey Stubbs]: well that’s a great question Nick and

i almost wanted to turn one one question

[Casey Stubbs]: around to you so i might counter

this answer with a question just

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Casey Stubbs]: because i’m curious um i recommend from

what my friend blake told

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Casey Stubbs]: me who was a guest on my

show he’s a really successful currency trader and

[Casey Stubbs]: he says hey when you’re digging a

hole first thing you need to do is

[Casey Stubbs]: drop the shovel so if you’re living

pay check to pay check there’s a reason

[Casey Stubbs]: and it’s usually because you’re digging a


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: right so just

[Nick McGowan]: yep

[Casey Stubbs]: drop the shovel and in this case

it means stop spending immediately

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: immediy go to your budget and find

out all the excess and you know spend

[Casey Stubbs]: some time go over it with a

fine tooth comb and cut cut cut look

[Casey Stubbs]: i have been there in business i’ve

been there i’ve over i’ve made so many

[Nick McGowan]: m oh

[Casey Stubbs]: mistakes in business i’ve overleveraged i’ve poured

on the

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: gas too high i’ve gotten into debt

because i’m trying to grow so fast and

[Casey Stubbs]: the next thing you know i’m in

a huge hole i’m thinking i’m the best

[Casey Stubbs]: business guy ever i get it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: but at the end of the day

the way that i survived was i just

[Casey Stubbs]: started cutting and sometimes that means in

business i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: mean gotta let people go and that

sucks like that’s not

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: fun i hated doing that and i

still hate doing and i still have to

[Casey Stubbs]: do it sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: but um so that’s what i would

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: do just really stop spinning and then

once you get leveled out you come up

[Casey Stubbs]: with a plan right so the question

i want to

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: ask you is if you ever saw

the movie the founder because there was a

[Casey Stubbs]: really good play on that as well

because the owner of it was the owner

[Casey Stubbs]: of macdonald’s and he stole

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: business

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: from the mc donalds brothers

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: and he was really

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: brutal

[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah i’ve not seen the founder

but i’ve read about that story

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and basically how he was like you

guys don’t want this any more i know

[Nick McGowan]: and it’s trash right total trash yeah

we’re just going to do away with just

[Nick McGowan]: give it give it to me like

we’re totally good and that’s such a wild

[Nick McGowan]: thing where yeah all of that like

so even when you’re taking about the finance

[Nick McGowan]: guy that will be a thing that

comes up in ten fifteen twenty years where

[Nick McGowan]: people will look at that and you

know peel it a part

[Casey Stubbs]: they

[Nick McGowan]: of it

[Casey Stubbs]: might make

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Casey Stubbs]: a

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Casey Stubbs]: movie

[Nick McGowan]: tarting to do

[Casey Stubbs]: someday

[Nick McGowan]: it now oh god yeah actually on

that note and the way things move this

[Nick McGowan]: might be a movie that comes out

in twenty twenty five

[Casey Stubbs]: Nick you need to start

[Nick McGowan]: they’re

[Casey Stubbs]: writing

[Nick McGowan]: already

[Casey Stubbs]: the script

[Nick McGowan]: working

[Casey Stubbs]: now

[Nick McGowan]: on it

[Casey Stubbs]: start writing

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Casey Stubbs]: the

[Nick McGowan]: happening

[Casey Stubbs]: script

[Nick McGowan]: all right that’s it the podcast episode

is over i got a script of right

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: all right um man that’s interesting but

yeah so good points about being able to

[Nick McGowan]: cut stuff out and i think even

for the people that don’t live pay check

[Nick McGowan]: to pay check the people that are

mega rich all of that they still have

[Nick McGowan]: to look for things because you can

hemorage a little bit out of time and

[Nick McGowan]: that turns into bigger things i’ve had

something even even over this summer where you

[Nick McGowan]: know i budget out and i do

all my stuff and i’ve got different

[Casey Stubbs]: a

[Nick McGowan]: accounts and all the things you know

and like all square way and at one

[Nick McGowan]: point i had a month where i

just had like an extra couple grand that

[Nick McGowan]: i was spending and i was like

where the hell the hell did i spend

[Nick McGowan]: what did i spend that on

[Casey Stubbs]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: and a couple hobbies so i was

like oh i really is what i was

[Nick McGowan]: doing where i would get up on

a saturday morning go get coffee and be

[Nick McGowan]: out for a couple hours and spend

some money on the hobbies and i was

[Nick McGowan]: like i can make a change with

that by just not going out to get

[Nick McGowan]: coffee one day a week

[Casey Stubbs]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: and even if i do i cannot

go to certain amount of stores or one

[Nick McGowan]: store or whatever one day a week

and being able to kind of change that

[Nick McGowan]: a little bit so again back to

the restrictive thing it’s not as much of

[Nick McGowan]: a rest riction as it is to

go well how do i do this differently

[Nick McGowan]: and how do you still get that

pleasure out of it or whatever you’re trying

[Nick McGowan]: to get out of it so and

i appreciate you being on i appreciate your

[Nick McGowan]: jumping through all this stuff and everything

we’ve talked about what what sort of advice

[Nick McGowan]: would you give to somebody that’s on

their path towards self mastery

[Casey Stubbs]: so the big thing with with self

mastery is understanding that it’s a process right

[Casey Stubbs]: so it’s a process and i really

believe that it starts with vision i didn’t

[Casey Stubbs]: mention that get a vision you know

figure out what you want to do with

[Casey Stubbs]: your life and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: you know i read a lot of

books about it i read one called live

[Casey Stubbs]: forward by michel hit i read another

one called vision vivid vision by cameron harold

[Casey Stubbs]: and i’ve used those to help me

play my vision and the other thing is

[Casey Stubbs]: that your mind is a real powerful

tool mastery discipline is hard but you can

[Casey Stubbs]: train

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: your mind if you work at it

right in another book that i was just

[Casey Stubbs]: reading was called cleaning up your mental

mess with dr carolyn leaf and she has

[Casey Stubbs]: a process that she calls a neurocycle

and it’s it’s finding a habit that you

[Casey Stubbs]: want to change and it’s just it’s

a synops right it goes from one side

[Casey Stubbs]: of the brain

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: to the other and it’s an addictive

thing that you just got to build new

[Casey Stubbs]: rain wires you literally have to

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: re wire your brain is like getting

inside of a computer and moving wires around

[Casey Stubbs]: and change it and you are in

control of the computer you can make excuses

[Casey Stubbs]: and say my computers met up and

i can’t do this i jerk i messed

[Casey Stubbs]: up my brain i’m triggered or whatever

or you can re wire you know people

[Casey Stubbs]: are triggered you can re wire your

brain and so here’s the it’s a five

[Casey Stubbs]: step profecenumber process number one is she

says to use awareness right so you just

[Casey Stubbs]: think about it then number two is

reflection right so you’re aware if the problem

[Casey Stubbs]: were of the thing you want to

change the number two as you reflect on

[Casey Stubbs]: it and then the third part is

to journal right you write okay this is

[Casey Stubbs]: it due to do again that’s the

process of using your mind and letting your

[Casey Stubbs]: mind work and putting hand to paper

it’s a mental process and then the fourth

[Casey Stubbs]: step in the neuro cycle is to

read ses to think about it again and

[Casey Stubbs]: then the last step is an action

right so when you if you’re trying to

[Casey Stubbs]: change something and discipline

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: okay i have this

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: negative thought about i want to change

not spending that five dollars at star bucks

[Casey Stubbs]: right okay awareness what do i what

thought process goes in my mind when i

[Casey Stubbs]: want a coffee okay

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Casey Stubbs]: now i’m aware of it okay and

then you you journal it out and then

[Casey Stubbs]: you say okay next time that thought

comes into my mind what’s my action step

[Casey Stubbs]: how

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: am i going to fix it it

so then you write your action step and

[Casey Stubbs]: then you just do that every day

until you change your habit and she said

[Casey Stubbs]: and this is a little bit overwhelming


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: it doesn’t have to take long she

said it’s sixty three days to change to

[Casey Stubbs]: require completely

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Casey Stubbs]: require your brain and so so that’s

what i do i do that and then

[Casey Stubbs]: i just worked on one thing at

a time and there’s a couple of other

[Casey Stubbs]: resources i’ve mentioned a lot o also

atomic habits by james clear

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Casey Stubbs]: you know

[Nick McGowan]: course

[Casey Stubbs]: that’s another really good one to use

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Casey Stubbs]: and then um john as ruff didn’t

read a book of his but i follow

[Casey Stubbs]: him on twitter and he’s a brain

expert to he says that your brain prioritizes

[Casey Stubbs]: the things that you think about right

so again that’s going back and thinking and

[Casey Stubbs]: letting your brain do the work for

you and it will prirtoprioritize it but you

[Casey Stubbs]: have to take attention have social media

we have a lot of things we’re not

[Casey Stubbs]: focusing but if we put our attention

on things that allows your brain to do

[Casey Stubbs]: what it’s created to do

[Nick McGowan]: bsolutely that’s a great way to end

this man again i appreciate your time i

[Nick McGowan]: appreciate being on before we let you

go where can everybody find you and where

[Nick McGowan]: can they connect with you

[Casey Stubbs]: so my website is trading strategy guides

dot com and i have a gift for

[Casey Stubbs]: people that were listening if they’re interested

in learning about trading it’s trading strategy guides

[Casey Stubbs]: dot um forward slash podcast i have

like a free guide that they can get

[Casey Stubbs]: on teaching them how to trade

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: and if they go there too they

can connect with me on facebook and

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Casey Stubbs]: twitter and linked in because you know

that where we connected i’m very pretty active

[Casey Stubbs]: on social so if you want to

ask me a question or connect with me

[Casey Stubbs]: on there i’m very connectable

[Nick McGowan]: absolutely

[Casey Stubbs]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i’m goin to test that especially on

linked in know we’ve gotten some good conversations

[Nick McGowan]: through some good chats and all that

on different people’s post and even some of

[Nick McGowan]: our own again case it’s been absolutely

awesome to have you on the show man

[Nick McGowan]: i appreciate your time thank you so


[Casey Stubbs]: thanks Nick

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