How One Simple Question Changed Kevin’s Life Forever – Ep.63 – Kevin Palmieri

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Episode summary:​  Kevin Palmieri is a successful podcaster, but becoming this podcaster was no easy road. It started with Kevin working a regular job and making good money. 

From the outside, it looked like he had it all. He had money, a girlfriend, a house, cars, tattoos, and everything most of us think about, yet, he was miserable enough to debate suicide.

Knowing there was no choice, he quit his job and promised that he would never clock in for anyone else ever again. 

He took a giant leap of faith, and the only goal right now was just to get rent paid. Starting something new from scratch takes a little while before money comes in, so Kevin struggled with money, struggled to get to the studio, and struggled mentally, feeling like an imposter. He never gave up. 

He persistently kept pushing forward. Eventually, everything started to come together.

Guest Name & Bio: Kevin is the founder and co-host of the Next Level University podcast. Early in his life, Kevin found “success”, but after a brush with suicide, he realized he wasn´t living the life he truly wanted. 

He became passionate about self-improvement and decided to make it his purpose in life to impact as many people as possible by becoming a role model podcaster and speaker. He has succeeded to make his podcast one of the top 100 with over 1000 episodes and listened in over 125 countries. 

He has taken his life to the next level and achieved both personal and professional success.

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[Nick McGowan]: Hey Kevin welcome to the

show how you doing

[Kevin Palmieri]: i am doing well Nick thank you

so much for having me and we had

[Kevin Palmieri]: a little conversation behind the scenes but

i’m excited to see where we go in

[Kevin Palmieri]: front

[Nick McGowan]: yeah exactly especially man i love having

another podcast host on the show i have

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: them every so often and it’s stuff

like that where you start talking about the

[Nick McGowan]: ship that we talked about right before


[Kevin Palmieri]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: like a normal podcast though so dude

i appreciate

[Kevin Palmieri]: of

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Kevin Palmieri]: course

[Nick McGowan]: and you’ve had your show for a

long time you’re what over well over a

[Nick McGowan]: thousand episodes at this point

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah as of today one thousand one

hundred and forty one we recorded this morning

[Kevin Palmieri]: so yea we are we are across

the threshold that i never thought we would

[Kevin Palmieri]: get to

[Nick McGowan]: that’s awesome

[Kevin Palmieri]: thank you

[Nick McGowan]: so that’s one of the that’s one

of the reasons why i want to have

[Nick McGowan]: you on here but as the mind

set self mastery show there’s a lot of

[Nick McGowan]: ship that you’ve gone through that we’ll

kind of get into

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: and with you being a eleven hundred

plus episodes and i think you’re going to

[Nick McGowan]: be number sixty three for me

[Kevin Palmieri]: right

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Kevin Palmieri]: on

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve got a little way

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: is to catch up with you but

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: Kevin wanted you set the stage for

us man tell us what you do and

[Nick McGowan]: one thing that most people don’t know

about you that’s maybe a little odd or

[Nick McGowan]: bazar

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah so i am Kevin paul mary

i am the c f o the host

[Kevin Palmieri]: and the founder of next level university

where a global top one hundred podcast eleven

[Kevin Palmieri]: hundred and some lad episodes top one

hundred show listeners hundred andtwentyfive plus countries honestly

[Kevin Palmieri]: that is really me in a nutshell

i am a podcastor first entrepreneur speaker coach

[Kevin Palmieri]: but that all really comes second to

me and i would say something that most

[Kevin Palmieri]: people wouldn’t know because i don’t have

a ton of followers on social media is

[Kevin Palmieri]: i like wrapping i love wrapping i

feel very comfortable in front of this microphone

[Kevin Palmieri]: and somebody who never had any musical

inclination if you give me an hour to

[Kevin Palmieri]: bust out some some bars i can

usually do it pretty well pretty well

[Nick McGowan]: where did that come from did you

grow up listening to wrap where

[Kevin Palmieri]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: you in a household where your mom

just had like eighties wrap just blasting

[Kevin Palmieri]: no it’s it’s interesting i remember and

this was this was weird i remember nellie

[Kevin Palmieri]: dropped an album called country grammar i

believe that was one of his first albums

[Kevin Palmieri]: and i remember i listened to that

in my bedroom with my mom the unedited

[Kevin Palmieri]: version and i was like this

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: is unreasonably uncomfortable good

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: album it was a good album

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: but i remember i’m assuming you were

on aim a ol instant messenger

[Nick McGowan]: oh yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i was i was virtual with a

buddy of mine and we said hey let’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: try to run p i’ll say cat

you say fat i’ll say bat you say

[Kevin Palmieri]: pat let’s just wrap words rhyme words

back and forth and when we started to

[Kevin Palmieri]: get into like two three four five

syllables i realized that i could do it

[Kevin Palmieri]: and he couldn’t and

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: that for me was like oh maybe

i’m good at this like i understand the

[Kevin Palmieri]: syllables i understand the way it’s up

posed to flow okay cool and then i

[Kevin Palmieri]: started just writing on onfacebook notes and

that was really kind of the big in

[Kevin Palmieri]: for me

[Nick McGowan]: what a cool thing

[Kevin Palmieri]: right

[Nick McGowan]: so do you actually do you have

an album that you’re either dropping or you

[Nick McGowan]: want to tell us that

[Kevin Palmieri]: no

[Nick McGowan]: you’re like

[Kevin Palmieri]: no

[Nick McGowan]: you know i did this album like

ten years ago

[Kevin Palmieri]: no i think at some point i

probably will honestly but it’s hard right there’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: so much going on that i don’t

want to i don’t want to take time

[Kevin Palmieri]: away from the main thing to do

something like that when i know in the

[Kevin Palmieri]: future i’ll have them means in the

time to do to do more of that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: so in the future Nick i will

send it to you first until

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: then it

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: will remain behind behind closed doors

[Nick McGowan]: well it’s interesting that you say that

you know there’s i think there’s a thing

[Nick McGowan]: about being passionate about what you’re doing

loving what you’re doing

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: but you at times at least for

myself and a lot of people i talk

[Nick McGowan]: to they need to step the funk

away at times

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: like you have you ever found yourself

just kind of beating upon something where it

[Nick McGowan]: just takes you focusing your energy a

bit differently maybe wrapping or something just to

[Nick McGowan]: be able to kind of get out

of that space that you’re in

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah i’m a big i’m a big

mixed martial arts fan so when there’s

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Kevin Palmieri]: fight cards on i work i’ll work

in the morning on saturday but then i

[Kevin Palmieri]: kind of shut it down but the

thing about it is in a way the

[Kevin Palmieri]: goals that we have are dictating the

day to day so honestly no

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i haven’t shut it down in five

years really

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: like i haven’t taken a v i

haven’t taken a day off in probably five

[Kevin Palmieri]: is because the mission that we have

is to change the world and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: it’s not going to happen if i’m

out here bsnandhanging out there’s a lot that

[Kevin Palmieri]: has to go into it so but

i always and i always try to preface

[Kevin Palmieri]: that with look if you’re goals are

going o dictate the journey and it’s very

[Kevin Palmieri]: important that you understand that especially when

you’re setting big goals but also if you

[Kevin Palmieri]: want to be a millionaire quote unquote

that might not be as challenging as you

[Kevin Palmieri]: think you’re still you

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: know you be able to do vacation

and have weekends and go to the kids

[Kevin Palmieri]: sock or practice or whatever there’s there’s

an important understanding that your results that you

[Kevin Palmieri]: want are going to dictate the journey

and i try to make sure i’m folk

[Kevin Palmieri]: done that

[Nick McGowan]: that makes sense and i’m sure you’re

also smart enough there are times where you

[Nick McGowan]: just go all right i don’t want

to do this any more but you talked

[Nick McGowan]: about being able to step away so

kind of thinking through a week when maybe

[Nick McGowan]: there’s like a u f c or


[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: like that on mondays you’re like all


[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: maybe i need to crunch us a

little quicker because i don’t want saturday to

[Nick McGowan]: come bite me in the s

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: when i just want to go watch


[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah yeah a hundred percent the other

thing too though is we’re in this interesting

[Kevin Palmieri]: time now where finally demand has caught

up with supply so like there’s

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: an unreal amount of demand for my

time which i’m so grateful for we’ve been

[Kevin Palmieri]: working so hard for that but saturdays

it’s like there is coaching calls there’s podcast

[Kevin Palmieri]: there’s team stuff so saturday is now

working day too even if i do all

[Kevin Palmieri]: the work on monday through friday there’s

always going to be something to do saturday

[Kevin Palmieri]: sunday is family day i do not

do anything front facing sunday i’ll i’ll do

[Kevin Palmieri]: some behind the scene stuff and back

office work but only like three hours nothing

[Kevin Palmieri]: crazy on sundays

[Nick McGowan]: cha so

[Kevin Palmieri]: ye

[Nick McGowan]: let’s talk about the eleven hundred episodes

you’ve done

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so far i know there milestones ship


[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: when i first started people were telling

me if you get to do number one

[Nick McGowan]: that’s huge if you do ten most

people don’t get to ten

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: if you get to fifty or hundred

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but you’ve started to hit those clips

if you look back at some of those

[Nick McGowan]: and knowing the conversations you’ve had and

about this being about mind set and self

[Nick McGowan]: mastery how would you say that your

life has changed the course of those milestones

[Nick McGowan]: again you look back and go you

know it was about episode ninety eight where

[Nick McGowan]: things really changed

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: or you know four hundred twenty eight

you know

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah i always say this it took

me a hundred and fifty podcast episodes to

[Kevin Palmieri]: feel confident as a podcaster before that

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Kevin Palmieri]: when we would have guests on i

wanted to jump out the window because in

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: my mind it’s

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: in pa just in rome this person

is going to know you don’t know what

[Kevin Palmieri]: the hell you’re talking about what

[Nick McGowan]: he

[Kevin Palmieri]: if you mis pronounce their name which

has happened of course what if you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: forget what you want to ask what

if you mess up what whatever what if

[Kevin Palmieri]: you’re sweating through your cloth

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: that for me i crossed the chasm

after that because it was like okay you’re

[Kevin Palmieri]: not it’s not pretend any more you’re

doing a

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: real thing most people don’t get to

where you’ve and and then eventually i think

[Kevin Palmieri]: we were probably like maybe three hundred

episodes in three hundred and fifty episodes in

[Kevin Palmieri]: and we ended up getting our own

customer studio and that was a shift for

[Kevin Palmieri]: me too because it was like i

felt more like a professional and i think

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: you have to check in with does

your environment match your energy if your environment

[Kevin Palmieri]: doesn’t match your energy and your attitude

that’s very very important like my studio is

[Kevin Palmieri]: set up in a special way because

i want it to be this way for

[Kevin Palmieri]: me because it helps me remember podcastorpodcast

or podcast or so

[Nick McGowan]: yep

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah and there there were some guests

that we had to that i didn’t number

[Kevin Palmieri]: one i didn’t expect to get and

i didn’t expect the interview to go as

[Kevin Palmieri]: well as they did and i think

that was kind of like a chasm of

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh you know what we’re actually pretty

good at this and we’re getting a lot

[Kevin Palmieri]: of really positive feedback if these people

believe in what we’re doing i could probably

[Kevin Palmieri]: and to believe in myself a little

bit more that was very important for

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: me

[Nick McGowan]: was there any that come to mind

that you’re like man this was kind of

[Nick McGowan]: a pivotal one

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah evan car michael we interviewed evan

car michael for those who don’t know he’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: very big on you tube spoken with

tony robins he’s a very successful entrepreneur and

[Kevin Palmieri]: we were scheduled to interview him for

twenty minutes and we got to the end

[Kevin Palmieri]: of the twenty minutes i said eve

thank you so much for joining us appreciate

[Kevin Palmieri]: it plug your book you know whatever

whatever you do at the end of podcasts

[Kevin Palmieri]: and he said no keep going i

want to keep going with you guys because

[Kevin Palmieri]: you guys are are really good i’m

having a blast you guys are awesome i

[Kevin Palmieri]: want to keep going that interview was

one of the best we’ve ever done then

[Kevin Palmieri]: they his team emailed us like six

months later invited us up to toronto to

[Kevin Palmieri]: interview him in person at his

[Nick McGowan]: nice

[Kevin Palmieri]: toronto dance sas which he owns he

that up speaking at one of our events

[Kevin Palmieri]: that we cohosted and he actually just

deemed me out of the blue it was

[Kevin Palmieri]: so weird a very serial moment for

a kid who did not expect to get

[Kevin Palmieri]: to this point he sent me a

video and said hey cave congrats on a

[Kevin Palmieri]: thousand episodes let’s do a thousand episode

reunion just reach out to the team and

[Kevin Palmieri]: we’ll get a book so somebody at

the beginning that we wanted as a guest

[Kevin Palmieri]: and weren’t sure if we could get

is now d m ing me saying hey

[Kevin Palmieri]: i want to come back on so

that yeah it’s

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Kevin Palmieri]: come

[Nick McGowan]: a wild

[Kevin Palmieri]: full

[Nick McGowan]: thing

[Kevin Palmieri]: circle in a lot of ways and

it feels good but it’s just a reminder

[Kevin Palmieri]: in the beginning you can’t expect much


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: compounds it takes time it’s just part

of the course

[Nick McGowan]: yeah i’m easy to say

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: harder to do for most people but

as you get further and further and further

[Nick McGowan]: i’m sure at some point have you

experienced where you’re like well you know i

[Nick McGowan]: can come this far can’t really turn

around now can

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: can’t really shut it down

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so you’re you’re already in it does

that bring a different does that bring a

[Nick McGowan]: different set of problems mentally at that


[Kevin Palmieri]: so i was making i made a

hundred thousand dollars when i was twenty six

[Kevin Palmieri]: and i ended up sitting on the

edge of a bed debating suicide because i

[Kevin Palmieri]: was so miserable with my life and


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: thought money and the girl friend and

the body and the tattoos and the call

[Kevin Palmieri]: or whatever i thought all that stuff

was going to fix my the inner voids

[Kevin Palmieri]: that i had and when it didn’t

it actually made it worse because i said

[Kevin Palmieri]: well now now what i don’t know

what else to

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: do so when i left that job

i told my mother and i told my

[Kevin Palmieri]: grandmother i said i will never punch

a clock for somebody else ever again i

[Kevin Palmieri]: will either succeed at this or i

will die true and there there was no

[Kevin Palmieri]: other option for me and i think

part of it is the ego part of

[Kevin Palmieri]: me and the pride

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: but

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i said it publicly i said look

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i’m going to figure this out i’m

going to do this for him long as

[Kevin Palmieri]: i can and i had the the

fear i had Nick was i remember in

[Kevin Palmieri]: the very beginning my process of thinking

was i need to find a way to

[Kevin Palmieri]: make rent at the end of the


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: i just got to make enough money

to pay rent i got to make enough

[Kevin Palmieri]: money to get this car payment down

like that was where i was i was

[Kevin Palmieri]: in the pool i was so obsessed

with just learning how to swim i didn’t

[Kevin Palmieri]: want to go back i was so

afraid that one day i was going to

[Kevin Palmieri]: wake up and have to go back

i was terrified of that and i think

[Kevin Palmieri]: that made me do a lot of

things that i probably wouldn’t have normally done

[Kevin Palmieri]: learning i was learning about money going

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: so far outside of my comfort zone

to the point where i was having panic

[Kevin Palmieri]: attacks regularly i don’t think i would

have done any of that stuff so it’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: it’s a pressure for sure it’s a

heavy heavy heavy weight but i don’t know

[Kevin Palmieri]: that i would have succeeded any other

way because i think if i i do

[Kevin Palmieri]: think if i had a plan b

i probably would have would have taken it

[Kevin Palmieri]: because it got hard

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: i mean it was there two years

in a row my i couldn’t buy christmas

[Kevin Palmieri]: presents for my girl friend she’s my

wife now but i couldn’t afford christmas present

[Kevin Palmieri]: my car broke down and i was

literally driving to the studio with a car

[Kevin Palmieri]: that the breaks barely worked there was

a hole in one of the pistons so

[Kevin Palmieri]: every time i stopped it would stall

or any time i was

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Kevin Palmieri]: going like below ten miles an hour

the car would just stall and i’m driving

[Kevin Palmieri]: an hour to the studio times a

week to record episodes and i was in

[Kevin Palmieri]: debt a ton i had creditors after

me at one point it was brutal it

[Kevin Palmieri]: was brutal so if i think if

i could have gone back and i had

[Kevin Palmieri]: an out i might have taken it

so i’m very great i didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: in retrospect

[Nick McGowan]: what a thing you’re like oh thank

god i burnt all the ships all of

[Nick McGowan]: them were done

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: it’s an interesting perspective man especially being

so far into what you’re doing i know

[Nick McGowan]: there are a lot of people that

are debating that jump from either or job

[Nick McGowan]: they have now or from the business

they have into a different business and there

[Nick McGowan]: are often times i get asked the

question like how do you know when to

[Nick McGowan]: do that how do you

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: know when to actually go forward and

do that thing so what sort of would

[Nick McGowan]: you give those people

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah i always say pick your mud

so there’s any time you’re transitioning from one

[Kevin Palmieri]: thing to another you’re going to have

there’s a couple different pieces of mud or

[Kevin Palmieri]: i guess paths of mud you could

have number one you eve the safety of

[Kevin Palmieri]: what you’re doing and you risk being

broke and you risk circumstantially failing if you

[Kevin Palmieri]: have a family you have a home

you have a mortgage you have car

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: you know you have kids that’s a

different thing so i always say pick mud

[Kevin Palmieri]: and what i mean by that is

if you’re working forty five hours a week

[Kevin Palmieri]: at something you don’t like then start

working five hours a week something you do

[Kevin Palmieri]: and then get that five hours to

ten and then you know that ten to

[Kevin Palmieri]: fifty is it going to suck yeah

absolutely but is it going to suck as

[Kevin Palmieri]: much as you’re doing something you don’t

like for the next twenty five years now

[Kevin Palmieri]: that’s the mud the mud is

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: there will be discomfort from dis come

fort to happiness or joy or fulfillment whatever

[Kevin Palmieri]: it is but most people only see

i’m unhappy it’s going to create more unhappiness

[Kevin Palmieri]: for me to try this

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t believe it will be worth

it so yeah

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: you number one you have to believe

it will be worth it if you do

[Kevin Palmieri]: not believe the shift will be worth

it you will not do it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: and you have to figure out what

level of mud is the most sustainable for

[Kevin Palmieri]: you leaving a six figure income for

most people to become a broke podcaster is

[Kevin Palmieri]: not sustainable because i didn’t have kids

my car was paid off shortly after i

[Kevin Palmieri]: left i lived with my buddy i

was paying five hundred bucks a month for

[Kevin Palmieri]: rent so i set myself up circumstantially

my mud

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: was being broke other people’s mud might

be staying at the job a year and

[Kevin Palmieri]: a half longer than they want to

but yeah you really got t get very

[Kevin Palmieri]: very clear on the mud that you’re

willing to crawl through and ask yourself do

[Kevin Palmieri]: i believe it will be worth it

my bone because if you don’t you will

[Kevin Palmieri]: not continue because it doesn’t make sense

logically as a human being to do something

[Kevin Palmieri]: you don’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: believe will be worth it

[Nick McGowan]: well logic when you’re talking about crazy


[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: doesn’t really matter

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: they not ing care they can’t handle


[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: because they’re

[Kevin Palmieri]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Kevin Palmieri]: fair

[Nick McGowan]: logical you

[Kevin Palmieri]: there

[Nick McGowan]: know so it’s funny i have conversations

at times i’m like well is that person

[Nick McGowan]: being logical with you or they’re being

crazy like they’re

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: fucking being see like well how do

you deal with crazy it’s crazy okay

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: got it and you know thinking about

even on yourself when you think about that

[Nick McGowan]: if you’re in a spot where you’re

like i want to get out of this

[Nick McGowan]: thing or i want to do this

now in your case where you you let

[Nick McGowan]: go or is that something where you

literally had to shift yourself out of it

[Nick McGowan]: like i have to pull myself out

of this thing or it’s all going to

[Nick McGowan]: suck an end

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah no it was at that point

i was already mentally out i was calling

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: out of work i was leaving the

job site early i was showing up late

[Kevin Palmieri]: i was already mentally out and what

happened was i was working a job so

[Kevin Palmieri]: the vast majority of the work that

we did was on the road so i

[Kevin Palmieri]: lived on the road the year i

made the most money i lived on the

[Kevin Palmieri]: road for ten months every single week

i lived in hotels after that year r

[Kevin Palmieri]: we were doing a job close to

where i lived so i was able to

[Kevin Palmieri]: compute and i remember i called my

company nd i said hey you don’t know

[Kevin Palmieri]: this yet i don’t know how you

mess this up but we’re not working second

[Kevin Palmieri]: shift on this job we’re working first

ship and i can’t do that because i

[Kevin Palmieri]: have prior commitments a k the podcast

and i was told

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i’ll be working second shift and they

ended up calling me back and saying like

[Kevin Palmieri]: we’re going to have a problem if

you don’t if you don’t work this shift

[Kevin Palmieri]: and i said i don’t care like

whatever problem we’re on to have we’re going

[Kevin Palmieri]: to have i’m not coming i have

podcast stuff to do and i’m going to

[Kevin Palmieri]: do that and whatever wherever the chips

fall they fall and then they message

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: me later that day or the next

day and they said hey do you think

[Kevin Palmieri]: we should part ways and i said

yeah i don’t think this is going to

[Kevin Palmieri]: work i it’s interesting how when your

priority shift everything else shifts like the

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: way you’ll the way you’ll accept being

treated shifts the level of yourself worth and

[Kevin Palmieri]: how much you value your own time

will shift you don’t want to get jerked

[Kevin Palmieri]: around so for me it was very

much a grow up moment of i do

[Kevin Palmieri]: not want to do this for somebody

else for the rest of my life like

[Kevin Palmieri]: the fact that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i have something very important to do

and i can’t do it because you messed

[Kevin Palmieri]: up that’s not fair

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i may never get this opportunity again

that i may never get this opportunity again

[Kevin Palmieri]: so what that was was we were

working out with one of our friends she

[Kevin Palmieri]: her name is catherine as he’s very

big on instagram an we went to the

[Kevin Palmieri]: gym with her we later interviewed her

and that was our biggest episode at the

[Kevin Palmieri]: time that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: was the biggest episode we had for

the first couple of years if we didn’t

[Kevin Palmieri]: go to the gym and then end

up interviewing her i can tell you with

[Kevin Palmieri]: certainty we wouldn’t be exactly where we

are today for sure puntrepercent

[Nick McGowan]: wow wow you wouldn’t have had that

had you not gone through all the stuff

[Nick McGowan]: that you had gone through

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but that takes you knowing inside when

things are no longer acceptable

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: now like i feel like you get

to a point where you’re like oh that’s

[Nick McGowan]: that point where this is no longer

happening this is no longer allowed

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: and in being able to make that

shift so that’s huge man especially being able

[Nick McGowan]: to look back at that stuff

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: now when you think about the let’s

take those couple years where you’re going through

[Nick McGowan]: like you know that you’re doing the

thing and you feel like you’re doing the

[Nick McGowan]: right things but

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: you’ve got you know p s that

you’re driving and some

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: ship that’s going

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: on and just how do you manage

in those moments now and look i need

[Nick McGowan]: to just keep going and keep doing

these things but did i make the right

[Nick McGowan]: decision

[Kevin Palmieri]: i tried to lean on the people

around me i’m very blessed because my business

[Kevin Palmieri]: partner is just one of the most

intelligent human beings ever he’s just a genius

[Kevin Palmieri]: and he he understands everything is going

to work out because he reversed engine is

[Kevin Palmieri]: everything i didn’t know that at the

time i didn’t understand that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: but

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i remember i i just talked to

people i have i had very very good

[Kevin Palmieri]: humans around me the two people that

i was closest to were both entrepreneurs they

[Kevin Palmieri]: both understood i was living with my

best friend who is becoming a real estate

[Kevin Palmieri]: investor so i literally helped flipped his

his first house together like we did it

[Kevin Palmieri]: where we lived so there was a

lot of comradery

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Kevin Palmieri]: with the people i was around because

we understood what each other was going through

[Kevin Palmieri]: that really was the biggest thing me

and honestly it really was it was the

[Kevin Palmieri]: belief that ultimately no matter what i

went through would be worth it it was

[Kevin Palmieri]: the belief that

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: we’re going to figure this out eventually

and when we do figured out none of

[Kevin Palmieri]: this other ship’s really going to matter

like i’ll be able

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: to pay my debts that’s not a

big deal just survive i’ll be able to

[Kevin Palmieri]: find a new place to live like

whatever just survive i’ll be able to get

[Kevin Palmieri]: a new car don’t worry about it

just survive so i think for me i

[Kevin Palmieri]: always i don’t know if i saw

a light at the end of the tunnel

[Kevin Palmieri]: i think i wanted there to be

one but i think i

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: was always aimed at that and i

said look i i just have to keep

[Kevin Palmieri]: going and i’ll also say this too

and i don’t mean any ego with this

[Kevin Palmieri]: but i’m just pretty good at suffering

i’m just my ability to suffer is pretty

[Kevin Palmieri]: high just based on i was a

body builder you know i’ve been in the

[Kevin Palmieri]: gym my whole life grappling my tie

that kind of stuff like you’re going to

[Kevin Palmieri]: suffer quite often when you’re putting yourself

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: in those physical

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: situations so i have a pretty high

throw hold for pain which if i didn’t

[Kevin Palmieri]: i would have quite a long time


[Nick McGowan]: where do you think that comes from

is that an innate thing or

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: were you kind of raised in that

[Kevin Palmieri]: what i what i lacked in skill

and size i made up for in durability

[Kevin Palmieri]: and resilience i was a really good

baseball player but one of the reasons i

[Kevin Palmieri]: was good is because was reckless i

would i remember in one of the games

[Kevin Palmieri]: i did a front flip over the

catcher because he was holding the ball and

[Kevin Palmieri]: i did a front flip over and

i landed

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: on my head on the plate and

i was safe but that’s

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: that’s one of the things that

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: i had other people just weren’t willing

to do when i when i did something

[Kevin Palmieri]: i did it full out the other

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: thing is i wanted to be when

i was younger i wanted to wrestle in

[Kevin Palmieri]: the w w e w w f

the time

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: and my cousin and i used to

put on pretend matches and he i remember

[Kevin Palmieri]: he used to hit me in the

head with a legitimate metal folding chair not

[Kevin Palmieri]: like

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Kevin Palmieri]: one of those light weight ones one

of those heavy ones he used

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: to throw me into the thorn bushes

he beat the hell out of me with

[Kevin Palmieri]: a whip ball bat one time and

there’s a sick part of me that kind

[Kevin Palmieri]: of liked it was like this isn’t

that bad i can i can handle it

[Kevin Palmieri]: so you know after that i wanted

to be a stunt man and then i

[Kevin Palmieri]: wanted to fight professionally with mixed martial

art so i think for me it’s just

[Kevin Palmieri]: like it’s not that bad you know

it’s if there is a if there is

[Kevin Palmieri]: an end to it it’s not that

big of a deal you have tattoos

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: like when i sat down to get

this done i was like oh my god

[Kevin Palmieri]: i have to sit for another fie

the hour is no

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: way am i going to make this


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: as you get closer to the end

it gets a little bit easier so yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i think for me what i lacked

in skill i could get through with just

[Kevin Palmieri]: pure resilience end and that’s really that’s

really served me later in life even that

[Kevin Palmieri]: job i had we would i remember

we would wake up it two in the

[Kevin Palmieri]: morning we would drive five hours to

a job site and then i’d work an

[Kevin Palmieri]: eight hour day and then i’d go

to the gym and that was like normal

[Kevin Palmieri]: that wasn’t pat on the back o

a job that was like that’s what you

[Kevin Palmieri]: do you know that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: was just kind of kind of normal

so i think a lot of that i’ve

[Kevin Palmieri]: adopted till today and and that’s just

a great message for everybody out there of

[Kevin Palmieri]: the fact that you might be doing

something right now that you absolutely hate but

[Kevin Palmieri]: you might be putting things away for

later right you might putting money

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: in the bank for skills that you

might need later and you never know until

[Kevin Palmieri]: you reflect but it’s possible it’s very

possible that’s happening for you too

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s a huge point stepping stones

you know

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: some people get really really really upset

with things that are happening and

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: it could be easy to be like

kind of a fly on a wall and

[Nick McGowan]: be like yes but from my perspective

i can see these things but when you’re

[Nick McGowan]: and it’s difficult to see that

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but being the understanding of all right

maybe this is just kind of a stepping

[Nick McGowan]: stone even just changing that perspective a

bit and going on well with the sort

[Nick McGowan]: of questions do i ask then

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: how do i look at this thing

a little differently so from you kind of

[Nick McGowan]: hitting all these different stepping stones what

led you to the podcast

[Kevin Palmieri]: mostly accidental i was interviewed so my

business partner had a youtube show and he

[Kevin Palmieri]: said hey i want to interview you

about fitness and mind set and i was

[Kevin Palmieri]: like i don’t know that means i

don’t kno wha the el were

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: gong to talk about i have no

idea what i’m doing but yeah whatever and

[Kevin Palmieri]: he interviewed me for an hour and

a half and then when we got to

[Kevin Palmieri]: the end of the interview i said

to one of my other buddies i said

[Kevin Palmieri]: imagine if you could do that or

a living and he said well there’s there’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: people that can and i did a

bunch of research on what equipment i needed

[Kevin Palmieri]: and all that and then right before

that had i had really started to hate

[Kevin Palmieri]: my job so it was very

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: much i found a new purpose with

the understanding that okay money is not the

[Kevin Palmieri]: issue i feel like my awareness has

been were low and if my awareness was

[Kevin Palmieri]: higher i would be happier okay cool


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: does that mean and then i saw

the opportunity to create a vehicle with a

[Kevin Palmieri]: podcast and then i created my first

podcast which evolved today is it was hyper

[Kevin Palmieri]: conscious it was called the hyper conscious

podcast acutely aware understanding everything that it just

[Kevin Palmieri]: came in a very very aligned opportunistic

time for me so yeah i was interviewed

[Kevin Palmieri]: i said imagine if you could do

that for a living somebody said you could

[Kevin Palmieri]: and then i went and bought all

the equipment and i was off to the

[Kevin Palmieri]: races shortly thereafter

[Nick McGowan]: love that ship where just like and

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: here we

[Kevin Palmieri]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: are and it just

[Kevin Palmieri]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: works yeah it’s interesting how that stuff

works because i hear different people at times

[Nick McGowan]: that are like me and i thought

of the idea of doing a podcast but

[Nick McGowan]: i don’t know and then the time

and they’re like

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: i want to do it specifically about

this thing i want to talk about this

[Nick McGowan]: thing and there’s just passion in it

and i think that’s kind of a message

[Nick McGowan]: for people that are even in that

spot in a job where they’re like fucking

[Nick McGowan]: hate this think about you hate what

you enjoy and then start to do a

[Nick McGowan]: little bit of that and that’s kind

of the message that i’m getting from you

[Nick McGowan]: to it like if you’re working the

forty hours you work another five doing something

[Nick McGowan]: else that you want to do

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so when you were first working this

was that one of those things where you

[Nick McGowan]: thought maybe i can do this kind

of alongside and hate this a little less

[Nick McGowan]: or you’re just like and here we


[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: fuck that um out

[Kevin Palmieri]: i if i didn’t have that suicidal

moment i probably would have kept doing both

[Kevin Palmieri]: and honestly i probably would have the

podcast probably would have died really

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: i tried to do both but it’s

very hard it’s very hard when it doesn’t

[Kevin Palmieri]: seem like it matters in the beginning

because nobody’s listening

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: you’re not getting any love you don’t

know what the hell you’re doing so yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t think i was aware of

what was actually going to happen and i

[Kevin Palmieri]: also didn’t have high enough awareness to

understand that you could actually be successful with

[Kevin Palmieri]: a podcast when i started this there

was no goals of making money i had

[Kevin Palmieri]: no i had no idea how to

there was no plan for that i just

[Kevin Palmieri]: wanted to have deep conversations with deep

people that’s how it started for me and

[Kevin Palmieri]: i edit the show on the road

and all that but no i definitely i

[Kevin Palmieri]: probably would have done it for like

a year and then i probably would have

[Kevin Palmieri]: called it quits because i wouldn’t have

gotten any results and said okay that was

[Kevin Palmieri]: that was a fun try

[Nick McGowan]: sure that’s that’s not how your personality

is you

[Kevin Palmieri]: you’d be

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Kevin Palmieri]: surprised Nick i don’t a lot of

this personality is new to me the i’m

[Kevin Palmieri]: not a natural high achiever that’s just

not that’s not who i was i’m a

[Kevin Palmieri]: really hard worker i’ll grind my face

off but i’m not a visionary i’m not

[Kevin Palmieri]: somebody who can see how things will

play out into the future and belie

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: it or not i’m not as ambitious

as i think people would guess a lot

[Kevin Palmieri]: of its adopted over the last five

years this isn’t i’ve changed more in the

[Kevin Palmieri]: last five years than i did in

the first twenty eight for sure for sure

[Kevin Palmieri]: so

[Nick McGowan]: that’s cool

[Kevin Palmieri]: i think people would probably be surprised

[Nick McGowan]: you had also touched on the people

that are around you so

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: if you have chitty people around you

[Kevin Palmieri]: true

[Nick McGowan]: then probably wouldn’t be thinking this way

[Kevin Palmieri]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Kevin Palmieri]: true

[Nick McGowan]: you hadn’t gone through all these things

but i think it also really gets back

[Nick McGowan]: to that a deep passion to just

say well fuck you guys and out work

[Nick McGowan]: you because

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: i at least know i can do


[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and i can figure this thing out

and i’m not going to let myself stop

[Nick McGowan]: from that

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: but i want to touch on the

suicide stuff so

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: when you’re in moment not even the

suicidal moment but the moments that were

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: hovering around it for the weeks kind

of leading up to it and all that

[Nick McGowan]: sort of stuff i feel like that’s

one of those pieces that people are aware

[Nick McGowan]: of but they don’t really talk about

it almost like when you think about lacelle

[Nick McGowan]: you understand there’s the nucleus but you

don’t think about all the stuff that’s around

[Nick McGowan]: it that’s leading up to it and

that’s really where the signs are and the

[Nick McGowan]: stuff that’s happening so i know that

it can be a break through like it

[Nick McGowan]: was for you like was

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: for me but some people it’s not

so leading up to that what were those

[Nick McGowan]: sort of things looking kind of like

from a third party perspective could you see

[Nick McGowan]: that was outside of that that you

would be mindful of at this point

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah it’s it’s interesting because that wasn’t

that wasn’t the first time i had those

[Kevin Palmieri]: thoughts that was just the

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: first est

[Nick McGowan]: ever

[Kevin Palmieri]: those

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Kevin Palmieri]: thoughts had ever had ever gotten i


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i was home we lived in boston

it was at the time it was my

[Kevin Palmieri]: girl friend myself and we lived with

another couple and we had this really nice

[Kevin Palmieri]: apartment there was three stories we had

the loft upstairs and one day i was

[Kevin Palmieri]: home alone everybody else was at work

and i was just playing call of duty

[Kevin Palmieri]: on the bed and i had this

moment where i put the clicker down and

[Kevin Palmieri]: i just remember thinking if this is

what life is i don’t want to do

[Kevin Palmieri]: it everything is gray

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: and i’m depressed and i’m not excited

about anything and i’m anxious all the time

[Kevin Palmieri]: and if this is what the next

seventy eighty ninety years of my life are

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t i don’t want to do

this this is brutal sucks so my girl

[Kevin Palmieri]: friend came home that night and i

expressed that to her vulnerably and she she

[Kevin Palmieri]: recommended i go to a therapist and

i was like no way i like no

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t need a therapist i’m fine

everything is fine and eventually i did i

[Kevin Palmieri]: went i went to a therapist in

downtown boston and i remember walking up this

[Kevin Palmieri]: spiral staircase in this old building creaking

and i’m thinking i’m going to cry i

[Kevin Palmieri]: don’t want to answer these questions is

gonna be

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: brutal

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: and it was honestly one of the

best experiences of my life because what happened

[Kevin Palmieri]: i learned more about myself i left


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: with a higher awareness that i walked

in with and when you when you’re more

[Kevin Palmieri]: aware you have more opportunity to make

changes so when i when that happened i

[Kevin Palmieri]: thought i was healed because i went

to therapy five or six times and i

[Kevin Palmieri]: was like i’m good i know everything


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i know all about myself we’re good

and i think what happened was i was

[Kevin Palmieri]: so burnt out i was under

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: slept i was eating like garbage my

fitness was on point because i was working

[Kevin Palmieri]: out a lot but i don’t think

i understood physiologically how much damage i was

[Kevin Palmieri]: doing to my body and then that

was just taking a toll on my mental

[Kevin Palmieri]: health so i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: probably would have said keve you’re living

like a rock star but you don’t have

[Kevin Palmieri]: any of the rock star benefits like

you need to sleep you can’t stay up

[Kevin Palmieri]: for thirty thirty five hours in a

row like that’s bad that’s very detrimental and

[Kevin Palmieri]: i was doing that often so i

think i probably would have tried to get

[Kevin Palmieri]: to the root of your life style

is very toxic and that’s not helping your

[Kevin Palmieri]: mental

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: health i think that would have been

an interesting thing to to understand and recognize

[Kevin Palmieri]: earlier

[Nick McGowan]: now that you recognize it and you

understand it what does what does your lifestyle

[Nick McGowan]: look like now compared to what it

looked like before

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah i have i have a non

negotiable amount of r n r so i

[Kevin Palmieri]: try to do i guess the goal

is eighty per cent on twenty per cent

[Kevin Palmieri]: off so if you figure if you

are sleeping eight hours a day then that

[Kevin Palmieri]: leaves sixteen hours for you to do

activities so ten percent of that would be

[Kevin Palmieri]: one point six hours twenty percent of

that would be three point two hours so

[Kevin Palmieri]: three point two hours of and a

night i don’t get that probably at like

[Kevin Palmieri]: ninety ten right now so i get

like an hour of r and r every

[Kevin Palmieri]: night where i get up it when

i’m on i get up at four thirty

[Kevin Palmieri]: at the gym by five i’m home

by six thirty in the office by seven

[Kevin Palmieri]: and then seven to six seven to

seven most days but then after that it’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: just my phone stays in the office

i don’t bring my phone into the bedroom

[Kevin Palmieri]: i spend time with my wife and

we watch something we eat in bed we

[Kevin Palmieri]: have deep deep talks so it’s a

lot it’s a lot output but and this

[Kevin Palmieri]: is this is important for everybody my

favorite question to ask is how aligned is

[Kevin Palmieri]: your grind the

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: the being on a bunch of podcasts

than doing seven a week and being on

[Kevin Palmieri]: fifteen shows a week two yeah it’s

a challenge one it’s easier than it’s ever

[Kevin Palmieri]: been two i just have so many

reps in this arena that it takes less

[Kevin Palmieri]: of my conscious energy and effort than

it would somebody who’s

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: never done it so my grind is

the most aligned it’s ever been and that’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: one of the reasons weregetting the results

were getting but it’s also one of the

[Kevin Palmieri]: reasons it’s sustainable too so that’s important

to note

[Nick McGowan]: my that’s a big thing right there

the alignment

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: of your grinding and

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: how you go about it i think

to the people that i talked to that

[Nick McGowan]: are like all right this is the

first show or this i can show that

[Nick McGowan]: i’m doing i’m a little nervous and

from the host perspective i got a kind

[Nick McGowan]: of love on them like you’re fine

everything is gonna

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: be great you’re going to be great

this is wonderful will go through stuff and

[Nick McGowan]: there are people like yourself that are

like you could probably be sleeping right now

[Kevin Palmieri]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: and we wouldn’t really know like

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you would just be having these conversations

but meanwhile you just

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: completely passed out

[Kevin Palmieri]: h

[Nick McGowan]: just because you’ve done

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: it so many times like when you

think about driving to the store like you

[Nick McGowan]: don’t think about driving to the store

just magically taking your groceries

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: out back to the car and you’re

like oh should have been here for forty

[Nick McGowan]: five minutes

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Kevin Palmieri]: a lot of its subconscious

[Nick McGowan]: the heck

[Kevin Palmieri]: right when you practice

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: something fifteen hundred times the just the

pathways are just connected i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: i usually don’t know what i’m going

to say i don’t really know i don’t

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t know the questions are usually

don’t look i don’t even look

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t want to know because if

i know the questions i’m i’m going to

[Kevin Palmieri]: manufacture answers i want to do it

i want to figure it out live so

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah it’s interesting but the other thing

as i have a very high standard for

[Kevin Palmieri]: myself that’s that’s

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Kevin Palmieri]: an interesting thing

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: to wear i don’t care if somebody

else thinks my two is at ten i

[Kevin Palmieri]: know my two is a two and

i want to make sure that i’m i

[Kevin Palmieri]: try to over deliver that’s always my


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: people ask all the time i don’t

know if you know anything about my show

[Kevin Palmieri]: yes i try to do research i

try to listen to an episode i try

[Kevin Palmieri]: to just do more than the the

bear minimum i don’t want to show up

[Kevin Palmieri]: with a bare

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: minimum

[Nick McGowan]: do you feel like not looking at

questions at all is potentially that bare minimum

[Nick McGowan]: or that somebody would see it as

a bare minimum so do you go ahead

[Nick McGowan]: of that because you’re

[Kevin Palmieri]: no

[Nick McGowan]: like don’t want to look at your


[Kevin Palmieri]: no for me it’s like

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Kevin Palmieri]: this is this is the thing most

people i know you’re not sending those questions

[Kevin Palmieri]: for me i know you’re sending them

for yourself so like that’s fine if you

[Kevin Palmieri]: want to send them to me and

those are the question our gonna use awesome

[Kevin Palmieri]: it doesn’t do me

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: any benefit to know because i would

rather say honestly Nick i don’t think i

[Kevin Palmieri]: have a good answer to that rather

than like research okay what are the five

[Kevin Palmieri]: things

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Kevin Palmieri]: that you should be doing to build


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: i think regurgitated

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah i don’t if i don’t know

the answer it’s my job to say honestly

[Kevin Palmieri]: that’s not my my area of expertise

like i don’t know that i can add

[Kevin Palmieri]: that much value there so i’d rather

just be real that’s i think

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: and the other thing too is you

can only prepare and obviously you should prepare

[Kevin Palmieri]: and focus on preparation but i want

to make sure this is who i am

[Kevin Palmieri]: more than

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: what i do and i think the

identity of yeah i’m just going to show

[Kevin Palmieri]: up and i know i’m gonna be

as ready as i can worst case scenario

[Kevin Palmieri]: goes horribly wrong i learn best case


[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: hopefully i’ll

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Kevin Palmieri]: impress myself i think it’s a good

approach especially this many resin

[Nick McGowan]: yea we we both agree on that

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i kind of think of

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: it often as look i have one

thing i can fall back on or a

[Nick McGowan]: couple of things i can fall back

on no matter what worst case scenario somebody

[Nick McGowan]: looks at me go you’re complete fucking

ass hole

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: i know that i’m not a complete

fucking ass hole of a partial so

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: even in that case i’m totally fine

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: you know and just being able to

go into it and go cool what are

[Nick McGowan]: we doing i was having conversation with

a podcast host recently who’s talking about how

[Nick McGowan]: they’ll get on shows and people will

expect that they have the answers to the

[Nick McGowan]: questions that they sent them they’re like

i sent you these questions these are the

[Nick McGowan]: exact things and they’ll go one by

one by one where they’re like question one

[Nick McGowan]: Kevin and oh Kevin that’s crazy ship

about your family

[Kevin Palmieri]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: well question

[Kevin Palmieri]: uh

[Nick McGowan]: two you’re like what i just told

you crazy ship about

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: my family how are you not going

to play jazz with that

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and were you kind of in that

spot when you first started where you like

[Nick McGowan]: i have to kind of know what

things are specifically going to be or were

[Nick McGowan]: you just right off the bat you’re

like fun it we’ll figure it out

[Kevin Palmieri]: no i was definitely the first

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Kevin Palmieri]: i was very regimented i did two

hours of research per guest we had on

[Kevin Palmieri]: it i always looked at it and

again it’s different because i had a co

[Kevin Palmieri]: host who his only thing was scratching

his own curiosity that’s just the way he’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: built he has to ask questions that

he wants to know my job was always

[Kevin Palmieri]: to do iver value from the guest

to the audience so i usually knew more

[Kevin Palmieri]: about the guest that anybody would have

known that i knew but it was my

[Kevin Palmieri]: job to bring up value so i


[Nick McGowan]: got

[Kevin Palmieri]: say

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Kevin Palmieri]: i was overly prep and

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Kevin Palmieri]: but this

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: is the problem with that and i

tell my clients this all the time i

[Kevin Palmieri]: don’t know how to explain this i

don’t know how to visualize it i don’t

[Kevin Palmieri]: know how to get it to land

you got to remove the safety net whatever

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: that means to you practise it that’s

that’s why i want to show up and

[Kevin Palmieri]: not know because then at least i

can be real and then worst case i

[Kevin Palmieri]: can just say honestly neck i don’t

know or hey can you repeat that again

[Kevin Palmieri]: i forgot what you said whatever

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: is that if that’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: the worst thing that happens then

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: then we’re totally good it’s way better

than you so i

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Kevin Palmieri]: i think i realized later than i

wish i did honestly that if you go

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: in with a safety net you’re almost


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: to fall on the safety net you


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: it’s there but you’re

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Kevin Palmieri]: so afraid to make a mistake where

if you just say honestly let me remove

[Kevin Palmieri]: this safety net and just focus on

being me everything else

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Kevin Palmieri]: kind of comes naturally that way

[Nick McGowan]: what a great way to look at

that especially to be able to say like

[Nick McGowan]: who i don’t know

[Kevin Palmieri]: right

[Nick McGowan]: next question

[Kevin Palmieri]: right

[Nick McGowan]: or you know what’s the worst thing

a lot of people will think and this

[Nick McGowan]: just kind of goes for almost like

a metaphor for life in a sense where

[Nick McGowan]: they’ll think oh if i do this

or if i

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: do that or if i have this

conversation with my wife i have this or

[Nick McGowan]: that like they’re going to turn it

into some giant hairy scary monster and just

[Nick McGowan]: bite your fucking head off

[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: most times that’s not going to happen

[Kevin Palmieri]: yep

[Nick McGowan]: if it does and there’s an alien

invasion that’s a completely

[Kevin Palmieri]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: different set of sucking problems

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and like your argument no longer matters


[Kevin Palmieri]: m

[Nick McGowan]: man we’ve gotten into a lot of

stuff i want to mindful of your time

[Nick McGowan]: i appreciate you being on the show


[Kevin Palmieri]: course

[Nick McGowan]: what sort of advice would you give

to the audience that’s on their path towards

[Nick McGowan]: self mastery

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah this is one of my favorite

things in the world and i’m very i’m

[Kevin Palmieri]: very visual i guess i’m philosophical with

certain things but one thing that stuck with

[Kevin Palmieri]: me for the last five and a

half six years your reality will become the

[Kevin Palmieri]: parts of your imagination that you hold

on to and pour into the longest in

[Kevin Palmieri]: five years ten years you will be

in a different place than you are today

[Kevin Palmieri]: i just want it to be the

place of your choosing and don’t forget that

[Kevin Palmieri]: the imagination is a powerful thing i

was just a kid from a small town

[Kevin Palmieri]: who wanted t have a podcast and

i wanted to be my own boss and

[Kevin Palmieri]: that’s the thing that i focused on

that’s the thing that i poured into that’s

[Kevin Palmieri]: the thing that i prioritized and that’s

the only reason i am where i am

[Kevin Palmieri]: ay there was trust me there was

very little luck involved much to my surprise

[Kevin Palmieri]: so make sure you’re focused on the

things that you want and not the things

[Kevin Palmieri]: that you don’t want the things that

you desire not that that you’re afraid of

[Kevin Palmieri]: i think you’re you’re goin t be

in for a different future if you can

[Kevin Palmieri]: focus on that

[Nick McGowan]: awesome Kevin i appreciate you being on

thank you for sharing your wisdom and hey

[Nick McGowan]: where can people find you and where

can they connect with you

[Kevin Palmieri]: yeah so i always send people to

the podcast that’s where you’ll get to know

[Kevin Palmieri]: us at the deepest level next level

university or on all the podcast platforms as

[Kevin Palmieri]: well as you tube and then if

you want to reach out to me my

[Kevin Palmieri]: handle on instagram is at never quit

kid i do all my own social media

[Kevin Palmieri]: so you will hear from me probably

an audio message or a video again i

[Kevin Palmieri]: want to i want to over deliver

if i can

[Nick McGowan]: stuff again thank you so much for

being on appreciate it

[Kevin Palmieri]: my pleasure brother

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