Episode summary: Bianca Thomas had always struggled with codependency. She struggled with self-worth, self-love, and self-identity. She would continuously find herself getting into abusive relationships.
Luckily, she found a mentor at the gym who started to help her through her codependent behaviors. Then she met a woman and got into a relationship and quickly started reverting back to her old self. She was losing friends, her family kicked her out, and her mentor no longer wanted to work with her.
When they broke up, it was just what Bianca needed to get her life straightened out. Her parents offered her to come back home but Bianca felt she really needed to be on her own and overcome her codependency. She lived in her car and worked her way to getting her own apartment and living on her own.
Once you start healing and progress to overcoming codependency, you cannot go back. Bianco continued to work on overcoming her codependency.
Guest Name & Bio: Bianca is the co-founder, CFO, and COO of Evolve Ventures Technologies, and the host of the Evolve Ventures Podcast, a global podcast reached in over 50 countries; she is a cognitive behavioral therapist and success coach who helps people break the patterns and beliefs holding them back from optimizing their life and reaching their fullest.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Hey Bianca. Welcome to the show are you doing? [Bianca Thomas]: I am great thanks for having me [Nick McGowan]: I’m excited you’re here we had a quick conversation a couple of months ago kind of a prep call leading up to the show and I have to be honest, it feels like that was almost a year ago [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: it was a long time ago but [Bianca Thomas]: it was [Nick McGowan]: think it was just [Bianca Thomas]: long [Nick McGowan]: a few [Bianca Thomas]: time [Nick McGowan]: months [Bianca Thomas]: ago [Nick McGowan]: ago [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: yeah and we basically just called [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: it out as soon as we gotback on the phone like good to see
[Nick McGowan]: again when [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: was the last time we talked [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: my god so [Bianca Thomas]: it’s been [Nick McGowan]: appreciate [Bianca Thomas]: a minute [Nick McGowan]: that you’re here yeah i think it’stimely though because i think at that point
[Nick McGowan]: we were talking about [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: maybe doing this episode at a differenttime like earlier in the summer or something
[Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: but today on linked on you sharedabout this being the one-year anniversary
[Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: of things now i’m jumping a littleahead but we’re going to get to that
[Nick McGowan]: in a minute so [Bianca Thomas]: beautiful [Nick McGowan]: want to tell us what you dofor a living and give us one thing
[Nick McGowan]: that most people don’t know about youthat’s maybe
[Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: little at or bizarre [Bianca Thomas]: so what i do for living isi’m a clinical
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: mental health councillor so i work withpeople um struggling with mental health issues and
[Bianca Thomas]: then i also am the co founderc f o and c o o
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: of all ventures technologies um it’s acompany that a friend of mine developed a
[Bianca Thomas]: few years ago and it’s been boomingit’s been incredible a random weird thing that
[Bianca Thomas]: most people would not know about me [Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: i don’t know if i would callthis weird but a lot of people don’t
[Bianca Thomas]: know that i actually used to bea competitive power lifter
[Nick McGowan]: wow it’s pretty awesome [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: so how did [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you get into that and are youyou
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: said you used to so no longerdoing that
[Bianca Thomas]: i am no longer doing that ihurt my back when i was eighteen i
[Bianca Thomas]: was a absolute douche bag at thattime
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: and i decided i wanted [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: to an ego lift and i herneateda disk and it has been a struggle
[Bianca Thomas]: bus and a half ever since thenso
[Nick McGowan]: fool [Bianca Thomas]: i cannot lift like that any more [Nick McGowan]: man that’s got to be tough especiallyat eighteen damn
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah it sucked [Nick McGowan]: so have you had to get surgeryor you
[Bianca Thomas]: thankfully [Nick McGowan]: just mindful you’re [Bianca Thomas]: no [Nick McGowan]: back now [Bianca Thomas]: um yeah i’ve had to go tophysical therapy a few times i actually was
[Bianca Thomas]: at the doctor’s yesterday i have toget injections put into my spine so that
[Bianca Thomas]: should be fun but [Nick McGowan]: good luck [Bianca Thomas]: i can walk so i’m grateful [Nick McGowan]: yeah and that’s got to be kindof tough so you were doing that i
[Nick McGowan]: guess in high school then [Bianca Thomas]: i was doing it not for myhigh school my high school didn’t have a
[Bianca Thomas]: competitive power lifting team they do nowi actually used to be the coach of
[Bianca Thomas]: my high schools team there’s [Nick McGowan]: nice [Bianca Thomas]: a fun thing about me [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: no one would know [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: um [Nick McGowan]: that’s pretty cool [Bianca Thomas]: yeah but i used to do itindependently in massachusetts where i’m from
[Nick McGowan]: okay so you said that you werein massachusetts but where are you at now
[Nick McGowan]: you east coast west coast where youlive in these days
[Bianca Thomas]: no i still live in mass [Nick McGowan]: okay got [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: a gotha [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: well as an eagle’s fan i’ll forgiveyou for you know
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: patriots and what not so realistically thoughfor
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you to go through what you wentthrough when you were in high school and
[Nick McGowan]: at eighteen having that issue happened [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: that must have been pretty difficult because [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: if you were planning on doing [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: that i assume that you were planningon doing that for quite some time and
[Nick McGowan]: then boom [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: you’re not able to do it anymore so how did you manage your mindset
[Nick McGowan]: through that [Bianca Thomas]: in all honesty that wasn’t [Nick McGowan]: kay [Bianca Thomas]: the most difficult thing going on inmy life at that time
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Bianca Thomas]: so i had been introduced into powerlifting from the person that i was dating
[Bianca Thomas]: at time and i actually started datingthat person um a week after we had
[Bianca Thomas]: met when i was sixteen and thatsame week after this person told me that
[Bianca Thomas]: he loved me after having only knownme for six days um which leads you
[Bianca Thomas]: to my poor decision making paradime backat that time
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: m it was a incredibly abusive relationshipyou know mentally
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: emotionally sexually um i almost moved tolike colorado
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: because he thought he was going tobe in the olympics for wrestling and it
[Bianca Thomas]: was just a really a really darktime in my life it was really scary
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: you know and i i know thereason i had gotten into it was because
[Bianca Thomas]: i grew up as a kid feelingincredibly unlovable and
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: incredibly [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: unworthy you know my i love myparents to death they did their best but
[Bianca Thomas]: i just i never felt good andi was always the black sheep i had
[Bianca Thomas]: a lot of mental health challenges asa kid
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: i was the problematic middle child andit caused a lot
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: of chaos [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: and it also caused me to havea lot of you know our turmoil so
[Bianca Thomas]: by [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: the time i’m sixteen and i’m tryingto find myself and trying to you know
[Bianca Thomas]: figure out my place in the worldthis person comes into my life and i
[Bianca Thomas]: like oh my god someone’s giving meattention what
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: a lot of people do when theyhave severe low self worth and low self
[Bianca Thomas]: esteem so i end up dating thisperson and it ended up being an abusive
[Bianca Thomas]: lationship and [Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: it took me four [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: years but i was eventually able toget out of it but you know unfortunately
[Bianca Thomas]: the pattern only continued from that point [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: and the cycle only started from thatpoint you know i had
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: a series of [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: really toxic relationships after that thankfully itwas never to the point where it was
[Bianca Thomas]: abusive like that again but i meanmentally emotionally psychologically they were just all very
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah very toxic and just very painfuland i was in a period
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: of my life where i just genuinely [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: had no idea who i was ididn’t know my place in the world i
[Bianca Thomas]: didn’t know what i wanted to doi didn’t know where i fit in or
[Bianca Thomas]: where i was supposed to go andi just kept getting caught up in these
[Bianca Thomas]: really vicious cycles and at that pointi started understanding my sexuality and started understanding
[Bianca Thomas]: like oh i think i’m bi sexuallike i’m i’m fine myself being attracted to
[Bianca Thomas]: girls [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: like what is going on i havea middle eastern family like i can’t be
[Bianca Thomas]: gay i can’t [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: experience this like [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: what’s going to happen to me ifthey find out so i just kept going
[Bianca Thomas]: back and forth in all of theseplaces and you know thankfully i don’t know
[Bianca Thomas]: if it was god i don’t knowif it was grace i don’t know if
[Bianca Thomas]: it was the universe whatever whatever itwas but because of me always having been
[Bianca Thomas]: athletic and doing power lifting and intopersonal development i actually met my mentor at
[Bianca Thomas]: the gym and he introduced me tohis business partner and meeting them it completely
[Bianca Thomas]: changed my life you know they werethe
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: first two people who ever believed inme who ever saw me whoever had an
[Bianca Thomas]: understanding of like now you actually domatter there are these amazing things about you
[Bianca Thomas]: and if you you know if youjust learn personal development if you work on
[Bianca Thomas]: all of these things if you dothis you know you could be extraordinary and
[Bianca Thomas]: i did and doing that got meto meet my business partner and we were
[Bianca Thomas]: able to start you know building ourbusiness and growing and do all of these
[Bianca Thomas]: incredible things but i had never fullyworked on that unlovability component i had never
[Bianca Thomas]: fully worked [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: on that worthiness [Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: component so to the story you werealluding to i end up getting into another
[Bianca Thomas]: is aligned relationship with someone and itwas another it was honestly pretty traumatic it
[Bianca Thomas]: was with a woman and my parentsfound out and they didn’t know i was
[Bianca Thomas]: gay so i end up having toleave home move in with this person after
[Bianca Thomas]: a month of no then because ihad no where to go and
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: we ended up being together and ilost all of my friends almost lost my
[Bianca Thomas]: business my mentors didn’t want anything todo with me because i was just so
[Bianca Thomas]: i was like reverting to this personthat i thought that i had overcome and
[Bianca Thomas]: what you alluded to a post iput on instagram today the day we’re recording
[Bianca Thomas]: this is actually a year from theday that i had left that relationship and
[Bianca Thomas]: had started to be able two completelyturn my life around and you know start
[Bianca Thomas]: to develop into the person that iam today that i’m just truly so grateful
[Bianca Thomas]: to be and i’m proud of oh [Nick McGowan]: as it should be there’s a lotof ship that can happen within a year
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and there’s a lot that can happenwithin an
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: hour a day a week and ithink some people don’t really understand the power
[Nick McGowan]: that they have within themselves once theystart to make changes some people
[Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: just [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: let years go by and shut i’llbe honest i was in a marriage for
[Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: eight years and several those years ijust kind of allowed things to go by
[Bianca Thomas]: ye [Nick McGowan]: because i had just given up ondifferent things and was unsure of how to
[Nick McGowan]: work through it but once you makethat decision
[Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: to start making changes [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: that [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: that muscle shows itself and you’re ableto start using it using it so here
[Nick McGowan]: we are a year later congrats bythe way nd i’m proud of what
[Bianca Thomas]: thank [Nick McGowan]: you’ve done [Bianca Thomas]: you [Nick McGowan]: so far and i’ve [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: only known you for a little bitso why give us a little bit of
[Nick McGowan]: little bit of context of the situationa little deeper than what you had and
[Nick McGowan]: then looking back at it now thisis kind of a live raw moment where
[Nick McGowan]: we get to kind of talk throughwhere
[Bianca Thomas]: yah [Nick McGowan]: it’s been a year it’s been afucking year
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: so what does this look like overthe ours of the year and what do
[Nick McGowan]: you see [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: coming up [Bianca Thomas]: this year has been one of themost painful but extraordinary years of my life
[Bianca Thomas]: i i was so [Bianca Thomas]: desperately co dependent i couldn’t be alonei couldn’t rely on myself i had no
[Bianca Thomas]: sense of self worth no sense ofidentity and yeah i didn’t know how to
[Bianca Thomas]: navigate in the world without someone beingthere and it was the first time in
[Bianca Thomas]: my life that i had ever finallybeen on my own you know because i
[Bianca Thomas]: went from living in my parents houseto moving in with this person and
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: after we broken up you know myparents were telling me to come back and
[Bianca Thomas]: telling me you know they wanted meto move home and we could work on
[Bianca Thomas]: things and you know now is theopportunity and something inside of me just said
[Bianca Thomas]: you know don’t don’t do it youcan’t go from one world back into an
[Bianca Thomas]: old one like this is your opportunityye this is your chance to battle all
[Bianca Thomas]: of the ship that got you tothis point that you’re in right now take
[Bianca Thomas]: it and [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: i almost didn’t like i’m not goingto lie i almost moved back to my
[Bianca Thomas]: parents house because it was easier [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: it would have been so easy tojust let someone take care of me again
[Bianca Thomas]: but there was a voice that thatsaid you’re trying to do incredible things in
[Bianca Thomas]: the world with the business that you’redoing and the people that you’re helping and
[Bianca Thomas]: everything that you’re doing you can’t backyou have to do this and so i
[Bianca Thomas]: did and so when this person andi had broken up it was a really
[Bianca Thomas]: bad break up and i actually wasliving out of my car for a while
[Bianca Thomas]: you know i was couch hopping ondifferent people’s couches and a cousin of mine
[Bianca Thomas]: had let me go stay with herfor few days and then i finally was
[Bianca Thomas]: able to get an apartment but iwas sleeping on an air mattress for like
[Bianca Thomas]: a month no furniture having to uselike hot spot from my wife i taking
[Bianca Thomas]: client calls [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: and coaching calls and working from thisapartment kind of still living out of my
[Bianca Thomas]: car for a while and it itchallenged me in ways that i didn’t know
[Bianca Thomas]: was possible like i if you wouldhave asked me three years ago like what
[Bianca Thomas]: my life would have been like inever would have a sumed that that’s where
[Bianca Thomas]: i would have gone or that’s somethingthat i would have had to do especially
[Bianca Thomas]: given the upbringing that i had thefamily that i had so i was able
[Bianca Thomas]: to actually move out of that apartmentand move into the one that i’m living
[Bianca Thomas]: in now which has been incredible it’sactually my old the original mentor this is
[Bianca Thomas]: his old apartment so complete [Nick McGowan]: nice [Bianca Thomas]: synqrinicity i spent so much time herebefore and now i live here but
[Nick McGowan]: so [Bianca Thomas]: i was [Nick McGowan]: cool [Bianca Thomas]: able to move in here and ifaced some of the darkest days of my
[Bianca Thomas]: life being here it was the firsttime i had ever truly been alone you
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: know because i worked from home andmy business is online and i’ve done an
[Bianca Thomas]: exceptional job of being extremely selective ofwho i allow into my life so i’m
[Bianca Thomas]: not really going out much i don’tgo to bars i don’t go do all
[Bianca Thomas]: of these things and i intentionally madesure not to fall into the old pattern
[Bianca Thomas]: again of [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: just seeking pleasure doing these easy thingsso i was sitting here in completely empty
[Bianca Thomas]: apartment with just a couple o couchesand a bed and i had to face
[Bianca Thomas]: those parts of me that i hadbeen running away from for so long and
[Bianca Thomas]: the parts that i actually work onwith clients of mine in the cognitive behavior
[Bianca Thomas]: al therapy and the cognitive behavioral therapycoaching that i do so challenging limiting beliefs
[Bianca Thomas]: understanding thought process is that we haveunderstanding social learning theory and how did you
[Bianca Thomas]: develop into the person that you arenow understanding um thought records and how the
[Bianca Thomas]: way that think interact with how youfeel and causes you to do the things
[Bianca Thomas]: that you do so i had toreally look at my life and say how
[Bianca Thomas]: did i get here and really anlies all of the different all of the
[Bianca Thomas]: different things that i had been runningaway from that had gotten me to the
[Bianca Thomas]: place where i was and the pastyear has been extraordinary because i was finally
[Bianca Thomas]: able to do that i was ableto see the darkest parts of me to
[Bianca Thomas]: see the parts that i had beenterrified of that kept me making those same
[Bianca Thomas]: mistakes over and over again and healthem and to do the work that i
[Bianca Thomas]: do now with all of the peoplethat i do that work with you know
[Bianca Thomas]: it wouldn’t have been possible if ididn’t do that or running a six person
[Bianca Thomas]: team or having a tech company youknow it’s i wouldn’t have been able to
[Bianca Thomas]: be this person if i didn’t letmyself honestly suffer and
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: i know a lot of the newuh influences and whoever there there’s a lot
[Bianca Thomas]: of them that say no you don’tneed to suffer you don’t need to go
[Bianca Thomas]: through pain it doesn’t have to bei actually think it’s the exact opposite i
[Bianca Thomas]: think [Nick McGowan]: agree [Bianca Thomas]: you have to face your demons youhave to face the darkest parts of you
[Bianca Thomas]: and i think you [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: have to suffer you have to gothrough the pain because otherwise how do you
[Bianca Thomas]: learn now don’t sit in it [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: don’t become a victim don’t allow the [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: pain to start directing beliefs and startcausing you to have you know mal adaptive
[Bianca Thomas]: thinking processes but learn from it sitin it try to recognize where is your
[Bianca Thomas]: mind taking you because if you canunderstand
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: all of those things if you canendure the suffering long enough there’s all lessons
[Bianca Thomas]: at the end of it that youcan start to work towards and that’s exactly
[Bianca Thomas]: what i did i finally got quietand i sat and i listened and i
[Bianca Thomas]: was [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: able to learn that my entire senseof worth my entire sense of self my
[Bianca Thomas]: entire sense of love ability came fromsomebody else telling me that i was enough
[Bianca Thomas]: from somebody else telling me that iwas deserving of being loved and it was
[Bianca Thomas]: always people who were battling those demonsthemselves
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: because [Nick McGowan]: and [Bianca Thomas]: like attract like [Nick McGowan]: m yeah [Bianca Thomas]: i [Nick McGowan]: miserable [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: people like miserable company [Bianca Thomas]: ye [Nick McGowan]: and they pull those [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: people in it’s a [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: it’s an interesting [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: and powerful thing when you’re in aspot where you’re all by you’re fucking self
[Nick McGowan]: and [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: the only person you can deal withis you because that’s the person you have
[Nick McGowan]: to deal with [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and i think a lot of peopleare afraid to step into that
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: s also bullshit that they feed themselvesthat we all do i’ve done it you’ve
[Nick McGowan]: done it everybody that’s listen to theshow has done it and it’s a matter
[Nick McGowan]: of if you continue to do itif you continue to feed yourself to bullshit
[Nick McGowan]: because have conversations with people were likeyou got t get real you ot to
[Nick McGowan]: be aware of what’s going on [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: at the wife the kids this thatthe job the blah blah like whatever they
[Nick McGowan]: want to put in front of thembecause they’re fucking fraid of it but when
[Nick McGowan]: you’re there and you’re working through itthink back to that think back to that
[Nick McGowan]: moment without living in the moment let’swatch the movie don’t be in the movie
[Nick McGowan]: but thinking back [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: to that moment it’s almost like agym where you’re in it and you’re actively
[Nick McGowan]: working and you’re sweating your ass offi’ve had sessions doing
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: that where i’m fucking dripping because theemotions are coming out all the stuff that’s
[Nick McGowan]: coming out of it so for somebodythat’s in that spot that knows that they
[Nick McGowan]: need to do it and they maybe calling us bullshit right now you you
[Nick McGowan]: know you need to do it [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: so what sort of advice would yougive that person that’s sitting there going i
[Nick McGowan]: don’t know because of whatever b show did you get yourself to that spot
[Nick McGowan]: where you’re like i have to spendthe they do this and get away from
[Nick McGowan]: the excuses [Bianca Thomas]: ah in all honesty it took mehaving to suffer the same mistake over and
[Bianca Thomas]: over again [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: and [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: i’ve only shared this on one othershow but
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: the reason i ended up leaving thatrelationship was after a really really horrible fight
[Bianca Thomas]: that this person and i had hadwhere she didn’t like the people in my
[Bianca Thomas]: life didn’t like my mentors didn’t likeall of these people and we had gotten
[Bianca Thomas]: into an argument about one of mymentors and it had gotten so escaladed that
[Bianca Thomas]: i was trying to get into theshower and i had a towel over me
[Bianca Thomas]: and i ended up going next tothe toilet and just crunching over trying to
[Bianca Thomas]: like hide i felt like so childishbut
[Nick McGowan]: wow [Bianca Thomas]: i was crunched over and i wasscreaming get away from me get away from
[Bianca Thomas]: me get away from me leave mealone and our dog was downstairs and the
[Bianca Thomas]: dog is barking and i’m screaming cryingand i’m like please just leave me alone
[Bianca Thomas]: like i can’t do this any moreget out of my face and i don’t
[Bianca Thomas]: think i have ever been that triggeredlike i don’t think i’ve been that
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: triggered since i was a kid youknow when i was going through a lot
[Bianca Thomas]: of men health challenges and you knowbeing in a really disfunctional family but it
[Bianca Thomas]: took that [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: it took me seeing myself in thatmoment and being like how the fuck did
[Bianca Thomas]: i let myself get here [Nick McGowan]: m yeah [Bianca Thomas]: how the fuck did i let myselfdo this again we got a
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: dog together and i knew it wasa terrible idea but i was so trying
[Bianca Thomas]: to save it that i’m like wellwe need to get a shared thing together
[Bianca Thomas]: and we need to make it happyand
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: we ned to do this and weneed to do that like how many people
[Bianca Thomas]: have had a baby together because theirmarriage was failing and they’re like well we
[Bianca Thomas]: need to do something [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: to salvage it or you know whateverit might end up being but as in
[Bianca Thomas]: that moment and i’m like oh mygod i can’t do this i can’t do
[Bianca Thomas]: this any more [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: so in all honesty it took mehaving to go
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: there finally be like you can neverlet this happen again
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: and [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: you know thankfully i got the lessonand there have been so many moments sitting
[Bianca Thomas]: here in this apartment bawling eyes outyeah just so angry at myself and blaming
[Bianca Thomas]: myself and trying to blame this otherperson which never does anything because i’m the
[Bianca Thomas]: one that entered the relationship it’s likeyou get to a point where you stop
[Bianca Thomas]: blaming everyone else and you finally lookin that mirror
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: and you realize you know it’s yourfault that you’re here and now it’s your
[Bianca Thomas]: responsibility to fix it and now iwork as a mental health councilor right so
[Bianca Thomas]: i work with a lot of traumavictims and a lot of people who have
[Bianca Thomas]: endured honestly the most horrific stories i’veever heard this is not to say that
[Bianca Thomas]: you know people who have truly beendramatized and who have experienced dramatic events like
[Bianca Thomas]: it’s your fault that you got therethat’s not what i’m saying at all but
[Bianca Thomas]: i know for me at one hundredper cent was my fault because i
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: knew i shouldn’t have entered the relationshipand i got into it anyways and every
[Bianca Thomas]: other relationship i knew it was wrongyeah to your point there was something inside
[Bianca Thomas]: of me that just like i couldn’ti couldn’t stop myself it’s like the excuses
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: were there no but they’re a goodperson no but you know this time it
[Bianca Thomas]: will be different no but no butwhatever and we have these excuses
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: as protective mechanisms we’re trying to gainsome sort of safety some sort of security
[Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: and it’s [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: actually adaptive it’s functional for human beingsto go into what they know it’s it’s
[Bianca Thomas]: a protective mechanism we we continue thepatterns that we know because they keep us
[Bianca Thomas]: safe but the challenge is we doit so well that it actually becomes a
[Bianca Thomas]: detriment [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: so we get [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: into a familiar type of relationship becausewe know what it’s going to be like
[Bianca Thomas]: but we also know how terrible it’sgoing to be too but
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Bianca Thomas]: the devil you know is better thanthe one that you
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Bianca Thomas]: don’t so let me at least justdo this and it will be fine and
[Bianca Thomas]: i’ll deal with it [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: for a lot of people the ideaof change the idea of growth the idea
[Bianca Thomas]: of evolution which is actually what ourpodcast and what our business is called it’s
[Bianca Thomas]: called evolved shares the concept of changingis terrifying because it’s unfamiliar because it’s unknown
[Bianca Thomas]: because as human beings one of ourcore fundamental needs is certainty and when we
[Bianca Thomas]: are not [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: certain of what’s going to happen can’tdo it we won’t jump into it unless
[Bianca Thomas]: the pain is great enough and [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: that’s what it took for me ittook my paradyme and my entire world being
[Bianca Thomas]: shaken for me to finally realize ican’t do this any more and i can’t
[Bianca Thomas]: work with people ethically and keep makingthese stupid ass mistakes but trying to tell
[Bianca Thomas]: someone else to change their life [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: i had a lot of clients whoknew that i was doing that and they
[Bianca Thomas]: quit and i [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: ended up talking to them afterwards [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: and i apologized and i said youknow i am so sorry i am so
[Bianca Thomas]: sorry i was so wrong i shouldnot have been coaching you and i was
[Bianca Thomas]: in that place and now thankfully becauseof the experience that i’ve gone through and
[Bianca Thomas]: all of the work that i doin all of the education i’m a i’m
[Bianca Thomas]: an avid learner like you can seeall the books behind me that’s not even
[Bianca Thomas]: a fraction of the books [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: that i have i’m always learning and [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: so i’m able to really help thepeople that i work with you know i’ve
[Bianca Thomas]: worked with some of the most insanestories you’ll have ever heard and i know
[Bianca Thomas]: it’s because i was able to gointo the darkest places within myself and heal
[Bianca Thomas]: those and understand them and learn themand
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: work through so i know i canhelp other people do the same
[Nick McGowan]: yeah and the anchors are a bigthing and people don’t really think about those
[Nick McGowan]: consciously we all don’t naturally just thinkabout that but for you to have that
[Nick McGowan]: negative anchor for you to now look [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: back at and go well fuck [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: that’s never going to happen again becausethat was
[Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: extremely painful and it goes into whatyou were talking about with suffering and i’m
[Nick McGowan]: right there with you there’s the influencesand the people of the world you don’t
[Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: have to suffer fuck that one hundredpercent
[Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: every [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: single person is going to suffer insome sort of
[Bianca Thomas]: m yeah [Nick McGowan]: way and yes [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i agree with them to an extentyou don’t have to live in the suffering
[Bianca Thomas]: yes [Nick McGowan]: but you do have to be awareof it now a chip i think one
[Nick McGowan]: of the one of the most lifechanging books i’ve ever read in my entire
[Nick McGowan]: life is man’s search for meaning fromvictor
[Bianca Thomas]: that book [Nick McGowan]: franke [Bianca Thomas]: is phenomenal [Nick McGowan]: it’s all [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: about meaning and suffering all of it [Bianca Thomas]: i [Nick McGowan]: so [Bianca Thomas]: am [Nick McGowan]: having that meaning is huge [Bianca Thomas]: i am notorious for me and mybusiness partner we actually rumble on this idea
[Bianca Thomas]: a lot but i am an avidbeliever that things do not happen for a
[Bianca Thomas]: reason i hate that quote i reallydo because you can’t have heard the stories
[Bianca Thomas]: that i have heard of little girlsand their dads coming into their room
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: and doing things them or you knowjust the horrific stories that i have heard
[Bianca Thomas]: you cannot say that it happened fora reason there is no reason why happened
[Bianca Thomas]: but what i tell all of myclients is you have the choice and the
[Bianca Thomas]: opportunity right now to make a greatermeaning from what happened d
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: what happened to you is not fairwhat happened to you was terrible that should
[Bianca Thomas]: not happen to anybody but what arewe going to do now what is the
[Bianca Thomas]: meaning [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: that that is going to have forour life and that actually is exactly what
[Bianca Thomas]: cognitive behavioral therapy does so the typeof therapy that i’m specialized in it looks
[Bianca Thomas]: at the beliefs that we develop overour life span from our environment from the
[Bianca Thomas]: situations we experienced from the people thatwere around and it looks at the beliefs
[Bianca Thomas]: that we develop about ourselves and thenhow we engage in the world based on
[Bianca Thomas]: those beliefs struck sure and so whatc b t does is it helps to
[Bianca Thomas]: change the beliefs it helps to restructure and remodel and remake the belief by
[Bianca Thomas]: you no help to just change thestyle of thinking or change the behaviors or
[Bianca Thomas]: to like go out and seek newexperiences which is all three exactly what i
[Bianca Thomas]: did for myself but so it reallylooks at what is the meaning that you
[Bianca Thomas]: are giving to the situations that youare in and what are you doing about
[Bianca Thomas]: them because most of us don’t realizethat are interpreting almost everything around us is
[Bianca Thomas]: negative and we’re acting on that we’reacting on these unconscious patterns and so when
[Bianca Thomas]: you take a meaning of i wentthrough a break up again it means i’m
[Bianca Thomas]: worthless and we don’t know we’re sayingthis to ourselves but we are and you
[Bianca Thomas]: can [Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: tell by your behavior so when everythinggoes through that lens of i’m not good
[Bianca Thomas]: enough i’m not lovable i’m not worthwhile the future is hopeless which was exactly
[Bianca Thomas]: what i went through you’re going tolive a terrible life and i’m the proof
[Bianca Thomas]: i did [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: it wasn’t until i started changing themeaning that i was giving to all of
[Bianca Thomas]: these things and changing the meanings thati gave to myself that i was able
[Bianca Thomas]: to break free from all of thosethings but to your original point man’s search
[Bianca Thomas]: for meaning you create the meaning foryour life it
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: is not something that just happens yeslife and and of itself does happen ship
[Bianca Thomas]: happen what are you going to doabout it we all have the choice we
[Bianca Thomas]: have the opportunity to make a choiceabout what happens what we do about it
[Bianca Thomas]: what it means about us in ourfuture and this is not to say changing
[Bianca Thomas]: these is easy because it’s not whenyou’ve lived
[Nick McGowan]: a [Bianca Thomas]: with a fundamental belief that you arenot good enough for ten twenty thirty forty
[Bianca Thomas]: fifty years it’s not going to changea night and you’re not going to go
[Bianca Thomas]: from one end of the extreme tothe other in a mile a second but
[Bianca Thomas]: if you [Nick McGowan]: m [Bianca Thomas]: do the work it will start tochange and i i am the proof i
[Bianca Thomas]: was a hopeless wreck i was awreck i was suicidal i was self harming
[Bianca Thomas]: i kept getting into these horrible situationsyou know yeah if you saw me as
[Bianca Thomas]: a kid you never would have believedthat i would be the person that i
[Bianca Thomas]: am today but i was able toand it all came from little by little
[Bianca Thomas]: over time making [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: new things happen for me making newice is slowly and surely getting myself out
[Bianca Thomas]: there doing exposure therapy forcing myself intosituations and learning how to be comfortable with
[Bianca Thomas]: it learning how to in front ofa camera like this one of my mentors
[Bianca Thomas]: had me record a video every singleday and send it to him so i
[Bianca Thomas]: could get comfortable speaking and being infront of a camera we all have the
[Bianca Thomas]: capability of doing it the difference iswill you and what is it going to
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Bianca Thomas]: take for you to finally do thatfor me it took me needing to be
[Bianca Thomas]: curled next to a toilet hysterically cryingand shaking
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: for me to finally change and ihope none of you have to go through
[Bianca Thomas]: that but if you do let thatbe the final straw
[Nick McGowan]: that’s a good point i don’t thinkthat people have to go through things but
[Nick McGowan]: at the same time think there area lot of people that they need to
[Nick McGowan]: feel through [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: things they need to go through situations [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and it’s interesting i was on apodcast recently about dad’s i’m not a father
[Nick McGowan]: but i’ve got one [Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: and i was talking [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: about my relationship with him my relationshipmy grandfather how different things have come up
[Nick McGowan]: and how there’s just different ways thatthey’ve passed along information to each other and
[Nick McGowan]: then it gets [Bianca Thomas]: hm [Nick McGowan]: to you and it’s up to youto either break the chain or continue to
[Nick McGowan]: move forward with it and you don’thave to subscribe to everything that’s just given
[Nick McGowan]: to you but it’s a matter ofdoing something with it now one of the
[Nick McGowan]: things that i love in this entireworld is technology but one of the things
[Nick McGowan]: that i have grown to kind ofhate certain ways is technology because we get
[Nick McGowan]: so we want things instantly we wanteverything right fucking now and i know that
[Nick McGowan]: i do at different times but thissort of
[Bianca Thomas]: m [Nick McGowan]: work isn’t a right now and ithink that holds some people back where they’re
[Nick McGowan]: like well fuit i can hop onan instagram or tik tok and get dope
[Nick McGowan]: after dopamen after dopeameand [Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: then i can fast food and icecream and look i’m fucking happy but you’re
[Nick McGowan]: not it’s just one big bandage onanother bandage on another bandage this work takes
[Nick McGowan]: time to be able to do itme of those people have to go through
[Nick McGowan]: ship to be able to beat toughand go all right i know that this
[Nick McGowan]: really sucked and they need to movethrough it what sort of advice would you
[Nick McGowan]: give to somebody that’s on their pathtowards self mastery and trying to make those
[Nick McGowan]: changes but just not able to getinto that space to start the work
[Bianca Thomas]: oh have the courage to be vulnerableenough to look at the darkest parts of
[Bianca Thomas]: you and i use the word vulnerablevery intentionally a lot of us think it’s
[Bianca Thomas]: a matter of just grit and toughit out and whatever and i don’t think
[Bianca Thomas]: that’s true you can’t [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Bianca Thomas]: tough here out of trauma you can’ttough your
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Bianca Thomas]: way out of depression you can’t toughyour way out of panic disorder and a
[Bianca Thomas]: gorphobia or a failing marriage or afailing business or whatever you have to be
[Bianca Thomas]: willing to be vulnerable enough to understandwhat is really going on and then go
[Bianca Thomas]: get help [Nick McGowan]: it’s a great point great point andi know tha you’re actively doing the
[Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: work again i know we’ve only knowneach other for a little bit of time
[Nick McGowan]: here but i’m proud of what you’vedone the work
[Bianca Thomas]: thank [Nick McGowan]: that you’ve [Bianca Thomas]: you [Nick McGowan]: put in and who you are nowso thank you for doing that and for
[Nick McGowan]: sharing and continuing to do the fuckingwork because it’s not over it’s a
[Bianca Thomas]: oh [Nick McGowan]: constant thing it’s the evolution right [Bianca Thomas]: exactly every day [Nick McGowan]: okay [Bianca Thomas]: i will never stop doing this youknow it’s not it’s not six months you’re
[Bianca Thomas]: healed and then you stop it’s [Nick McGowan]: uh [Bianca Thomas]: six months and then [Nick McGowan]: h [Bianca Thomas]: the rest of your life [Nick McGowan]: hm so where can people find you [Bianca Thomas]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and where can they connect with you [Bianca Thomas]: i am on every social media platformi’m more prevalent on instagram so the uh
[Bianca Thomas]: my name is evolved with bianca youcan follow of all ventures technologies where on
[Bianca Thomas]: facebook instagram um we have a privatefacebook page it’s a free free page we
[Bianca Thomas]: have incredible people or um evolve venturessociety so those are all you know a
[Bianca Thomas]: few places that you can go andthe podcast of all ventures
[Nick McGowan]: beautiful everybody go check it out allthat stuff will be in the show notes
[Nick McGowan]: as well and thank you so muchfor being on the show it’s been a
[Nick McGowan]: pleasure [Bianca Thomas]: thank you for having me