Episode summary: Growing up in New York, Matt LeBris grew up with that hustle mentality. Choosing money over everything has a cost though.
Matt learned that choosing money means you neglect relationships and hurt those who care about you. Now, Matt has done everything he can to become the better of himself.
He’s taking therapy to talk about an abusive relationship he was in, ‘hustles’ mindfully, gives time to loved ones, and treat people with respect.
Guest Name & Bio: Matt LeBris is a born and raised NY’er who inevitably caught the hustler’s spirit that fills his hometown streets. He previously worked with Daymond John of Shark Tank and currently hosts a top 1% globally ranked podcast, Decoding Success, which has featured the likes of Grant Cardone, Mel Robbins, and many more.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Hey Matt. welcome to the show, man. How are you doing? [Matt LeBris]: Nick let me first before i even answer that question i just want to say [Matt LeBris]: thank you for the opportunity i know we’re having good vibes and we’re exchanging some [Matt LeBris]: pleasantries before we even dive into things so i just want to say thank you [Matt LeBris]: for the opportunity to be here with you and things are today is a good [Matt LeBris]: day i’m trying to take [Matt LeBris]: life day by day i don’t know how much you can resonate with living too [Matt LeBris]: much in the future maybe too much in the past i’m one of those people [Matt LeBris]: but today is a good day and i’m trying to be right here right now with you [Nick McGowan]: good ship man i appreciate that thank you for the kind words i think we’re [Nick McGowan]: gonna have a great conversation typically when i talk to somebody from the north east [Nick McGowan]: we were kind of slip into north east isms so i expect [Nick McGowan]: some of that shit going to come up but I know that we’re going to alsoget into what you just talked about there are the good days there the bad days there also the times where you’re just so far in the past or so far in the future you just need o pull your ass back and get to present and we can probably just spend most of the sucking conversation talking about that stuff but let’s actually give a little bit of context here man why don’t you tell us who you are you know basically what you do for a living and give us one thing that most people don’t know about you that’s a little odd or bizarre
[Matt LeBris]: absolutely so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: born and raised new york or whoinevitably call it the hustler spirit that fills
[Matt LeBris]: my hometown streets i that’s the bestway to describe me that is the best
[Matt LeBris]: way to describe me born and raisedhere and like i said
[Matt LeBris]: you know just being from the hustleand bustle of new york seeing what’s possible
[Matt LeBris]: seeing how fast things move [Nick McGowan]: okay [Matt LeBris]: it’s really really hard not to bea part of that on the flip side
[Matt LeBris]: of it’s really important to detach fromthat
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: but essentially you know life took medown the craziest roller coaster and i know
[Matt LeBris]: a million to one people get atest to that everyone’s rollo coaster is different
[Matt LeBris]: with a lot of similarities at timesi thought i was going to be a
[Matt LeBris]: professional baseball player but i’ll tell youi am not a professional baseball player
[Matt LeBris]: i am a [Matt LeBris]: gentleman in business to say the absoluteleast formerly worked with damon john of shark
[Matt LeBris]: tank directly out of college which wasan incredible opportunity and it
[Matt LeBris]: led me to what i’m doing todaywhich is sing a podcast of my own
[Matt LeBris]: and also running an agency but i’lltell you this nick in full transparency although
[Matt LeBris]: i do that today i can’t sayit’s what i’m going to be doing tomorrow
[Matt LeBris]: and i like to throw that theretoo and you know one thing that people
[Matt LeBris]: don’t know about me is probably thefact that i still pick my nose and
[Matt LeBris]: wipe it under the desk that i’msitting
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: at i definitely don’t say that oftenbut i’m going to go with that because
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: it’s the first thing he can tomy mind
[Nick McGowan]: fucking [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: amen thank you [Matt LeBris]: okay [Nick McGowan]: i ask people for something that’s weirdor bizarre and something that most people don’t
[Nick McGowan]: know and dude you just checked offall the boxes and you got super vulnerable
[Nick McGowan]: with us because i’m sure most peopleeven in their you
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: know in their teens are like idon’t want to talk about picking my nose
[Nick McGowan]: or as they get older in theirtwenties thirties forties like you don’t typically just
[Nick McGowan]: talk about that so i just going [Matt LeBris]: uh [Nick McGowan]: straight to the point like i gotan itch i pick it and then i
[Nick McGowan]: wipe it somewhere and it’s not onthe body
[Matt LeBris]: oh dude now i’m a big [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: gold digger man and i’m not goingaround looking for a sugar mamma but
[Nick McGowan]: um [Matt LeBris]: i am one hundred percent digging forgold numerous
[Nick McGowan]: umm [Matt LeBris]: times in the day and i amvery proud to pull out some really nice
[Matt LeBris]: booker [Nick McGowan]: uh [Matt LeBris]: so i hope that’s i hope that’sa great
[Nick McGowan]: h m [Matt LeBris]: answer and i hope no one elsehas ever said that in the forty
[Matt LeBris]: plus episode [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: you’ve recorded [Nick McGowan]: no no nobody has and now there’sa bar that has been set for everybody
[Nick McGowan]: else so to those who are listeningto this show if you’re going to be
[Nick McGowan]: a guest on this show you bettercome up with something fucking weirder
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: than that or more vulnerable i should [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: say because the most part you knowwe all do that sort of stuff it’s
[Nick McGowan]: that’s like the sort of ship that [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: people don’t really want to talk aboutbut they have problems with just like mental
[Nick McGowan]: health you know think of [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: us as men through ship where [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: especially being raised in the north east [Matt LeBris]: ah [Nick McGowan]: i don’t know [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: exactly what it was like in yourarea but in that area you fucking get
[Nick McGowan]: up you put dirt on it andyou keep fucking going that’s typically
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: how it roll especially as we wereyounger and that has to change now i
ean that’s even a major portion to
why i have the show is to be
[Nick McGowan]: able to talk through that sort ofstuff and get through the trauma and what
[Nick McGowan]: not so again man i appreciate yourbeing honest and vulnerable
[Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: but let’s go a little deeper within [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: that not deeper into your nose liketouching your brain but deeper into the what
[Nick McGowan]: actually makes you you so you’d mentionedabout damon and that’s that’s all and that
[Nick McGowan]: you had worked with him he seemslike a great dude but he also seems
[Nick McGowan]: like one of those guys that illliterally hold you over the fire and hold
[Nick McGowan]: you accountable so talk to us aboutthat tell us how you got into that
[Nick McGowan]: situation with him and how it shapedyou
[Matt LeBris]: i’m going to tell you a crazystory
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: i’m going to try and keep itquick but a crazy freaking story that you
[Matt LeBris]: know when the universe is working foryou the universe is working for you and
[Matt LeBris]: it’s always [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: working for us right back tracking before [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: i met damon i was in newyork city hospitality so two older individuals who
[Matt LeBris]: are [Nick McGowan]: right [Matt LeBris]: very very good friends of mine theywere in
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: hospitality before me just to the factthat i mean essentially to be in hospitality
[Matt LeBris]: here you need to be a certainage so i could never participate in it
[Matt LeBris]: without a fake idea but [Matt LeBris]: it got to a point where iwas a partner in a business for and
[Matt LeBris]: years which yielded me the result [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: of meeting incredible people incredible and aplethora of
[Matt LeBris]: them like my role decks i amso grateful for the
[Matt LeBris]: amount of people that i know uhat the same time it kind of shoots
[Matt LeBris]: me and you know shoots myself inthe foot because you know i don’t want
[Matt LeBris]: to date a girl that’s hooked upwith this person because i know them you
[Matt LeBris]: know like [Nick McGowan]: ye [Matt LeBris]: that’s a whole other rabbit hole [Nick McGowan]: sure [Matt LeBris]: ultimately the reason bring [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: this up is because i met incrediblepeople through that opportunity a gentleman that worked
[Matt LeBris]: with damon just so happened to besomeone that i met the same day i
[Matt LeBris]: met damon and here’s how it wenti was in dominican republic while in college
[Matt LeBris]: celebrating spring break i made a shipton of money while in college and i’m
[Matt LeBris]: very grateful for that i say ithumbly and i used what i learned to
[Matt LeBris]: help the people in my college becausei went to a college in a very
[Matt LeBris]: food desert just like a poverty filledarea of south jamaica queen
[Matt LeBris]: so if you know fifty cent [Matt LeBris]: if you know g unit if youknow nicky manage like those artists emerge from
[Matt LeBris]: that area it’s the hood you knowand i say
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: that politely i went to college thereand i didn’t come from that area so
[Matt LeBris]: i wanted to use what i youknow
[Matt LeBris]: learned and gathered to help other peopleand i did exactly that so while i’m
[Matt LeBris]: in dominican republic and i’m a studentleader at this point like i said i’m
[Matt LeBris]: helping as many people as i couldhelp i’m in dominican republic on spring break
[Matt LeBris]: with two people i didn’t attend collegewith i get a phone call across the
[Matt LeBris]: top of my phone and it sayscuny your college which is where i went
[Matt LeBris]: to school and i’m like why thehell are they calling me i paid my
[Matt LeBris]: tuition like why [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: else would they be calling me iknew i paid my tuition because i paid
[Matt LeBris]: it my damn self my parents cutme off so i answered the phone the
[Matt LeBris]: woman on the other end of theline says to me matt would you like
[Matt LeBris]: the opportunity to meet damon john ofshark tanks coming
[Matt LeBris]: to our college campus [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: on x y z date i saidyeah you know i’m saying in the back
[Matt LeBris]: of my head why the hell wouldshe even need to ask me this woman
[Matt LeBris]: knows me so [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: well she should know it’s a yesit just so happened the date he was
[Matt LeBris]: coming to my school was the dayafter i was returning from my trip so
[Matt LeBris]: like things were aligning [Matt LeBris]: now i was one of three studentsinvited to meet damon in the green room
[Matt LeBris]: of you know the auditorium where hewas going to be on stage doing a
[Matt LeBris]: fireside chat i was the last personto shake his hand fast to that day
[Matt LeBris]: i was the last person to shakehis hand before he went on stage i
[Matt LeBris]: shook his hand now i’m six footfive he’s probably five foot five five foot
[Matt LeBris]: six five foot seven whatever he isi don’t know he looked at me after
[Matt LeBris]: i shook his hand and he saidwhat the hell do they teach you here
[Matt LeBris]: how to break [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: people’s hands so it was kind ofgood vibes
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: off the bat [Nick McGowan]: hm oh [Matt LeBris]: i had a five minute conversation withhim i said damon to end the conversation
[Matt LeBris]: i said damon i’m going to workfor you he looked at me like i
[Matt LeBris]: was crazy like i had ten headsi know i have one big head i
[Matt LeBris]: know [Nick McGowan]: uh [Matt LeBris]: this one is big but he lookedat me like i had ten of them
[Matt LeBris]: and that was it now after hisspeech i had brought my mentor with me
[Matt LeBris]: the gentleman that i was in businesswith in new york city hospitality we were
[Matt LeBris]: the two last people to leave thetheater so we thought we’re standing in the
[Matt LeBris]: middle i was sitting in the fronthe was sitting in the back because i
[Matt LeBris]: was a student he wasn’t a studentwe meet in the middle of the theater
[Matt LeBris]: i thought we were the last twopeople and out of my porifhial vision i
[Matt LeBris]: see santa claus or i’m sorry someonethat looks like santa claus walking up the
[Matt LeBris]: staircase and i say to my buddyi’m like where do we know this guy
[Matt LeBris]: from me looks so familiar happens tobe a gentleman named george barns this is
[Matt LeBris]: where the story comes full circle georgebarns pretty much ran new york city hospitality
[Matt LeBris]: for years [Matt LeBris]: it just so happened that i wasconnected to george lo and behold george works
[Matt LeBris]: for damon [Nick McGowan]: fulk [Matt LeBris]: that was my in that was myin and it’s not to say george got
[Matt LeBris]: me my inturnship which turned into ajob it was more so george was the
[Matt LeBris]: liaison for me to get an interview [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: and he likes me to emphasize thatbecause he didn’t pull strings and say oh
[Matt LeBris]: hi or matt it was hey here’sa kid he’s a hustler interview him i
[Matt LeBris]: interviewed i had an intern ship fora full year because i was still a
[Matt LeBris]: student and i said you know whati’m going to hustle my ass off and
[Matt LeBris]: i’m going to work for this guyand that’s exactly what i did i ended
[Matt LeBris]: up working for him for three fouryears
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: incredible opportunity i learned so much fromhim a really great guy not the type
[Matt LeBris]: of guy that will hold you overthe fire depending on the day he’s having
[Matt LeBris]: but [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: a gentleman that wants to help [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: say the least um you know bea father figure be a mentor be a
[Matt LeBris]: friend i mean there were times hewould call me eleven thirty at night because
[Matt LeBris]: he’s on the west [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: coast and i’m like dude i’m tryingto go to sleep
[Matt LeBris]: and then we would just talk [Matt LeBris]: talk about work talk about business goout to dinner have a great time you
[Matt LeBris]: know i miss having that relationship withhim because i can’t say i have it
[Matt LeBris]: still to this day i still talkto him every now and then i’ll check
[Matt LeBris]: in but an incredible incredible op ortunityto say the absolute least neck
[Nick McGowan]: that’s awesome man you know everything riseand falls on leadership and that can be
[Nick McGowan]: easy to say and a lot harderto do you know where he
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: seems like that type and i myonly connection to him right now it is
[Nick McGowan]: through you and i’m sure there therpeople that are like six degrees of kevin
[Nick McGowan]: bacon style in a sense but [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: from what i’ve seen i feel likehe’s one of those guys that is just
[Nick McGowan]: a true and true character that’s whohe is that’s what he’s about and wears
[Nick McGowan]: his heart on his sleeve so iknow going into that sort of situation it’s
uch better or much different than somebody
having an intern ship with jim bob and
[Nick McGowan]: his wife and the ship little companydown the street and then trying to figure
[Nick McGowan]: things out so what what sort ofpieces of advice would you give to somebody
[Nick McGowan]: of like here’s the three or fouror five years that i’ve had with im
[Nick McGowan]: and his team these are the majorthings that i took away from that really
[Nick McGowan]: stand out to you [Matt LeBris]: you want to know it’s crazy here’sthe first
[Matt LeBris]: one damon really put an emphasis onunderstanding that not everyone is going to have
[Matt LeBris]: an opportunity to work with garry vennerchuck or a tony robins or
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: a cat blakeley right but that jimbob that owns the laundry mat around the
[Matt LeBris]: corner from your house that’s been openfor twenty five years he’s in business for
[Matt LeBris]: twenty five years because he knows something [Matt LeBris]: damon put a lot of emphasis onthat and you know it’s because not everyone
[Matt LeBris]: and it’s not everyone’s path to encountera garry venner chuck or whomever right
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: but it is our path to potentiallymeet that person that’s been in business for
[Matt LeBris]: twenty five years so that would bethe first thing the second thing i’ll never
[Matt LeBris]: forget i was sitting at a meetingwith him once the president and i were
[Matt LeBris]: on one side of the table damon’sroad manager was on the other side and
[Matt LeBris]: damon was in the middle of thetable at c sitting at the head it’s
[Matt LeBris]: safe to say that two sides werein disagreement and damon was so level headed
[Matt LeBris]: so i had [Matt LeBris]: to pull him to the side andafter that meeting i asked an i’m like
[Matt LeBris]: dude like do you not care aboutwhat we’re talking about like what’s going on
[Matt LeBris]: he said matt business is n’t brainsurgery dude like
[Matt LeBris]: whatever we decide to do [Matt LeBris]: whatever route we decide to go withno one’s no one’s life is at risk
[Matt LeBris]: here like yeah we [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: might lose some money we might makesome money but no one’s life is at
[Matt LeBris]: risk and he had such a calmdemeanor to him all the time i’m working
[Matt LeBris]: on getting there nick i’m not therelike
[Matt LeBris]: i’m working on getting [Matt LeBris]: there i am i’m not there isay very transparently that was definitely you know
[Matt LeBris]: up there for sure in regard tothings i’ve learned secondly and although i already
[Matt LeBris]: knew that i’m sorry thirdly and althoughi already knew this it was emphasized through
[Matt LeBris]: this experience the importance of relationships [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: i credit am near all of myachievements to relationships my podcast and the guests
[Matt LeBris]: that i have on the show beingable to chop it up with you here
[Matt LeBris]: being able to work with damon thelist goes on like
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: relationships it’s not you’re not going tobe able to foster every relationship or nurture
[Matt LeBris]: every relationship so it’s important to understandwhich ones you need to do that with
[Matt LeBris]: but at the [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: same time you don’t want to burnany bridges either so for me i do
[Matt LeBris]: my absolute best to stay in contactwith me any and everyone i can like
[Matt LeBris]: i make myself laugh i actually sentan apology text message to a few women
[Matt LeBris]: that i treated poorly in my lateteens early twenties
[Matt LeBris]: because that’s how much i value relationshipsand although none of them responded to me
[Matt LeBris]: by the way um and you knowin fact one of their boy friends actually
[Matt LeBris]: called me untold me never to reachout
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Matt LeBris]: it was merely an apology because igenuinely like value relationship s on that level
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: so if i were to give youthe top three things that’s probably it i
[Matt LeBris]: can’t sit here and say like ihave the number one marketing secret
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: in the world it’s not like that [Nick McGowan]: thank you [Matt LeBris]: really comes down to those three things [Nick McGowan]: yeah and thank you for not givingme some bullshit
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: of like oh this is what itis and it’s a big package deal and
[Nick McGowan]: it’s not real that’s good stuff thoughman especially the relationships and
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: proud of you for stepping up andgoing back to those people from before it’s
[Nick McGowan]: part of like almost a twelfth stepprogram in a sense to make sure that
[Nick McGowan]: you forgive yourself [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: and then that you’re able to getthat least it out to those other people
[Nick McGowan]: if you had an expectation of ishould hear back from each one of these
[Nick McGowan]: women and they should all say tome hey you’re totally all right things are
[Nick McGowan]: great we’re cool that’s a different thingbut it doesn’t sound like that’s where you
[Nick McGowan]: were coming from you i need toget this off my chest to do it
[Nick McGowan]: the right way [Matt LeBris]: yeah man it really [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: came down to so i’ve been intherapy since june of twenty twenty and i
[Matt LeBris]: entered therapy because i was in avery very abusive relationship that i let happen
[Matt LeBris]: so it’s not [Matt LeBris]: me blaming the woman i was datingwhatsoever for you to be in a relationship
[Matt LeBris]: that has toxicity there’s a part ofyou that is also toxic in i find
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: some sort of home or closeness tothat right so i’m not blaming her but
[Matt LeBris]: it led me to go into therapyand
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: going through that process i realized likealthough i’m not getting treated or wasn’t getting
[Matt LeBris]: treated good in that relationship i’ve beenin plenty of relationships where i had to
[Matt LeBris]: entreat people good to and truth betold i i probably wanted a sincere apology
[Matt LeBris]: from the woman i was dating atthat time to just
[Matt LeBris]: say matt like i’m sorry for howi treated you
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Matt LeBris]: or for how i treat you andi still truthfully haven’t gotten that from her
[Matt LeBris]: i don’t think i ever will inthat fine sometimes you got to be able
[Matt LeBris]: to create [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: your own closure and what not buti said to my self you know what
[Matt LeBris]: there were two to three women thatlove the ship out of me i didn’t
[Matt LeBris]: treat right know [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: and just because their love made meuncomfortable that doesn’t give me the right to
[Matt LeBris]: neglect them or to toy with theiremotions just to get whatever i wanted when
[Matt LeBris]: i wanted you [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: know so i just wanted to saysorry you know and it wasn’t like i
[Matt LeBris]: was expecting to get back to getherwith any of it wasn’t that wasn’t the
[Matt LeBris]: intention the intention [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: was simply to say hey i wasyounger i toyed with your emotions i apologized
[Matt LeBris]: for what i did and that’s ityou know and
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: i kept it moving [Nick McGowan]: that’s huge vie to go to ctherapy
[Matt LeBris]: what [Nick McGowan]: and seek out some sort of helpoutside of yourself especially being in that situation
[Matt LeBris]: yeah man [Nick McGowan]: i’m sure that was one of thosethings where it wasn’t like you woke up
[Nick McGowan]: one day and you’re like what funkeverything is wrong i need to do something
[Nick McGowan]: right now it was probably stewing inthe back and i’ve experienced some of that
[Nick McGowan]: to myself i got a divorce lastyear and spent probably a couple of years
[Nick McGowan]: kind of working through ship on myown and there were things that we needed
[Nick McGowan]: to work through and realized that iabandoned myself in certain ways and ways that
[Nick McGowan]: i shouldn’t [Matt LeBris]: hm [Nick McGowan]: have ever abandoned which then kind offucked up my side of the relationship and
[Nick McGowan]: funked everything else up going forward fromthere but being able to talk to somebody
[Nick McGowan]: is huge and i know it tookme a lot to be able to get
[Nick McGowan]: to that point to go all righti need to do this but what was
[Nick McGowan]: it for you that actually helped youget over that line because again for the
[Nick McGowan]: audience i know there are people thatare on here they hear that sort of
[Nick McGowan]: stuff and they go that’s cool buti don’t really i don’t really need that
[Nick McGowan]: i don’t want to go through iti don’t want have to deal with it
[Nick McGowan]: but everybody that does that gets toa point where they go that’s it i
[Nick McGowan]: need this i need to go dothis i need to go talk to these
[Nick McGowan]: people i need to get the shipout or bad things are going to happen
[Nick McGowan]: so what happened for you to getto that point where you went i need
[Nick McGowan]: to snap out of that [Matt LeBris]: great question for me [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: personally i have to admit nick i [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: never had an issue with seeking growthwhichever
[Matt LeBris]: avenue growth would be delivered to inever had that issue i’m going a answer
[Matt LeBris]: this question in a way that ithink will help those people that you were
[Matt LeBris]: just referencing [Nick McGowan]: god [Matt LeBris]: in regard to maybe someone doesn’t wantto go seek out that help professionally or
[Matt LeBris]: they just want to take it onthemselves
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: we owey
[Matt LeBris]: it to god the universe allah whoeveryou believe in we owe it to our
[Matt LeBris]: creator whoever that may be for youto be our best version of ourselves
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: now to be our best version ofourself we’re going to have to endure the
[Matt LeBris]: storms we’re going to have to triumphover during turbulent times like all of that
[Matt LeBris]: is a part of it without adoubt but there’s nothing nothing
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: nothing that ping someone from getting helpwhile doing that you don’t have to
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: endure [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: all of that by yourself right [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: and for a long time i didi mean there’s ship more to my story
[Matt LeBris]: i mean i’ve been arrested i’ve gottenkicked out of college for grades i’ve gotten
[Matt LeBris]: kicked out of two high schools iliterally
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: blew over eighty thousand dollars [Nick McGowan]: okay [Matt LeBris]: in life savings try to live upto a certain level or standard that i
[Matt LeBris]: had for myself that was way abovemy means at that time dude like i’ve
[Matt LeBris]: been through the fucking ringer you know [Matt LeBris]: and i [Matt LeBris]: can’t necessarily we say that there wassomething that you know a specific moment that
[Matt LeBris]: made me want to go do itoutside of just knowing that i wasn’t being
[Matt LeBris]: treated right in that relationship [Matt LeBris]: what i would just say for [Matt LeBris]: other people is simply just know thatyou owe it to not only our creator
[Matt LeBris]: but also yourself to want to bethe best version of you now to
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: be that best version [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: of you it’s i don’t want tosay it’s text book but we are human
[Matt LeBris]: beings [Nick McGowan]: so [Matt LeBris]: a lot of us are wired thesame or i mean for the most part
[Matt LeBris]: where all wired the same the onlything that makes us different is our experience
[Matt LeBris]: s our upbringing [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: cetera et cetera sitting down and [Nick McGowan]: at [Matt LeBris]: talking with someone i mean listen atfirst it could get overwhelming you could be
[Matt LeBris]: you know revealing ship that you didn’tknow about yourself that you need to attend
[Matt LeBris]: to but i’ll tell you this themore you uncover that the more you uncover
[Matt LeBris]: yourself [Nick McGowan]: yep [Matt LeBris]: and that is one of the mostbeautiful parts of that process that i do
[Matt LeBris]: not regret because i am so woketo myself
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: i’m so aware of [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: who i am and you want toknow what there’s going to be a new
[Matt LeBris]: mat that i’m goin a meet ina year and a new mat i meet
[Matt LeBris]: after [Nick McGowan]: yep [Matt LeBris]: that like it’s going to keep beingthat new person that new person that new
[Matt LeBris]: person should want to meet that person [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: and seeking [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: out that help is you know oneway to do it
[Nick McGowan]: that’s a good point man know ioften say that people think about future you
[Nick McGowan]: how future you’re going to feel aboutthis and there are times where
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: either that client or somebody that you [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: know i’m friends with they’re like wellfuture me might and hate me like do
[Nick McGowan]: you want future you like no allright i get
[Matt LeBris]: right [Nick McGowan]: the point and move along but toeven think about yourself in that sense like
[Nick McGowan]: you’re doing this to future you and [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: future other people that are involved inthe situation that you don’t even know about
[Nick McGowan]: right now [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: so how are you doing this andare you okay with that
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: and if you can stomach that andgo yeah yeah i’m okay with this in
[Nick McGowan]: future you look back you do thatso many times that you realize i don’t
[Nick McGowan]: like this feeling any more i wantto stop that and be able to get
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: out of that now i know youyou said that you’ve been through a lot
[Nick McGowan]: of ship and that’s part of whatthe show was about being able to get
[Nick McGowan]: into that ship becase there are peoplethat kind of hide things behind them that
[Nick McGowan]: you just don’t know about like youthink about if you walk down the street
[Nick McGowan]: anybody you see you have no ideawhat kind of crazy fucking story they have
[Nick McGowan]: or what’s really behind their eyes beingable to get into some of those moments
[Nick McGowan]: is really what i like to getinto on this on this show so if
[Nick McGowan]: there are any pivotal moments or littleepisodes within life that you can look back
[Nick McGowan]: at and go damn that was oneof those moments that everything changed or it’s
[Nick McGowan]: changed me drastically [Matt LeBris]: so many of them and it’s hardto just call out one i mean wow
[Matt LeBris]: i guess one of the now oneof the ones
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: i speak about or one of theones you hear me one of the experiences
[Matt LeBris]: i speak about often i remember vividlysitting in my buddy’s restaurant at the time
[Matt LeBris]: and i don’t even know what partof brooklyn i was in but he was
[Matt LeBris]: the head chef there managing partner reallyincredible opportunity for him and we were sitting
[Matt LeBris]: in there truthfully smoking weed after everythingclosed up you know we were just sitting
[Matt LeBris]: there watching you [Nick McGowan]: like [Matt LeBris]: tubeost
[Matt LeBris]: video [Nick McGowan]: restaurant [Matt LeBris]: smoking [Nick McGowan]: workers [Matt LeBris]: weed there you go um [Nick McGowan]: uh [Matt LeBris]: and yeah we were just being icame to go visit him and i pulled
[Matt LeBris]: out my laptop [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: and i was showing him someone thati newly discovered now keep in mind this
[Matt LeBris]: is years ago i’m told king overeight years ago maybe closer yeah eight nine
[Matt LeBris]: years ago we’re sitting in this restaurantsmoking weed pull up a youtube video and
[Matt LeBris]: like hey dude i just discovered thisguy this guy was garry vanorchuck and he
[Matt LeBris]: said listen i’m not into the hustleporn ship you know i’m not going to
[Matt LeBris]: sit here like and say i’m somegarry stand i truthfully the only influencer i
[Matt LeBris]: follow is damon that’s because i havea connection to him i love garry great
[Matt LeBris]: guy he said three words that resonatedwith me forever changed my life because at
[Matt LeBris]: that point i had failed out ofcollege i was just like you know what
[Matt LeBris]: i’m going to hustle my way tothe top
[Matt LeBris]: not that i’m not saying college isyou know the right choice for everyone but
[Matt LeBris]: he said legacy over currency [Matt LeBris]: and i said fuck [Matt LeBris]: i just said funk i was [Matt LeBris]: like i’m doing the complete [Matt LeBris]: opposite [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: i was dude i can’t even tellyou nick i was hurting so many people
[Matt LeBris]: around me while i was hustling [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: spending no time with my father becausemy parents were divorced i would literally neglect
[Matt LeBris]: i didn’t see my grandparents his fatherand his mother before they passed away
[Matt LeBris]: this is the first time i’m actuallytalking about this out loud like i genuinely
[Matt LeBris]: regret that [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: um you know they they’re the reasoni’m here they came from france to america
[Matt LeBris]: to new york met here had myfather and his sister my aunt and without
[Matt LeBris]: them i wouldn’t be here and ididn’t even see them before they passed away
[Nick McGowan]: an [Matt LeBris]: that’s how hard i was hustling ispent no time with my dad no time
[Matt LeBris]: with my dad that changed eventually ispent time with my dad i talked to
[Matt LeBris]: him a lot more frequently now i’mreally grateful for parents of divorce i didn’t
[Matt LeBris]: live with him for yearsm
[Matt LeBris]: i put money before everyone i putmoney i put money before myself know and
[Matt LeBris]: i just said to myself is thisthe legacy that i want to leave behind
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: is this really what i want whati want to be remembered for a dollar
[Matt LeBris]: sign [Matt LeBris]: in my bank account when i passaway like it just didn’t add up and
[Matt LeBris]: i’m not undervaluing money when i saythat because it is damn near important i
[Matt LeBris]: mean it’s at the top of [Nick McGowan]: up [Matt LeBris]: the [Nick McGowan]: there [Matt LeBris]: list [Nick McGowan]: with [Matt LeBris]: you [Nick McGowan]: the [Matt LeBris]: need [Nick McGowan]: oxygen [Matt LeBris]: it to survive [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: yeah you need it to survive rightthat’s that’s what it is especially if you
[Matt LeBris]: live in a place like new yorkcity or anywhere anywhere not even where you
[Matt LeBris]: live right just anywhere period um dudethat was probably the moment i said you
[Matt LeBris]: know what you learned how to hustle [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: go get your hustle on in amore respectful way in a more mature
[Nick McGowan]: h [Matt LeBris]: way [Matt LeBris]: do it like a gentleman stop youknow doing this little kid ship hustle hustle
[Matt LeBris]: hustle smoke hustle hustle hustle et [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: cetera i love the hustle do itmore mindfully is the
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: best way i should say it hustlemindfully
[Nick McGowan]: that’s a great point man i amanti hustle at this point because
[Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: i went through the same ship wherei was literally just pushing and pushing and
[Nick McGowan]: pushing because i grew up in asituation
[Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: like rich poor dad sort of dealmy dad and his wife
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: had a bunch of money my momreally didn’t have much so i saw the
[Nick McGowan]: dichotomy between those two and was likei don’t want to live in a shack
[Nick McGowan]: basically so how do i make [Matt LeBris]: yeahoney than all of these people can
bind and go fucking crazy and you start
[Nick McGowan]: burning relationship you to start burning yourselfout and i think certain people have to
[Nick McGowan]: go through that to then realize waitthat’s not right that’s not how this should
[Nick McGowan]: be and you go through this justburning and burning you start to burn yourself
[Nick McGowan]: out where at that point you’re justkind of a hollow shell
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: it’s difficult to pull yourself back frombut if you can pull yourself back from
[Nick McGowan]: that and be able to figure outhow to hustle differently that’s more about work
[Nick McGowan]: ethic at that point i think youand i are probably similar in a sense
[Nick McGowan]: where we don’t we don’t get afraidof work like we enjoy the work especially
[Nick McGowan]: the ship that we like right ithink about it you can do stuff and
[Nick McGowan]: expend hours and hours and hours andlook up like holy ship i should probably
[Nick McGowan]: go eat something it’s been twelve [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: hours or what have you but that’sdifferent than actually hustling and i want to
[Nick McGowan]: i want to point this out becausei know there are people parents i don’t
[Nick McGowan]: have any kids but [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: there are parents that have said tofriends and even family members i’m doing this
[Nick McGowan]: for you and i think that’s oneof the biggest loads of ship that anybody
[Nick McGowan]: can heap on to their children [Matt LeBris]: ah [Nick McGowan]: where they’re hustling [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: to be able to do it fortheir kids and that’s bullshit and i think
[Nick McGowan]: we need to change that and changethe way that we look at that again
[Nick McGowan]: i don’t have kids but i knowat some point when i’m going to do
[Nick McGowan]: everything i can to be able toshow them how to live but also not
[Nick McGowan]: show them how to go out anddrive yourself fucking crazy and work yourself to
[Nick McGowan]: the bone for just dollars i meanyou get to a certain what the fun
[Nick McGowan]: were you on a buy another shirt [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: does it [Matt LeBris]: wellatter
[Matt LeBris]: here’s the thing nick a hundred percent i can
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: tell you this i used it asa coping mechanism
[Nick McGowan]: oh yeah [Matt LeBris]: right i used it as a copingmechanism because as i was avoiding important relationship
[Matt LeBris]: such as family [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: i [Matt LeBris]: came to real and still to thisday this is true right i have a
[Matt LeBris]: very very tough relationship with my motherto say the
[Matt LeBris]: least [Matt LeBris]: i was using it as an escape [Nick McGowan]: it’s [Matt LeBris]: at [Nick McGowan]: easier [Matt LeBris]: one [Nick McGowan]: to [Matt LeBris]: point [Nick McGowan]: do the [Matt LeBris]: in [Nick McGowan]: work [Matt LeBris]: my life it’s easier to do thework
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: there was one point in [Nick McGowan]: okay [Matt LeBris]: my life when i failed out ofcollege i was making well over six figures
[Matt LeBris]: in college sometimes i look back wheni graduated college i’m like fun why did
[Matt LeBris]: i go [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: to college i was making more beforei went
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: you know i’m like what the hellis going on but i’ll tell you this
[Matt LeBris]: would literally on fridays specifically i’ll neverforget this friday or saturday i forget which
[Matt LeBris]: one it was i would go torestaurant depot for a buddy who owns a
[Matt LeBris]: restaurant in my neighborhood and i wouldgo pick up his supply for the day
[Matt LeBris]: i would drop them off i wouldgo to the gym and work out because
[Matt LeBris]: at that time i worked at thegym and i said to myself if i
[Matt LeBris]: can get a job at the gymi don’t need to pay for a membership
[Matt LeBris]: let me work at the gym soi would do that from twelve to five
[Matt LeBris]: after five o’clock i would speed overto an italian restaurant in my neighborhood and
[Matt LeBris]: i would deliver pizza from five tonine or five to ten at ten p
[Matt LeBris]: m i would go home shower getready and go to the club because i
[Matt LeBris]: was in new york city night lifeand i would stay there till four or
[Matt LeBris]: five a m and then i wouldwake
[Matt LeBris]: up and repeat i was so farremoved from family staying out of my house
[Matt LeBris]: because i didn’t want to around them [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: you know like no one understood mei was the black sheep the people that
[Matt LeBris]: understood me most were the people iwas surrounding myself with which are my friends
[Matt LeBris]: my closest friends five ix people thatgenuinely understand me that’s my family and it’s
[Matt LeBris]: not to say my mom my sistermy dad they’re not my family i have
[Matt LeBris]: a better relationship with people now thani
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: previously did but i was using itas a coping mechanism with that a doubt
[Nick McGowan]: good point man good point the kingself awareness of that i’m sure that it’s
[Nick McGowan]: not something that happened right in thatmoment where you were like him using this
[Nick McGowan]: as a coping mechanism rock and rollkeep going years later
[Matt LeBris]: okay [Nick McGowan]: did that come up through therapy orwas that something that you came to your
[Nick McGowan]: own awareness through [Matt LeBris]: i think a little bit of bothto be honest i realized through therapy that
[Matt LeBris]: it was okay to refer to myfriends as family
[Matt LeBris]: and view my relationships with them ona high er level than i do with
[Matt LeBris]: the people that actually are blood relatedto me
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: that was one thing i learned intherapy because i thought that that was wrong
[Matt LeBris]: i was like [Matt LeBris]: wait like my actual like i wouldget jealous times during the holiday season like
[Matt LeBris]: truthfully this past holiday season i hatedit i
[Matt LeBris]: hated it [Nick McGowan]: why is that [Matt LeBris]: i didn’t great question why is thati felt stressed i felt stressed i don’t
[Matt LeBris]: know if it’s because i come froman italian background and you know my my
[Matt LeBris]: father side is french m but ifeel like during the holiday season the way
[Matt LeBris]: i grew it was a time toperform
[Matt LeBris]: so for instance if my mother washosting let’s call it christmas or you know
[Matt LeBris]: if she was um you know wewere going somewhere else for christmas eve it
[Matt LeBris]: was about performance what and you bringyou know you need to be on your
[Matt LeBris]: a game [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: dude it was just always a stressfultime like i can care less for it
[Matt LeBris]: and it sucks to say that youknow yeah i mean i definitely learned that
[Matt LeBris]: it’s okay to value you know mymy friends as my family and that was
[Matt LeBris]: something that i kind of thought wasfrowned upon but then when i realized it
[Matt LeBris]: was okay i was like yu knowwhat good you know
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: i’m good but that’s [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: the truth for me [Nick McGowan]: that’s a good point man and that’snot it’s not a bad thing it’s just
[Nick McGowan]: what you were used to so isdifferent so for you to look at it
[Nick McGowan]: and go oh [Matt LeBris]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: oh it is okay it’s totally allright i think there’s a lot to be
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: said about that where a lot ofpeople will kind of put on their face
[Nick McGowan]: because they have family coming over theyhave all these things and it’s almost like
[Nick McGowan]: how some people will say you’re takingchrist out of christmas sort of deal like
[Nick McGowan]: what’s purpose to all of this not [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: just the holiday itself but what’s theactual purpose and the way i look at
[Nick McGowan]: that sort of stuff is it’s timeto be with the people that you want
[Nick McGowan]: to be with and if you don’twant to be with that family member that
[Nick McGowan]: should be your choice to go iwant to be with people i want to
[Nick McGowan]: be with and you just don’t happento be those people that’s all
[Matt LeBris]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: right [Matt LeBris]: exactly and i’ll tell you this ifelt really comfortable hearing other friends say the
[Matt LeBris]: same thing i viewed my friends asfamily more than family as family and i
[Matt LeBris]: was like damn like there are otherpeople in the world that are like me
[Matt LeBris]: too [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: that feel that way really brought mea sense of comfort i didn’t feel as
[Matt LeBris]: black sheep as i probably did beforehandbut you know nothing wrong with being the
[Matt LeBris]: black sheep the you know there’s thata famous little quote that goes around on
[Matt LeBris]: the internet the black sheep usually turnsinto the goat
hm
[Matt LeBris]: but yeah yeah that’s it man [Nick McGowan]: yeah i have a similar kind ofexperience with family my mom was one of
[Nick McGowan]: seven she was the baby of oneof seven so i think my oldest aunt
[Nick McGowan]: is like four years der than mygrandparents on my dad side so the length
[Nick McGowan]: of time between my mom and all [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: of those other siblings and all thekids that they had
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: and all that so there were timeswhere i was a black sheep because my
om was a biker chick basically like
who the fuck and her blue haired kid
[Nick McGowan]: with all these piercings and ship obviouslydon’t
[Matt LeBris]: uh [Nick McGowan]: have blue hair anymore but [Matt LeBris]: h oh [Nick McGowan]: back then it was black sheep and [Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i think that’s actually become a bitof a super power because that allows you
[Nick McGowan]: to separ from you from the peoplethat you need to be around when you’re
[Nick McGowan]: younger because you’re just told grab yourship we’re going to so and so’s house
[Nick McGowan]: and then as you kind of step [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: out of that allows you to lookat other people and look at friends as
[Nick McGowan]: being part of that family and understandingthat it just doesn’t have to be about
[Nick McGowan]: blood i’ve also experienced that some ofthose blood relatives have actually become better friends
[Nick McGowan]: than actually family members and that goodbecause i keep them
[Matt LeBris]: hm [Nick McGowan]: at that level there are certain peoplethat honestly i don’t ever expect to hear
[Nick McGowan]: from again if i do beautiful ifi don’t beautiful but i think
[Matt LeBris]: right [Nick McGowan]: we get [Matt LeBris]: right [Nick McGowan]: to choose that and now [Matt LeBris]: right [Nick McGowan]: there’s certain and i think within thenortheast kind of area a lot of that
[Nick McGowan]: is very like family click y almostwas it like that in your area where
[Nick McGowan]: like all families that were close togetherthey all kind of lived and played together
[Nick McGowan]: and all that sort of ship [Matt LeBris]: yeah you know like i said idefinitely got jealous at times where i would
[Matt LeBris]: see friends that i view as familyhave great relationships with their family
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: from an area and [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: it’s not to say all my friendsare from this area but i come from
[Matt LeBris]: an area where this is a veryfamily oriented area like
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: super super family oriented area and youknow although obviously divorce rate is high no
[Matt LeBris]: matter where you go a lot ofmy friends also didn’t deal with divorce you
[Matt LeBris]: know their parents are still together thatwas another factor that came into play there’s
[Matt LeBris]: just so many factors so many family [Nick McGowan]: sure [Matt LeBris]: dynamics and it was just yeah it’sit’s crazy you know it’s so crazy at
[Matt LeBris]: times looking back and thinking about itbut yeah man it’s it’s it’s something that
[Matt LeBris]: needs to be navigated you know andfor
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: me personally what i like to donow is just tell myself you’re going to
[Matt LeBris]: be the ideal parent that you wantedyou know that you wanted
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: right or you know you’re going tobe the ideal father or you’re going to
[Matt LeBris]: be the deal whatever and that’s justthe way i operate
[Nick McGowan]: you get to set your legacy goesback to what you said
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: earlier which is huge [Matt LeBris]: there you go [Nick McGowan]: now and i know you and iboth do a lot of work on ourselves
[Nick McGowan]: and our days may look a littledifferent even as you know talk about journaling
[Nick McGowan]: or anything like that we can kindof drive on to those different things but
[Nick McGowan]: what are some of the things thatyou do when it comes to the deep
[Nick McGowan]: work that you found to really beable to not only
[Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: help you throughout the course of butkeep your ship together during the day
[Matt LeBris]: number one would be and we talkedabout this number one is still
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: therapy i still do that [Nick McGowan]: you got to talk [Matt LeBris]: i’ve [Nick McGowan]: about [Matt LeBris]: had [Nick McGowan]: it [Matt LeBris]: to break up with my former therapistbut that’s at the top of the list
[Matt LeBris]: man i look forwar to that callevery week every
[Matt LeBris]: week i look forward to that calli used to look forward to it more
[Matt LeBris]: because things are a little bit differentnow but at first like dude going through
[Matt LeBris]: that discovery process and really unravelling thingswas really import for me
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: um i can’t say like i’m someproductivity gooroo
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: or anything dude i’m honestly very freeflow like super
[Nick McGowan]: cool [Matt LeBris]: super free flow like there’s as atone p m if i’m able to i
[Matt LeBris]: might turn on my play station youknow like um for that’s just the way
[Matt LeBris]: i operate man i’ve realized having timefreedom after i started my own business i
[Matt LeBris]: realized that for me it really camedown to day by day as i mentioned
[Matt LeBris]: earlier [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: you know taking things day by dayis yeah do i have to do list
[Matt LeBris]: right next to me absolutely [Nick McGowan]: sure [Matt LeBris]: and i’m still a pen and padtype of guy
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: you know don’t get wrong i usea sonnet to like i know i have
[Matt LeBris]: ship to get done but at theend of the day man i’m very free
[Matt LeBris]: flow and i think as a creativeu’reapodcast that our creative so you could resonate
[Matt LeBris]: with this as well just in generalman like it really comes down to what
[Matt LeBris]: i’m feeling if i’m [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: not feeling like work i’m not goingto produce that
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: best work um you know like itreally comes even when it comes down to
[Matt LeBris]: ding i [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: haven’t read and i can’t tell youhow many weeks
[Matt LeBris]: you know like a [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: really it just i guess the bestanswer in short nick is really understanding where
[Matt LeBris]: i am how i’m feeling and [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: what i’m able to do in thatmoment without
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: forcing myself i don’t think it’s adiscipline conversation i think it’s a reality conversation
[Matt LeBris]: more [Matt LeBris]: than anything [Nick McGowan]: oh man i want hundred percent agreethere at different times where i
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: argue in a nice way with peoplewhen it talks about everybody is like well
[Nick McGowan]: what’s your five year [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: plan what’s your ten year plan whatdo you do throughout the day and certain
[Nick McGowan]: people just be kind of crazy withit where i’ve gotten into doing some time
[Nick McGowan]: blocking in a sense of like [Matt LeBris]: okay [Nick McGowan]: these are the things that i wantto do throughout the day but then i
[Nick McGowan]: also allow myself to flow around itgo i don’t really want to suck and
[Nick McGowan]: do that right now because i feelthis thing is more important i’m going to
[Nick McGowan]: go do that and sometimes like yousaid turn it on the play station i’ve
[Nick McGowan]: put my nerve cap back on i’vegotten back into sports ards so there are
[Nick McGowan]: times where i’ll get a new delivery [Matt LeBris]: de [Nick McGowan]: you’ve got to pull [Matt LeBris]: dude [Nick McGowan]: out some cards nice [Matt LeBris]: i’m big in it i’m [Nick McGowan]: good [Matt LeBris]: big [Nick McGowan]: ship man [Matt LeBris]: on it bro i’m big on itman
[Nick McGowan]: so i’ll get some you know newblack to mega box delivered and as soon
[Nick McGowan]: as amazon rings that bell and i’mlike i got to do this thing i’ll
[Nick McGowan]: sometimes look at it as like i’llplay a game with myself and i was
[Nick McGowan]: talking to a buddy about this yesterdaywhere he’s like i’m having a hard time
[Nick McGowan]: i need to throw and do thisthing but it’s just a big hairy scary
onster with the fun you know and
i’m like well if you have a thing
[Nick McGowan]: that you want to get to likewith him it was playing drums nd he’s
[Nick McGowan]: like i haven’t played drums in acouple of weeks like man you got to
[Nick McGowan]: set that up as a reward youget yourself to the point go and i’m
[Nick McGowan]: going to do this thing to gomake that reward and sort of play a
[Nick McGowan]: game with it but allow yourself somegrace where if you’re like look i’m just
[Nick McGowan]: not feeling it right now ask yourselfwhy and at least understand
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: what it is if you’re like youknow well realistically i need to just step
[Nick McGowan]: away for a couple of minutes thengo fuck and step away for a couple
[Nick McGowan]: of minutes i think some people justget into this habit where they’re like i
[Nick McGowan]: have to do this thing at nineo’clock and then at nine fifteen have to
[Nick McGowan]: do this and nine twenty three igot to do this and if it doesn’t
[Nick McGowan]: happen you’re just setting yourself up forfailure like there are times where i’ve got
y list
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: i got the ship that needs toget done for the day those are the
[Nick McGowan]: big chunks of things where i’m likethis needs to done but you know at
[Nick McGowan]: the end of the day we’re notfucking saving lives your delivering babies so who
[Nick McGowan]: could it be okay [Matt LeBris]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: like step [Matt LeBris]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: away for a minute if you needto so man i appreciate you saying tha
[Nick McGowan]: you’re not some productivity guru and feedme some bullshit uh because i really don’t
[Nick McGowan]: think that people are like that unlessthat is exactly how they are and how
[Nick McGowan]: i believe that how you do anythingis how you do everything and if you’re
[Nick McGowan]: flow with things you should use thatand you brought it up like being creative
an it’s hard to really get a
creative to lock into a time schedule of
[Nick McGowan]: something because they’re like but i canthink of all these different things and go
[Nick McGowan]: through all that so how do youkind of play that game with yourself to
[Nick McGowan]: be able to knock the ship outand then allow yourself those rewards or do
[Nick McGowan]: you not do that [Matt LeBris]: yeah i think you knowah
[Matt LeBris]: especially when it comes down to beingcreative i’ll give you an example you know
[Matt LeBris]: when i have to record an introor an outro for my podcast do there
[Matt LeBris]: have been times that’s taken me anhour to do that for one episode
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: shouldn’t be taking an hour you know [Nick McGowan]: h [Matt LeBris]: the intros three minutes [Matt LeBris]: the outros two minutes should not takean hour
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: and i realized i say to myselfyou know what
[Matt LeBris]: it’s because you’re just not in thatzone
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: and that’s when i really started tobecome aware of it and i would get
[Matt LeBris]: frustrated if i didn’t nail it mani would get frustrated so i said to
[Matt LeBris]: myself all right well what can youdo you
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: can’t force yourself to get into yourcreative genius i don’t think that’s possible i
[Matt LeBris]: think it happens when it happens [Matt LeBris]: um you know there are some things [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: that you might be able to dofor instance i just bought a standing desk
[Matt LeBris]: so like where i’m sitting now likei could raise it up or i
[Matt LeBris]: think those things can potentially there yougo
[Nick McGowan]: h [Matt LeBris]: i think those things can [Matt LeBris]: help potentially [Matt LeBris]: without a doubt i don’t know ifthere’s any research or science behind that whatsoever
[Matt LeBris]: but for me personally i definitely see [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: my productivity spike with that um butwhat i do to ensure that i’m able
[Matt LeBris]: to have enough time is plan aheadyou know
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: not live in the future but youknow especially when it comes down to the
[Matt LeBris]: creative stuff like if i know ineed to record
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: an intro or an outdo for anepisode i’m not putting my back up against
[Matt LeBris]: the wall to become creative and likeshoot out some fire as intro you know
[Matt LeBris]: like because [Matt LeBris]: what happens [Matt LeBris]: if that doesn’t happen [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: you know so [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: i’m just ahead of the game withthat type of stuff so maybe i am
[Matt LeBris]: a bit of a plan or twoin then but that’s really you
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: know no science behind it just [Nick McGowan]: sure [Matt LeBris]: being on top of it bottom linebeing on top of it
[Nick McGowan]: that’s kind of being smart about itsomebody said a while ago and i don’t
[Nick McGowan]: know who to attribute this to soi’ll just take it and use it but
[Nick McGowan]: being pro actively lazy once i heardthat i was like holy
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: shit i am totally pro actively lazybecause i think a future
[Matt LeBris]: uh [Nick McGowan]: nick like future [Matt LeBris]: uh [Nick McGowan]: nick [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: is going to be real fucking pissedat me about this so how do i
[Nick McGowan]: be pro actively lazy do some ofthe little work now and get myself set
[Nick McGowan]: up where later on you can justpick up the ball maybe it’s at seventy
[Nick McGowan]: percent finished instead of starting [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: from zero and just being able tokind of move along from that but even
[Nick McGowan]: within that i still think that youcan have that flexibility throughout your day and
[Nick McGowan]: i truly believe that’s freedom that’s wheresuccess comes into play my days look the
[Nick McGowan]: way that i want them to lookand there are certain times where ship pops
[Nick McGowan]: up just like your days you knowyou get pulled into a meeting one of
[Nick McGowan]: your team members need something somebody pullsyou in this way in that way but
[Nick McGowan]: you can work through that stuff andstill understand straight up we’re not delivering babies
[Nick McGowan]: we’re not saving lives here and allowingyourself that grace so you seem like the
[Nick McGowan]: type that you also probably your ownbiggest critic and you probably over the course
[Nick McGowan]: of time have [Matt LeBris]: a hundred [Nick McGowan]: kicked [Matt LeBris]: percent [Nick McGowan]: your own ass so many times sohow do you find and give yourself grace
[Nick McGowan]: because there are people listen to toshow that are similar where they’re like funk
an i told myself going to do
this and i didn’t so how do you
[Nick McGowan]: calm that little kid down and goshut
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: the fuck up it’ll be all right [Matt LeBris]: yeah i don’t i [Nick McGowan]: oh [Matt LeBris]: can’t lie to you nick i don’t [Nick McGowan]: good [Matt LeBris]: i’m [Matt LeBris]: still my biggest [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: critic man i’m still my biggest criticsometimes what it really takes for me to
[Matt LeBris]: realize that is when i’m consulting ita mentor or when i’m consulting with
[Matt LeBris]: a friend and i’m elaborating on astory and they’re like dude like things sounded
[Matt LeBris]: like they went great while your beingso hard on yourself sometimes
[Matt LeBris]: it takes that for me to evenrecognize that i’m doing that
[Matt LeBris]: um ultimately i can tell you froma psychological perspective what that really stems from
[Matt LeBris]: is me feeling like i needed toperform but not only perform but achieve to
[Matt LeBris]: ceive attention from my mother so ifi’m not achieving per se then i’m kind
[Matt LeBris]: of not feeling like i’m you knowgetting that attention
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: and same thing that just stuck withme and i think i think it’s a
[Matt LeBris]: good thing to an extent like it’shealthy to an extent
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Matt LeBris]: it could become very [Nick McGowan]: n b [Matt LeBris]: unhealthy if you let it [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: yeah it could be healthy i actuallysaw a video the other day it was
[Matt LeBris]: like research back the top three thingsthat the wealthiest people in the world have
[Matt LeBris]: from a psychological perspective number [Matt LeBris]: one was exactly what we’re talking abouta crazy inner critic like inner critic that
[Matt LeBris]: just won’t shut up not perfectionism butjust like you know an inner critic that’s
[Matt LeBris]: hounding you [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: the second thing was having the umhaving the belief that you’ll be able to
[Matt LeBris]: achieve what you need to achieve regardlessof that inner critic and regardless of whatever
[Matt LeBris]: i forget what [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: the third thing is but when isaid i actually didn’t i don’t think have
[Matt LeBris]: the third thing which is probably whyi forgot
[Nick McGowan]: that’s why [Matt LeBris]: what [Nick McGowan]: you omitted [Matt LeBris]: it is [Nick McGowan]: it [Matt LeBris]: but [Matt LeBris]: that’s it we only need those two [Nick McGowan]: that’s good [Matt LeBris]: but yeah man i’ve really know forme personally dude i really come down to
[Matt LeBris]: really talking with people about it tokind of make myself aware
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: because i’m still working on that manit’s
[Nick McGowan]: yah [Matt LeBris]: it’s still a work in progress [Nick McGowan]: h [Matt LeBris]: without a doubt [Nick McGowan]: yeah that’s a beautiful thing that imean again it goes back to talking about
[Nick McGowan]: it and to the listeners just talkabout it talk to somebody that you’re close
[Nick McGowan]: to talk to somebody you’re not closeto just start talking about it it can
[Nick McGowan]: also be super helpful and i’m sureyou experience is talking with yourself about certain
[Nick McGowan]: things out [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: loud because as you say things outloud hear them and interpret them different it’s
[Nick McGowan]: just like when you talk to somebodyand you start to explain something then you
[Nick McGowan]: go what the fuck am i talkingabout it doesn’t
[Matt LeBris]: uh [Nick McGowan]: really make any sense or you gooh my god yeah that makes
[Matt LeBris]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: even more sense now because it cameout and went back into your ears so
[Nick McGowan]: talking to somebody or talking to yourselfbut getting it out and being able to
[Nick McGowan]: talk through that i think of herewas a book that i read years and
[Nick McGowan]: years ago i don’t know you probablycan’t say it it’s behind the mind set
[Nick McGowan]: book that’s back here it’s called theq b q the question behind the question
[Matt LeBris]: okay [Nick McGowan]: so if you think of asking questionsbehind the question that you had why do
[Nick McGowan]: i feel this way right now wellbecause of this well why because of that
[Nick McGowan]: almost like a little kid you knowlike one of those annoying little kids are
[Nick McGowan]: like but why but why but whywhy but why
[Matt LeBris]: uh [Nick McGowan]: you’re like because [Matt LeBris]: h [Nick McGowan]: if you don’t stop fucking [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: asking me i’m going to kill youbut
[Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: do that to yourself like why ami doing this right now like even you
[Nick McGowan]: think you and i as we gothrough and kind of flow through the day
[Nick McGowan]: why am i not feeling this rightnow because you’re probably feeling something else a
[Nick McGowan]: little bit more and is it apart of that thing or is it something
[Nick McGowan]: completely different and asking those questions andgoing through it you and i really love
[Nick McGowan]: the idea of therapy coaching i justtalking through this but really think about it
[Nick McGowan]: at the core of it it’s justsomebody that’s asking solid fucking questions
[Matt LeBris]: that’s it [Nick McGowan]: i’ve literally [Matt LeBris]: that’s [Nick McGowan]: told [Matt LeBris]: ity therapist i’m here because your job
has asked me questions and i’m stuck in
[Nick McGowan]: these four walls so i can’t justrun fucking past you so we can talk
[Nick McGowan]: about this and actually go through allof these things because sometimes you really need
[Nick McGowan]: to unpack the stuff that it’s superdifficult for you to be able to get
[Nick McGowan]: through so matt and i appreciate youbeing on i appreciate you being fucking honest
[Nick McGowan]: and vulnerable right from the start sohey man can you give us some sort
[Nick McGowan]: of advice people that [Matt LeBris]: oh [Nick McGowan]: are on their path towards self masterywhat sort of advice would you give them
[Matt LeBris]: something that i’m still trying to applyevery day something that i learned from an
[Matt LeBris]: individual named john gordon i’m not sureif you’re familiar with him i really really
[Matt LeBris]: great guy author many many times overumpodcasthos speaker all around the world great great
[Matt LeBris]: guy john gordon he changed my lifewith three letters those three letters are e
[Matt LeBris]: p and o in fact it’s anequation e plus p equals o and what
[Matt LeBris]: that stands for is the events plusthe perspective equals the outcome
[Matt LeBris]: so we’re all going to have ourturbo so we’re all going to go through
[Matt LeBris]: our storms um the thing is aboutthat equation the only thing that we can
[Matt LeBris]: actually control is how we perceive things [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: we can’t control every event that takesplace in our
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: life is this something still trying toknow really work onto this them getting the
[Matt LeBris]: chills saying that the hair on myarm is standing
[Matt LeBris]: up it’s not easy we can’t controlevery event i can’t put a number or
[Matt LeBris]: statistics to how many events we cancontrol it’s such a crazy variable to say
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: the least and it’s not easy tocontrol our ception when ship’s hitting the fan
[Matt LeBris]: it’s not [Matt LeBris]: it’s a lot easier three months oneyear five years ten years down the road
[Matt LeBris]: and you could look back [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Matt LeBris]: and you could be like you knowwhat at needed to happen that was working
[Matt LeBris]: for me the universe was [Nick McGowan]: hm [Matt LeBris]: on my side there i want toleave people with that because that’s what i’m
[Matt LeBris]: actually in the thick of right nowi’m in the thick of that understanding that
[Matt LeBris]: i can’t control every event that takesplace the only thing i can control is
[Matt LeBris]: the perspective i to the table and [Nick McGowan]: h [Matt LeBris]: that perspective [Matt LeBris]: at times nick i’ll tell you thisyear in particular it’s been a cluster funk
[Matt LeBris]: of a year man there have [Matt LeBris]: been you now really that’s why i’mtaking it day by day to m the
[Matt LeBris]: events warren always controllable how i’ll perceiveit will definitely change in the future but
[Matt LeBris]: i’ll tell you this i had daysthis year where i was just like what
[Matt LeBris]: the fuck is happening victim [Matt LeBris]: i’m a victim i’m a victim [Matt LeBris]: but bottom line e plus p equalsevents plus perspective equals the outcome
[Nick McGowan]: and again thank you for being vulnerableand honest about that i know it’s some
[Nick McGowan]: tough ship to go through [Matt LeBris]: my [Nick McGowan]: and to be able to [Matt LeBris]: ye [Nick McGowan]: be in the moment in those timesstacks up from all the other moments that
[Nick McGowan]: happened before that so you can onlybe as good as you are in that
oment based on the ship that you’ve
done and if you perpetually looked at that
[Nick McGowan]: ship it’s terrible then you’re probably gonnabe terrible in that spot so it sounds
[Nick McGowan]: like you’re in [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: that spot when you get into thosetough spots it’s better than it would have
[Nick McGowan]: been six months ago or a yearago even at things are really different but
[Nick McGowan]: hey mat future matt is going toreally appreciate that you know
[Matt LeBris]: absolutely man absolutely brother and nick ijust want to share this
[Matt LeBris]: with you you are absolutely fantastic atwhat you do i’ve been on many many
[Matt LeBris]: podcasts before this was absolutely incredible igenuinely just want to share gra titude for
[Matt LeBris]: the way that you are able tohelp your audience by asking the questions that
[Matt LeBris]: you asked so i wanted to makesure that i was sharing that with you
[Matt LeBris]: before we stopped this recording i thinkthat’s really important to say
[Nick McGowan]: and i appreciate that look i reallythink that the major crust this this whole
[Nick McGowan]: show is not about any one specificbut that one specific person that’s listening at
[Nick McGowan]: that time that needs this stuff umand it’s about
[Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: talking about this ship [Matt LeBris]: m [Nick McGowan]: so i appreciate you man appreciate thekind words and hey where can people find
[Nick McGowan]: you and where can they connect withyou
[Matt LeBris]: absolutely i mean i’m across the boardon social i probably hang out most on
[Matt LeBris]: instagram my instagram handles just my firstname m a t t underscore l e
[Matt LeBris]: b r i s that’s where i’mhang at the most i host a podcast
[Matt LeBris]: just like nick does a podcast thati’ve ran for about four years now which
[Matt LeBris]: is crazy to even think [Nick McGowan]: wow [Matt LeBris]: top one percent van globally we’ve hostedsome incredible people like grant or done patrick
[Matt LeBris]: david mill robins gabby burnsteangenna coucher thelist goes on really really fun have a
[Matt LeBris]: great time doing it but those arereally the places i’m hanging out the most
[Matt LeBris]: to be honest [Nick McGowan]: awesome and all that stuff is goingto be in the show notes again thank
[Nick McGowan]: you so much for being on theshow today i appreciate your time
[Matt LeBris]: thank you for the opportunity brother iappreciate it i thank you for the questions
[Matt LeBris]: as well [Nick McGowan]: pleasure