The Founder’s Journey; Gracefully Ending One Chapter And Leading With Hope Into The Next – Ep66 – Steven Blohm

Episode summary:​ Steven Blohm worked hard and passionately on building his own business in 2020. Running into challenge after challenge, placing strain on his marriage, and working his life away, the business wasn’t coming together and it wasn’t moving forward.

It was really hard for Steven to make the decision to shut the business down, especially when he had been investing so much of his time and passion into it. Like anything else in life, when one door closes, another door opens.

Guest Name & Bio: Steven is a husband and father of 2. He’s the founder of Moali and is the Office Operations & Business Development Leader at Cyncly.

Steven learned a lot, both applicable to business, life, and about himself along his journey of starting up his own business that failed. With failure comes great success though.

EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION

[Nick McGowan]: Hey Steven welcome to the

show man how you doing

[Steven Blohm]: good thanks for having me

[Nick McGowan]: yeah absolutely i’m excited that you’re here it’s

funny because when i first started the show

[Nick McGowan]: i had a lot of close friends

you know like warm contact that were on

[Nick McGowan]: the show

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: and now

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: over there course of got the past

eight nine months or so

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve had a lot of people that

were unknown so i get to have these

[Nick McGowan]: initial conversations with them

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: basically right here alive on the spot

going through this and you’re kind of of

[Nick McGowan]: my first friends that i’ve actually had

on in a little while so

[Steven Blohm]: nice

[Nick McGowan]: it’s sort of familiar because you’re a

buddy and we get to talk ship you

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and then it’s also us being able

to actually talk about some of the ship

[Nick McGowan]: that we ak about in some of

our off line conversations

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: and i’m really excited to be able

to get into this and dude i’m stoked

[Nick McGowan]: that you’re here so Steven whyn’t you

out

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: why don’t kick us off tell us

what you do for living and what’s one

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: thing that most p don’t know about

you that’s maybe out or bizarre

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: yeah yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: i appreciate your having

[Nick McGowan]: i appreciate

[Steven Blohm]: me so

[Nick McGowan]: your having me so

[Steven Blohm]: i am an

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: enterprise

[Nick McGowan]: am an enterprise

[Steven Blohm]: an account and business

[Nick McGowan]: an account

[Steven Blohm]: development

[Nick McGowan]: in business

[Steven Blohm]: manager

[Nick McGowan]: development

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: manager

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: for

[Steven Blohm]: software

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: company

[Nick McGowan]: software

[Steven Blohm]: in the

[Nick McGowan]: company in

[Steven Blohm]: office

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: furniture

[Nick McGowan]: office furniture

[Steven Blohm]: industry

[Nick McGowan]: industry

[Steven Blohm]: it’s kind of

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: blend

[Nick McGowan]: kind of

[Steven Blohm]: of my

[Nick McGowan]: blend of

[Steven Blohm]: passions

[Nick McGowan]: my passions

[Steven Blohm]: of office

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: furniture

[Nick McGowan]: office

[Steven Blohm]: and technology

[Nick McGowan]: furniture

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: and technology

[Steven Blohm]: it’s a

[Nick McGowan]: so it’s

[Steven Blohm]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: a beautiful thing

[Nick McGowan]: it’s a

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: beautiful

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: thing and i

[Steven Blohm]: absolutely love it

[Nick McGowan]: absolutely love it

[Steven Blohm]: so one thing that

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: i would

[Nick McGowan]: one thing

[Steven Blohm]: say

[Nick McGowan]: that i would

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: say

[Steven Blohm]: i talk

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: i talk

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: with people

[Steven Blohm]: that don’t know

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: don’t

[Steven Blohm]: and i’m

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: introducing

[Nick McGowan]: me and i’m

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: introducing myself

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: love to

[Nick McGowan]: love

[Steven Blohm]: paint

[Nick McGowan]: to paint

[Steven Blohm]: i love

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: all

[Nick McGowan]: love

[Steven Blohm]: things

[Nick McGowan]: all

[Steven Blohm]: art

[Nick McGowan]: things art

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: can sit in

[Nick McGowan]: can

[Steven Blohm]: a dark

[Nick McGowan]: sit

[Steven Blohm]: room

[Nick McGowan]: in a dark

[Steven Blohm]: and just

[Nick McGowan]: room and just

[Steven Blohm]: really just all things

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: are

[Nick McGowan]: just all things are

[Steven Blohm]: i mean i

[Nick McGowan]: i mean

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: i am

[Steven Blohm]: pretty passionate

[Nick McGowan]: pretty passionate

[Steven Blohm]: about

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: about

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: the creative

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: process

[Nick McGowan]: creative process

[Steven Blohm]: and what

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: you can do

[Nick McGowan]: what you can do

[Steven Blohm]: with your mind and

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: get something

[Nick McGowan]: your mind

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: canvas

[Nick McGowan]: get something on can

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah i know we both we grew

up kind of as art

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: kids and that’s an interesting perspective

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: to then bring into the business world

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: because that’s how we met was through

business

[Steven Blohm]: yep

[Nick McGowan]: and partnership with the company and all

that stuff uh and yeah it’s funny because

[Nick McGowan]: i think of the meetings that we

have like when we’re out at trade shows

[Nick McGowan]: or meeting with prospects or even clients

like it wouldn’t just normally come up like

[Nick McGowan]: oh by the way he’s a painter

like

[Steven Blohm]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: did you guys know that like it

wouldn’t just even randomly come up

[Steven Blohm]: h

[Nick McGowan]: at most of the meetings you know

[Steven Blohm]: yeah it doesn’t

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: doesn’t

[Steven Blohm]: that’s why sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: so that’s

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: why

[Steven Blohm]: have a

[Nick McGowan]: sometimes

[Steven Blohm]: hard time

[Nick McGowan]: i have a

[Steven Blohm]: kind

[Nick McGowan]: hard

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: time

[Steven Blohm]: articulating

[Nick McGowan]: kind of articulating

[Steven Blohm]: that just

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: just because

[Steven Blohm]: it always

[Nick McGowan]: it always

[Steven Blohm]: surprises

[Nick McGowan]: surprises

[Steven Blohm]: people so i’m

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: like what

[Nick McGowan]: so i’m

[Steven Blohm]: else

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: do i

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: need to

[Nick McGowan]: else

[Steven Blohm]: say

[Nick McGowan]: do i

[Steven Blohm]: while

[Nick McGowan]: need

[Steven Blohm]: they’re

[Nick McGowan]: to say

[Steven Blohm]: looking

[Nick McGowan]: while

[Steven Blohm]: at me

[Nick McGowan]: they’re

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: looking

[Steven Blohm]: this crazy

[Nick McGowan]: at me with this

[Steven Blohm]: face

[Nick McGowan]: crazy

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: face

[Steven Blohm]: kind of

[Nick McGowan]: all

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: this kind of like

[Steven Blohm]: what athletic

[Nick McGowan]: somewhat

[Steven Blohm]: dude

[Nick McGowan]: athletic

[Steven Blohm]: likes

[Nick McGowan]: dude

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: like to

[Steven Blohm]: paint you know

[Nick McGowan]: paint

[Steven Blohm]: it kind of

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: know it

[Steven Blohm]: goes

[Nick McGowan]: kind of just

[Steven Blohm]: against

[Nick McGowan]: goes against

[Steven Blohm]: what people

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: think

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: when they look

[Nick McGowan]: think

[Steven Blohm]: at me

[Nick McGowan]: when they

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: look at

[Steven Blohm]: what

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: do for

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: a profession

[Nick McGowan]: i do for

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: a profession but

[Steven Blohm]: i have always found

[Nick McGowan]: i have

[Steven Blohm]: ever

[Nick McGowan]: always

[Steven Blohm]: since

[Nick McGowan]: found

[Steven Blohm]: i started

[Nick McGowan]: ever since

[Steven Blohm]: painting

[Nick McGowan]: i started

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: painting when

[Steven Blohm]: really i

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: started

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: taking a serious

[Nick McGowan]: started

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: taking

[Steven Blohm]: high

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: school

[Nick McGowan]: serious in high school

[Steven Blohm]: it was an amazing

[Nick McGowan]: it was an amazing

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: way for me

[Nick McGowan]: way

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: for me

[Steven Blohm]: take

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: all

[Nick McGowan]: take

[Steven Blohm]: the craziness

[Nick McGowan]: all the crazes

[Steven Blohm]: that was going

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: life

[Nick McGowan]: on in life

[Steven Blohm]: anxiety

[Nick McGowan]: anxiety

[Steven Blohm]: you know

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: girl

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: friends breaking

[Nick McGowan]: girl friends

[Steven Blohm]: up with

[Nick McGowan]: breaking

[Steven Blohm]: me whatever

[Nick McGowan]: up with

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: case

[Nick McGowan]: whatever

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: the case is

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: and put that

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: put that to

[Steven Blohm]: to some good use

[Nick McGowan]: some

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: good use

[Steven Blohm]: make something

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: beautiful

[Nick McGowan]: made something

[Steven Blohm]: out

[Nick McGowan]: beautiful

[Steven Blohm]: of something

[Nick McGowan]: out of

[Steven Blohm]: that he

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Steven Blohm]: might have

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: been dark

[Nick McGowan]: might have been

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: dark

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: i love doing

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: it

[Nick McGowan]: love doing it were you

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: one of those kids in high school

that would steal off to the art room

[Nick McGowan]: as often as you could

[Steven Blohm]: uh so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: funny that you asked that i went

to

[Nick McGowan]: i went

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: high school that was

[Nick McGowan]: high

[Steven Blohm]: a college

[Nick McGowan]: school that

[Steven Blohm]: prep

[Nick McGowan]: was a college prep

[Steven Blohm]: and i was an art

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: major

[Nick McGowan]: was a

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: major

[Steven Blohm]: i never

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: had to

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: sneak

[Nick McGowan]: never had

[Steven Blohm]: off

[Nick McGowan]: to sneak

[Steven Blohm]: to the art

[Nick McGowan]: off

[Steven Blohm]: room

[Nick McGowan]: to the

[Steven Blohm]: i was in the room

[Nick McGowan]: lucky you

[Steven Blohm]: six hours a

[Nick McGowan]: six

[Steven Blohm]: day

[Nick McGowan]: hours man wow i i wanted

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: to be in the room six hours

to day but didn’t go to a college

[Nick McGowan]: prep

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: school

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i think i was in college classes

but

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: you know junior year they were like

we get you an art school

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: or music school but you won’t make

any money i was like well guess college

[Nick McGowan]: ain’t for me

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: fair enough

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: it was it was

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: pretty

[Nick McGowan]: was it was pretty

[Steven Blohm]: it was a great experience

[Nick McGowan]: it was a great

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: experience

[Steven Blohm]: it was

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: it was

[Nick McGowan]: it was

[Steven Blohm]: a public school

[Nick McGowan]: it was a public school

[Steven Blohm]: so it’s not like you

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: had

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: to pay

[Nick McGowan]: not like

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: go

[Nick McGowan]: had to pay

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: go

[Steven Blohm]: had to test

[Nick McGowan]: but you

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: had

[Steven Blohm]: get

[Nick McGowan]: to test

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: to get in

[Steven Blohm]: and i tested

[Nick McGowan]: and i tested

[Steven Blohm]: in that school

[Nick McGowan]: into that school

[Steven Blohm]: kind of district

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: system

[Nick McGowan]: of district

[Steven Blohm]: when i

[Nick McGowan]: system

[Steven Blohm]: was in middle

[Nick McGowan]: when i

[Steven Blohm]: school

[Nick McGowan]: was in

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: middle

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: school

[Steven Blohm]: lucky

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: enough

[Nick McGowan]: i was

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: lucky enough to

[Steven Blohm]: be able to get into that

[Nick McGowan]: be

[Steven Blohm]: high school

[Nick McGowan]: at high school that’s pretty cool

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: isn’t it interesting how when we talk

to people that don’t really have that creative

[Nick McGowan]: kind of mind

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: set the way that they build the

process through creating a piece it can be

[Nick McGowan]: hard sometimes to explain to them like

what we do when you think of what

[Nick McGowan]: we do you know three wise

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: and technology wise it’s sometimes

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: i think pretty easy for us to

be able to tie the two to it

[Nick McGowan]: but how do you how do you

think of that with the creative and

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: with what you talk about

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Steven Blohm]: and when it comes

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: creative

[Nick McGowan]: comes to

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: creative

[Steven Blohm]: just business

[Nick McGowan]: and just business

[Steven Blohm]: and how i just

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: look

[Nick McGowan]: how i

[Steven Blohm]: at

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: approaching

[Nick McGowan]: look at

[Steven Blohm]: situations

[Nick McGowan]: approaching

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: situation

[Steven Blohm]: everything like that

[Nick McGowan]: exactly

[Steven Blohm]: yeah so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: i would

[Nick McGowan]: i would

[Steven Blohm]: i would say it’s

[Nick McGowan]: i would say

[Steven Blohm]: kind

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: of an end

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: of an

[Steven Blohm]: individualized

[Nick McGowan]: in individualized

[Steven Blohm]: process to like

[Nick McGowan]: process

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: a person

[Nick McGowan]: you as

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: a person

[Steven Blohm]: i think if

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: i look

[Nick McGowan]: i think

[Steven Blohm]: at this

[Nick McGowan]: if i

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: look

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: at this

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: as like a

[Steven Blohm]: kind of across

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: of across

[Steven Blohm]: board

[Nick McGowan]: the board

[Steven Blohm]: i would say creatives

[Nick McGowan]: i would say creatives

[Steven Blohm]: like to be

[Nick McGowan]: like to

[Steven Blohm]: alone

[Nick McGowan]: be alone

[Steven Blohm]: while they try to process

[Nick McGowan]: while they

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: try to

[Steven Blohm]: information

[Nick McGowan]: process that information

[Steven Blohm]: instead of trying

[Nick McGowan]: instead

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: trying to have

[Steven Blohm]: a ton of meetings

[Nick McGowan]: a ton of meetings

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: let’s say i have a

[Nick McGowan]: let’s

[Steven Blohm]: problem

[Nick McGowan]: say i

[Steven Blohm]: that’s

[Nick McGowan]: have a

[Steven Blohm]: coming

[Nick McGowan]: problem

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: way

[Nick McGowan]: coming i

[Steven Blohm]: i am one

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: person

[Nick McGowan]: am

[Steven Blohm]: that really

[Nick McGowan]: one person

[Steven Blohm]: likes to

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: listen

[Nick McGowan]: really likes to listen

[Steven Blohm]: all the information

[Nick McGowan]: all

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: information

[Steven Blohm]: possibly

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: can

[Nick McGowan]: i possibly

[Steven Blohm]: instead of

[Nick McGowan]: can

[Steven Blohm]: just start

[Nick McGowan]: instead

[Steven Blohm]: diving

[Nick McGowan]: of just start

[Steven Blohm]: in and attacking

[Nick McGowan]: diving in and

[Steven Blohm]: questions

[Nick McGowan]: attacking questions

[Steven Blohm]: i want to really

[Nick McGowan]: i want

[Steven Blohm]: understand

[Nick McGowan]: to really

[Steven Blohm]: what

[Nick McGowan]: understand

[Steven Blohm]: the issue

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: the issue is

[Steven Blohm]: before i start

[Nick McGowan]: before

[Steven Blohm]: kind

[Nick McGowan]: i start

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: kind of

[Steven Blohm]: trying to throw

[Nick McGowan]: trying

[Steven Blohm]: pain

[Nick McGowan]: to throw

[Steven Blohm]: at the wall

[Nick McGowan]: pain at the law

[Steven Blohm]: right there’s a lot

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: of pieces

[Nick McGowan]: there’s a lot of pieces

[Steven Blohm]: kind of going back to the

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: art

[Nick McGowan]: to go

[Steven Blohm]: side

[Nick McGowan]: back to

[Steven Blohm]: of things

[Nick McGowan]: the art

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: side

[Steven Blohm]: i have

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: done

[Nick McGowan]: things

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: i haven’t

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve done

[Steven Blohm]: really

[Nick McGowan]: and i haven’t really

[Steven Blohm]: thought about

[Nick McGowan]: thought

[Steven Blohm]: what

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: piece

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: might mean

[Nick McGowan]: piece

[Steven Blohm]: to me

[Nick McGowan]: might mean to

[Steven Blohm]: and it comes out horrible

[Nick McGowan]: and it comes out horrible

[Steven Blohm]: but if i sit

[Nick McGowan]: but if

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: sit with

[Steven Blohm]: sit

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: with his

[Nick McGowan]: piece

[Steven Blohm]: blank

[Nick McGowan]: sit

[Steven Blohm]: canvas

[Nick McGowan]: with this blank

[Steven Blohm]: maybe

[Nick McGowan]: canvas

[Steven Blohm]: for an hour

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: for

[Steven Blohm]: i’m like

[Nick McGowan]: an hour and i’m

[Steven Blohm]: okay

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: i’m gonna

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Steven Blohm]: start

[Nick McGowan]: i’m gonna

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: start

[Steven Blohm]: brush stroke

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: there

[Nick McGowan]: brush

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: stroke

[Steven Blohm]: now it’s

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: going to

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: change

[Nick McGowan]: now it’s going

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: to change

[Steven Blohm]: like just

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: like with

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: any

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: solution

[Nick McGowan]: like with

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: any

[Steven Blohm]: business

[Nick McGowan]: solution

[Steven Blohm]: it’s never

[Nick McGowan]: business

[Steven Blohm]: going to

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: never going to

[Steven Blohm]: exactly

[Nick McGowan]: be exactly

[Steven Blohm]: what you started

[Nick McGowan]: what you started

[Steven Blohm]: and how you end

[Nick McGowan]: how you end

[Steven Blohm]: but if i don’t really

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: think

[Nick McGowan]: i don’t

[Steven Blohm]: about

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: how

[Nick McGowan]: think about

[Steven Blohm]: i want that

[Nick McGowan]: how

[Steven Blohm]: next

[Nick McGowan]: i want

[Steven Blohm]: brush

[Nick McGowan]: that next

[Steven Blohm]: stroke to

[Nick McGowan]: brush

[Steven Blohm]: go

[Nick McGowan]: stroke

[Steven Blohm]: or

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: how

[Nick McGowan]: go

[Steven Blohm]: i want to

[Nick McGowan]: or how

[Steven Blohm]: spray

[Nick McGowan]: i want to

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: spray

[Steven Blohm]: my spray

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: paint

[Nick McGowan]: my spray paint

[Steven Blohm]: like it’s

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: sloppy

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: sloppy

[Steven Blohm]: that’s the same

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: thing

[Nick McGowan]: that’s the

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: same thing

[Steven Blohm]: when it

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: comes to business

[Nick McGowan]: when it comes

[Steven Blohm]: and solutions

[Nick McGowan]: to business

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: and solutions

[Steven Blohm]: really want to

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: attack

[Nick McGowan]: really want

[Steven Blohm]: it

[Nick McGowan]: to attack

[Steven Blohm]: um you know

[Nick McGowan]: um

[Steven Blohm]: really methodically

[Nick McGowan]: you know really methodically

[Steven Blohm]: and i think that’s

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: kind

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: of how

[Nick McGowan]: think

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: creative

[Nick McGowan]: kind of how

[Steven Blohm]: process

[Nick McGowan]: my creative

[Steven Blohm]: is and

[Nick McGowan]: processes

[Steven Blohm]: a lot of creatives

[Nick McGowan]: and a lot

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: i know

[Nick McGowan]: creatives

[Steven Blohm]: really

[Nick McGowan]: that i

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: to like

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: sit

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: by

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: themselves

[Nick McGowan]: sit

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: by

[Steven Blohm]: think

[Nick McGowan]: themselves

[Steven Blohm]: about how they’re

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: going

[Nick McGowan]: think

[Steven Blohm]: to tack

[Nick McGowan]: about how

[Steven Blohm]: it

[Nick McGowan]: they’re going to tack it yeah it’s

interestin as you say

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: as you say that i kind of

picture you sitting there and just staring at

[Nick McGowan]: this blank canvas and being like where

do i start with this thing but understanding

[Nick McGowan]: that you want to figure out where

your intention is

[Steven Blohm]: correct

[Nick McGowan]: i think there are some people that

stop that thought from letting them do anything

[Nick McGowan]: like it

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: doesn’t allow them to

[Steven Blohm]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: act because they’re too busy thinking

[Steven Blohm]: h

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: things do you

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: ever

[Steven Blohm]: i mean

[Nick McGowan]: find

[Steven Blohm]: that’s

[Nick McGowan]: a kind of in that

[Steven Blohm]: a lot of times

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: lot

[Steven Blohm]: would

[Nick McGowan]: of times

[Steven Blohm]: get

[Nick McGowan]: i would get

[Steven Blohm]: overwhelmed

[Nick McGowan]: overwhelmed

[Steven Blohm]: um and then you just

[Nick McGowan]: and you

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: then you just shut

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: then you just shut down

[Steven Blohm]: so if

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: if that’s

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: case

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: the case

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: sometimes

[Steven Blohm]: will just

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: start

[Nick McGowan]: will

[Steven Blohm]: creating

[Nick McGowan]: just start

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: creating

[Steven Blohm]: will just start

[Nick McGowan]: i will just start

[Steven Blohm]: you know if it

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: comes

[Nick McGowan]: know if it becomes

[Steven Blohm]: kind of going in

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: between

[Nick McGowan]: of going

[Steven Blohm]: art

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: between

[Steven Blohm]: business

[Nick McGowan]: art and business

[Steven Blohm]: i’ll start just

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll

[Steven Blohm]: throwing

[Nick McGowan]: start

[Steven Blohm]: stuff

[Nick McGowan]: us

[Steven Blohm]: at

[Nick McGowan]: throwing

[Steven Blohm]: the canvas

[Nick McGowan]: stuff at the canvas

[Steven Blohm]: or i will

[Nick McGowan]: where

[Steven Blohm]: just start

[Nick McGowan]: i will just start

[Steven Blohm]: writing ideas

[Nick McGowan]: writing ideas

[Steven Blohm]: even though they might

[Nick McGowan]: even

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: though they

[Steven Blohm]: horrible

[Nick McGowan]: might be horrible

[Steven Blohm]: um you

[Nick McGowan]: um

[Steven Blohm]: know

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: some

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: of the

[Nick McGowan]: some

[Steven Blohm]: greatest

[Nick McGowan]: of the

[Steven Blohm]: founders

[Nick McGowan]: greatest

[Steven Blohm]: will say

[Nick McGowan]: founders

[Steven Blohm]: they

[Nick McGowan]: will say they

[Steven Blohm]: have a notebook and

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: they

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: write

[Nick McGowan]: notebook

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: and they

[Steven Blohm]: ten

[Nick McGowan]: write

[Steven Blohm]: thousand

[Nick McGowan]: down ten

[Steven Blohm]: ideas

[Nick McGowan]: thousand

[Steven Blohm]: and that

[Nick McGowan]: ideas

[Steven Blohm]: one idea

[Nick McGowan]: and that

[Steven Blohm]: sticks

[Nick McGowan]: one idea sticks

[Steven Blohm]: so it’s it’s

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: not

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: always

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: perfect

[Nick McGowan]: just that

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: perfect

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: sitting

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: there

[Nick McGowan]: sitting

[Steven Blohm]: looking

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: at the

[Nick McGowan]: looking at the

[Steven Blohm]: solution or

[Nick McGowan]: solution

[Steven Blohm]: canvas and

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: then

[Nick McGowan]: canvas

[Steven Blohm]: something

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: beautiful

[Nick McGowan]: then something

[Steven Blohm]: comes

[Nick McGowan]: beautiful comes

[Steven Blohm]: um that’s just like

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: an

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: ideal

[Nick McGowan]: like an

[Steven Blohm]: state

[Nick McGowan]: ideal

[Steven Blohm]: that i would

[Nick McGowan]: state

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: would like

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: to be in

[Steven Blohm]: but there are

[Nick McGowan]: but there are

[Steven Blohm]: thousands

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: thousand

[Steven Blohm]: times

[Nick McGowan]: at times

[Steven Blohm]: i get

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: overwhelmed

[Nick McGowan]: get overwhelmed

[Steven Blohm]: with anxiety

[Nick McGowan]: with anxiety

[Steven Blohm]: of i want

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: it to

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: wanted

[Steven Blohm]: beautiful

[Nick McGowan]: to be beautiful

[Steven Blohm]: and then i

[Nick McGowan]: and then

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: just kind

[Nick McGowan]: am

[Steven Blohm]: of crumbling

[Nick McGowan]: just kind of crumbling

[Steven Blohm]: so you have to

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Steven Blohm]: figure

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: out

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: how you

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: come

[Nick McGowan]: to figure

[Steven Blohm]: out

[Nick McGowan]: out

[Steven Blohm]: of that

[Nick McGowan]: how you

[Steven Blohm]: crumple

[Nick McGowan]: come out

[Steven Blohm]: though

[Nick McGowan]: of that crumble though yeah yeah well

let’s talk pre crumble and

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: then we’ll get post crumble

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: that’s

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: always

[Nick McGowan]: do you

[Steven Blohm]: good

[Nick McGowan]: what do you do in those moments

when you feel like all right i’m getting

[Nick McGowan]: overwhelmed or i can start to feel

it welling up what do you do to

[Nick McGowan]: to to divert that

[Steven Blohm]: a lot of times

[Nick McGowan]: a lot

[Steven Blohm]: i’ll

[Nick McGowan]: of times

[Steven Blohm]: go to

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll go to

[Steven Blohm]: music

[Nick McGowan]: music

[Steven Blohm]: i’ll go to podcast

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll go to podcast

[Steven Blohm]: i’ll go to readings

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll go to

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: readings

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: i have

[Steven Blohm]: kind of seek

[Nick McGowan]: kind of

[Steven Blohm]: comfort

[Nick McGowan]: seek

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: comfort

[Steven Blohm]: you know

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: you know like

[Steven Blohm]: ryan holiday

[Nick McGowan]: ryan holiday

[Steven Blohm]: is an author

[Nick McGowan]: is an

[Steven Blohm]: who

[Nick McGowan]: author who

[Steven Blohm]: writes about

[Nick McGowan]: writes

[Steven Blohm]: stoic

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: principles

[Nick McGowan]: stoic principles

[Steven Blohm]: a lot of time

[Nick McGowan]: a lot

[Steven Blohm]: i’ll

[Nick McGowan]: of time

[Steven Blohm]: just pick

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll

[Steven Blohm]: up and

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: read a

[Nick McGowan]: pick

[Steven Blohm]: chapter

[Nick McGowan]: up and

[Steven Blohm]: his

[Nick McGowan]: read

[Steven Blohm]: book

[Nick McGowan]: a chapter his book

[Steven Blohm]: or i

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: will watch

[Nick McGowan]: i will

[Steven Blohm]: one of my

[Nick McGowan]: watch

[Steven Blohm]: favorite

[Nick McGowan]: one of

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: tube

[Nick McGowan]: favorite youtube

[Steven Blohm]: creators

[Nick McGowan]: creators

[Steven Blohm]: or listen to

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: a podcast

[Nick McGowan]: listen to a podcast

[Steven Blohm]: um that’s

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: it brings me comfort

[Nick McGowan]: it brings me

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: comfort

[Steven Blohm]: i’ve

[Nick McGowan]: because i’ve

[Steven Blohm]: read it i’ve listened

[Nick McGowan]: read it

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve

[Steven Blohm]: it

[Nick McGowan]: listened

[Steven Blohm]: i’ve

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: watched

[Nick McGowan]: it i’ve

[Steven Blohm]: it a few

[Nick McGowan]: watched

[Steven Blohm]: times

[Nick McGowan]: it a few

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: times

[Steven Blohm]: it helps me

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: take

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: helps

[Steven Blohm]: mind

[Nick McGowan]: me take

[Steven Blohm]: off

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: of it

[Nick McGowan]: mind

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: off

[Steven Blohm]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: nothing

[Nick McGowan]: it so it’s

[Steven Blohm]: that’s

[Nick McGowan]: nothing

[Steven Blohm]: mind breaking

[Nick McGowan]: that’s mind

[Steven Blohm]: but it’s

[Nick McGowan]: breaking

[Steven Blohm]: very simple

[Nick McGowan]: but it’s very simple

[Steven Blohm]: that just kind

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: just kind

[Steven Blohm]: takes

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: away

[Nick McGowan]: takes

[Steven Blohm]: that anxiety

[Nick McGowan]: away that anxiety

[Steven Blohm]: if i need

[Nick McGowan]: of i

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: need to

[Steven Blohm]: create or

[Nick McGowan]: create

[Steven Blohm]: solve this

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: problem

[Nick McGowan]: solve

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: away

[Nick McGowan]: problem

[Steven Blohm]: it’s like

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: okay

[Nick McGowan]: away it’s

[Steven Blohm]: let

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: et

[Steven Blohm]: let

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: just take a

[Nick McGowan]: let

[Steven Blohm]: little

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: break

[Nick McGowan]: just take a

[Steven Blohm]: take

[Nick McGowan]: little

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: break

[Steven Blohm]: breather

[Nick McGowan]: take

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: a breather

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: right because

[Steven Blohm]: it’s as simple

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: as

[Steven Blohm]: meditating

[Nick McGowan]: simple as meditating

[Steven Blohm]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: kind of like my meditating

[Nick McGowan]: yeah it’s it’s just like what they

teach us in art too like if you’re

[Nick McGowan]: just beating on a product or a

project

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: rather you got to step away

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: and come back with fresh eyes

[Steven Blohm]: ah exactly

[Nick McGowan]: so when

[Steven Blohm]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: you go to those things do you

start to feel yourself get to the point

[Nick McGowan]: where you’re like all right i got

to do something really right now or do

[Nick McGowan]: you feel it kind of setting early

you’re in the process instead of just kind

[Nick McGowan]: of being like oh ship

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: i’m completely in fun what am i

going to do mode like

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: how do you feel that welling up

to make that shift because if you’re in

[Nick McGowan]: a tight spot o me ting or

having conversation or you have to do all

[Nick McGowan]: these things

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: it’s probably not the easiest to just

steal off for a couple of minutes and

[Nick McGowan]: listen to a podcast or watch a

youtube video or something

[Steven Blohm]: yeah it’s not so again that’s kind

of

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: situational

[Nick McGowan]: that’s kind of situation

[Steven Blohm]: you know if you’re sitting

[Nick McGowan]: if you’re

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: sitting

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: a board room which

[Nick McGowan]: a board

[Steven Blohm]: i’ve

[Nick McGowan]: room which

[Steven Blohm]: been

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve

[Steven Blohm]: in many

[Nick McGowan]: been

[Steven Blohm]: times

[Nick McGowan]: in many

[Steven Blohm]: or you’re

[Nick McGowan]: times

[Steven Blohm]: sitting in

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: you’re

[Steven Blohm]: meeting

[Nick McGowan]: sitting in a meeting

[Steven Blohm]: you have people

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: are

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: counting

[Nick McGowan]: people that

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: counting on you

[Steven Blohm]: would i have

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: found

[Nick McGowan]: i have found

[Steven Blohm]: truth

[Nick McGowan]: truth

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: the only thing

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: that will

[Nick McGowan]: only

[Steven Blohm]: set

[Nick McGowan]: thing

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: free

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll set you

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: free

[Steven Blohm]: i know that’s kind

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: know that’s

[Steven Blohm]: an

[Nick McGowan]: kind of

[Steven Blohm]: old

[Nick McGowan]: an

[Steven Blohm]: saying

[Nick McGowan]: old

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: saying

[Steven Blohm]: it’s kind of

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: cliche

[Nick McGowan]: it’s kind of clichabut

[Steven Blohm]: but if you’re feeling

[Nick McGowan]: if you’re

[Steven Blohm]: overwhelmed

[Nick McGowan]: feeling overwhelmed

[Steven Blohm]: and you don’t

[Nick McGowan]: and you

[Steven Blohm]: understand

[Nick McGowan]: don’t understand

[Steven Blohm]: do you can’t

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: present

[Nick McGowan]: you can’t

[Steven Blohm]: the solution

[Nick McGowan]: present the

[Steven Blohm]: or

[Nick McGowan]: solution

[Steven Blohm]: answer

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: answer

[Steven Blohm]: might

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: be needed

[Nick McGowan]: might

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: be

[Steven Blohm]: you at

[Nick McGowan]: needed

[Steven Blohm]: that time

[Nick McGowan]: of you at that time

[Steven Blohm]: just reach

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: out to the

[Nick McGowan]: reach

[Steven Blohm]: group

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: say

[Nick McGowan]: the group

[Steven Blohm]: we need

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: to circle

[Nick McGowan]: say we

[Steven Blohm]: back

[Nick McGowan]: need

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: circle back

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: need

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: to come

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: back

[Nick McGowan]: need

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: come

[Steven Blohm]: at

[Nick McGowan]: back

[Steven Blohm]: a later

[Nick McGowan]: to this

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: at a later time

[Steven Blohm]: that isn’t

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: maybe

[Nick McGowan]: isn’t

[Steven Blohm]: always

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Steven Blohm]: going

[Nick McGowan]: always

[Steven Blohm]: to work

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: to work

[Steven Blohm]: i have found

[Nick McGowan]: but i

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: found

[Steven Blohm]: try to bullshit

[Nick McGowan]: when i try

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: to bullshit

[Steven Blohm]: way through

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: an answer

[Nick McGowan]: way

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: through

[Steven Blohm]: feeling

[Nick McGowan]: an here en feeling

[Steven Blohm]: stressed or

[Nick McGowan]: stressed

[Steven Blohm]: overwhelmed

[Nick McGowan]: or overwhelm

[Steven Blohm]: it digs me into a deeper hole

so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: i am normally just honest with the

people that i’m around

[Nick McGowan]: people that’s a that’s a huge lesson

i know that’s something that

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: we don’t really you and i probably

didn’t really learn that until our thirties

[Steven Blohm]: no

[Nick McGowan]: know being like i’m

[Steven Blohm]: h

[Nick McGowan]: going to funk and keep doing this

i’m going to keep going and i’ll maybe

[Nick McGowan]: try to figure something

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: out but you’re totally right man that’s

a that’s a super power to

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: be able to say you know what

i’m not entirely

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: sure go find out or you know

take that next step

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: there was

[Nick McGowan]: there was

[Steven Blohm]: one time in particular

[Nick McGowan]: one time in particular

[Steven Blohm]: i would say

[Nick McGowan]: i would say

[Steven Blohm]: i learned this

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: lesson

[Nick McGowan]: learned this

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: lesson

[Steven Blohm]: hardest

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: way

[Nick McGowan]: hardest

[Steven Blohm]: possible

[Nick McGowan]: way possible

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: i was presenting

[Nick McGowan]: i was

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: presenting

[Steven Blohm]: some invest

[Nick McGowan]: to some

[Steven Blohm]: s of mine

[Nick McGowan]: investors of mine

[Steven Blohm]: from

[Nick McGowan]: from

[Steven Blohm]: my previous

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: life

[Nick McGowan]: previous

[Steven Blohm]: when i

[Nick McGowan]: life

[Steven Blohm]: was building

[Nick McGowan]: when i

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: company

[Nick McGowan]: building a company

[Steven Blohm]: i was giving

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: them

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: an

[Nick McGowan]: giving

[Steven Blohm]: update

[Nick McGowan]: them an

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: update

[Steven Blohm]: we were not

[Nick McGowan]: and we

[Steven Blohm]: anywhere

[Nick McGowan]: were not

[Steven Blohm]: close

[Nick McGowan]: anywhere

[Steven Blohm]: to where

[Nick McGowan]: close

[Steven Blohm]: we should

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: where

[Steven Blohm]: been

[Nick McGowan]: we should have

[Steven Blohm]: at that

[Nick McGowan]: been

[Steven Blohm]: particular

[Nick McGowan]: at that

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: particular

[Steven Blohm]: to where

[Nick McGowan]: time

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: promised

[Nick McGowan]: where i

[Steven Blohm]: we should

[Nick McGowan]: promised

[Steven Blohm]: where

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: we should have been

[Nick McGowan]: we should have been

[Steven Blohm]: i got on the call

[Nick McGowan]: i got on the call

[Steven Blohm]: open the power

[Nick McGowan]: open

[Steven Blohm]: point

[Nick McGowan]: the power

[Steven Blohm]: started

[Nick McGowan]: point

[Steven Blohm]: presenting

[Nick McGowan]: started presenting

[Steven Blohm]: this bullshit

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: to where

[Nick McGowan]: bullshit

[Steven Blohm]: we were

[Nick McGowan]: to where we were

[Steven Blohm]: i got to slide

[Nick McGowan]: i got to slide

[Steven Blohm]: i believe it was

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: slide

[Nick McGowan]: believe

[Steven Blohm]: three

[Nick McGowan]: it was slide three

[Steven Blohm]: and i put my head

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: put

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: head

[Steven Blohm]: couldn’t

[Nick McGowan]: down and

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: i couldn’t

[Steven Blohm]: physically

[Nick McGowan]: physically

[Steven Blohm]: could not talk

[Nick McGowan]: could not talk

[Steven Blohm]: because i know

[Nick McGowan]: because i know

[Steven Blohm]: i wasn’t i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: knew

[Nick McGowan]: wasn’t

[Steven Blohm]: that was still

[Nick McGowan]: i knew

[Steven Blohm]: not telling

[Nick McGowan]: i was still

[Steven Blohm]: truth

[Nick McGowan]: not telling truth

[Steven Blohm]: and they could see through

[Nick McGowan]: they

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: could see through me

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: at that moment

[Nick McGowan]: at that

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: moment

[Steven Blohm]: kind of

[Nick McGowan]: i kind of

[Steven Blohm]: said i would never

[Nick McGowan]: said

[Steven Blohm]: do

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: would

[Steven Blohm]: again

[Nick McGowan]: never do that again

[Steven Blohm]: so like

[Nick McGowan]: right so like

[Steven Blohm]: if i’m feeling

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: overwhelmed

[Nick McGowan]: i’m feeling

[Steven Blohm]: or

[Nick McGowan]: overwhelmed

[Steven Blohm]: if you’re not there

[Nick McGowan]: if we’re not

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: there just

[Steven Blohm]: you have to

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: tell

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: the truth

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: tell the

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: truth

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: will

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: see through

[Nick McGowan]: will

[Steven Blohm]: your bullshit

[Nick McGowan]: see your bullshit

[Steven Blohm]: all the time no matter what

[Nick McGowan]: no matter did you feel in that

moment like you let yourself

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: down or was it more of a

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: letting down of them or what goin

through your head

[Steven Blohm]: so at that

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: moment

[Nick McGowan]: at that

[Steven Blohm]: i definitely

[Nick McGowan]: moment i

[Steven Blohm]: felt

[Nick McGowan]: definitely

[Steven Blohm]: obviously

[Nick McGowan]: felt

[Steven Blohm]: that i

[Nick McGowan]: obviously

[Steven Blohm]: failed

[Nick McGowan]: that i failed

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: i put

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: i’m

[Nick McGowan]: put

[Steven Blohm]: very

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: competitive

[Nick McGowan]: very

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: competitive

[Steven Blohm]: i put a lot of

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: pressure

[Nick McGowan]: i put

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: a lot

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: of pressure on myself

[Steven Blohm]: so i did feel

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: i did

[Steven Blohm]: i let

[Nick McGowan]: feel that

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: know myself

[Nick McGowan]: know i failed

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: myself but

[Steven Blohm]: when you have

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: other

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: people’s

[Nick McGowan]: have other people’s

[Steven Blohm]: money and

[Nick McGowan]: money

[Steven Blohm]: you have investors

[Nick McGowan]: and you have

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: investors

[Steven Blohm]: are counting

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: counting on you

[Steven Blohm]: yes they know

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Steven Blohm]: the risk

[Nick McGowan]: they know the

[Steven Blohm]: but that

[Nick McGowan]: risk

[Steven Blohm]: doesn’t make

[Nick McGowan]: but that

[Steven Blohm]: it any

[Nick McGowan]: doesn’t

[Steven Blohm]: easier

[Nick McGowan]: make it any

[Steven Blohm]: when you’re

[Nick McGowan]: easier

[Steven Blohm]: not achieving

[Nick McGowan]: when you’re

[Steven Blohm]: milestones

[Nick McGowan]: not achieving

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: milestones

[Steven Blohm]: need to be met

[Nick McGowan]: that need to be met

[Steven Blohm]: and when

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: we were

[Nick McGowan]: when we

[Steven Blohm]: really

[Nick McGowan]: were

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: racing

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: to get

[Nick McGowan]: racing

[Steven Blohm]: a product

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: get

[Steven Blohm]: market

[Nick McGowan]: a product to market

[Steven Blohm]: it all boiled

[Nick McGowan]: it all

[Steven Blohm]: up

[Nick McGowan]: boiled

[Steven Blohm]: at that

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: one

[Nick McGowan]: at that

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: one

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: time and

[Steven Blohm]: yeah i just really felt

[Nick McGowan]: i just

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: everybody

[Nick McGowan]: felt like everybody

[Steven Blohm]: i was letting everybody

[Nick McGowan]: i was letting

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: everybody

[Steven Blohm]: at that moment

[Nick McGowan]: down

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: at that

[Steven Blohm]: be honest

[Nick McGowan]: moment to be honest man that could

be one of those breaking moments you know

[Nick McGowan]: there are stories of entrepreneurs

[Steven Blohm]: m m

[Nick McGowan]: that don’t recover from something like

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: that you know

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: that i know that was basically maybe

not the start but that as part of

[Nick McGowan]: the thing closing the door closing on

that and some people don’t know how to

[Nick McGowan]: come back from that be it

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: a relationship that ends a business venture

that ends or you know losing a job

[Nick McGowan]: or something like that so let’s actually

dig into that a little bit you want

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: give us some background with the company

and kind of a bit of an overview

[Nick McGowan]: so we can dig in

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: yeah so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah so

[Steven Blohm]: precovid

[Nick McGowan]: precovid

[Steven Blohm]: i had this

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: idea

[Nick McGowan]: had this idea

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: trying to bring

[Nick McGowan]: trying

[Steven Blohm]: affordable

[Nick McGowan]: to bring a

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: fordable

[Steven Blohm]: demand child

[Nick McGowan]: on demand

[Steven Blohm]: care

[Nick McGowan]: child

[Steven Blohm]: to the

[Nick McGowan]: care

[Steven Blohm]: market

[Nick McGowan]: to the market i

[Steven Blohm]: brought on a co

[Nick McGowan]: brought

[Steven Blohm]: founder

[Nick McGowan]: on a co founder

[Steven Blohm]: who is a really

[Nick McGowan]: who

[Steven Blohm]: good

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: friend

[Nick McGowan]: a really

[Steven Blohm]: of mine

[Nick McGowan]: good friend

[Steven Blohm]: an

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: incredible

[Nick McGowan]: mine incredible

[Steven Blohm]: marketing genius

[Nick McGowan]: marketing genius

[Steven Blohm]: when he

[Nick McGowan]: when you

[Steven Blohm]: was he was a director at

[Nick McGowan]: a director

[Steven Blohm]: amazon

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Steven Blohm]: that’s

[Nick McGowan]: amazon

[Steven Blohm]: beside the

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: point

[Nick McGowan]: beside

[Steven Blohm]: sorry

[Nick McGowan]: the point sorry

[Steven Blohm]: so we had this

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: idea

[Nick McGowan]: we had this idea

[Steven Blohm]: so we worked on

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: idea

[Nick McGowan]: worked on

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: a little

[Nick McGowan]: idea

[Steven Blohm]: while but

[Nick McGowan]: for a

[Steven Blohm]: realized

[Nick McGowan]: little while but

[Steven Blohm]: there

[Nick McGowan]: realized

[Steven Blohm]: were a lot of

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: holes

[Nick McGowan]: were a lot of

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: whole

[Steven Blohm]: this particular

[Nick McGowan]: in this particular

[Steven Blohm]: idea about affordable

[Nick McGowan]: idea about

[Steven Blohm]: child

[Nick McGowan]: affordable

[Steven Blohm]: care

[Nick McGowan]: child care

[Steven Blohm]: just because there were

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: lot

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: of security

[Nick McGowan]: there were

[Steven Blohm]: issues

[Nick McGowan]: of security

[Steven Blohm]: and that

[Nick McGowan]: issues

[Steven Blohm]: sort of thing

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: sort of thing

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: switched

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: focus

[Nick McGowan]: we switch focus

[Steven Blohm]: and we started

[Nick McGowan]: and we

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: started this

[Steven Blohm]: on demand learning

[Nick McGowan]: on demand

[Steven Blohm]: platform

[Nick McGowan]: learning platform

[Steven Blohm]: we wanted to

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: wanted

[Steven Blohm]: able

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: be able

[Steven Blohm]: connect

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: anybody

[Nick McGowan]: connect

[Steven Blohm]: in the

[Nick McGowan]: anybody

[Steven Blohm]: world

[Nick McGowan]: in the world

[Steven Blohm]: if that had something

[Nick McGowan]: that had

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Steven Blohm]: share

[Nick McGowan]: to share

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: we started

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: started

[Steven Blohm]: we made

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: we made

[Steven Blohm]: change

[Nick McGowan]: that change

[Steven Blohm]: um

[Nick McGowan]: um

[Steven Blohm]: january of

[Nick McGowan]: january

[Steven Blohm]: two thousand

[Nick McGowan]: of two thousand

[Steven Blohm]: twenty

[Nick McGowan]: twenty

[Steven Blohm]: as we know

[Nick McGowan]: as we know

[Steven Blohm]: march

[Nick McGowan]: march

[Steven Blohm]: twenty twenty

[Nick McGowan]: twenty

[Steven Blohm]: hit

[Nick McGowan]: twenty hit

[Steven Blohm]: everything shut

[Nick McGowan]: everything

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: shut down

[Steven Blohm]: so from january

[Nick McGowan]: so from

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: january

[Steven Blohm]: march

[Nick McGowan]: to march

[Steven Blohm]: nothing

[Nick McGowan]: nothing

[Steven Blohm]: substantial

[Nick McGowan]: substantial

[Steven Blohm]: happened during

[Nick McGowan]: happened

[Steven Blohm]: that time

[Nick McGowan]: during

[Steven Blohm]: it was

[Nick McGowan]: that time that

[Steven Blohm]: us

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: really trying

[Nick McGowan]: us

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: re

[Nick McGowan]: trying

[Steven Blohm]: focus

[Nick McGowan]: to re focus

[Steven Blohm]: um as co founders and how were

we going to get additional investment and forward

[Steven Blohm]: with this but when this happened we

were like oh great like this could really

[Nick McGowan]: le

[Steven Blohm]: this could really

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: help

[Nick McGowan]: could really

[Steven Blohm]: our

[Nick McGowan]: help our

[Steven Blohm]: you know idea at

[Nick McGowan]: no

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: idea

[Steven Blohm]: time it

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Steven Blohm]: wasn’t

[Nick McGowan]: the time

[Steven Blohm]: necessarily

[Nick McGowan]: it wasn’t necessarily

[Steven Blohm]: a company

[Nick McGowan]: a company

[Steven Blohm]: really really

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: excel

[Nick McGowan]: really excell

[Steven Blohm]: so at that point

[Nick McGowan]: so at that

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: point

[Steven Blohm]: really

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: doubled

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: doubled down

[Steven Blohm]: we went

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: out and

[Nick McGowan]: went

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: out

[Steven Blohm]: raised

[Nick McGowan]: and we

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: raised

[Steven Blohm]: pretty

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: substantial

[Nick McGowan]: pretty substantial

[Steven Blohm]: amount of money

[Nick McGowan]: amount of money

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: pretty proud

[Nick McGowan]: i was pretty

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: proud we

[Steven Blohm]: didn’t raise

[Nick McGowan]: didn’t raise

[Steven Blohm]: a ton of friends

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: tongue

[Steven Blohm]: family

[Nick McGowan]: friends

[Steven Blohm]: i did

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: family

[Steven Blohm]: a few

[Nick McGowan]: i did have a few

[Steven Blohm]: close friends

[Nick McGowan]: close

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: friends that

[Steven Blohm]: ended up

[Nick McGowan]: ended

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: trusting us

[Nick McGowan]: trusting

[Steven Blohm]: and investing

[Nick McGowan]: us

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: investing

[Steven Blohm]: us but

[Nick McGowan]: with us

[Steven Blohm]: at

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: first my

[Nick McGowan]: at first

[Steven Blohm]: goal was

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: goal

[Steven Blohm]: never

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: accept

[Nick McGowan]: to never accept

[Steven Blohm]: any friends and

[Nick McGowan]: any

[Steven Blohm]: family

[Nick McGowan]: friends and family

[Steven Blohm]: one because my

[Nick McGowan]: ne because my

[Steven Blohm]: parents are

[Nick McGowan]: parents

[Steven Blohm]: parents

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Steven Blohm]: that would

[Nick McGowan]: parent

[Steven Blohm]: say

[Nick McGowan]: i would

[Steven Blohm]: hey

[Nick McGowan]: say

[Steven Blohm]: go fuck

[Nick McGowan]: hey

[Steven Blohm]: yourself

[Nick McGowan]: go fuck

[Steven Blohm]: it’s my

[Nick McGowan]: yourself

[Steven Blohm]: money

[Nick McGowan]: it’s my money

[Steven Blohm]: very lovingly

[Nick McGowan]: very lovingly

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Steven Blohm]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: but it’s

[Steven Blohm]: yeah we’re not going to

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: give you

[Nick McGowan]: we’re

[Steven Blohm]: any

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: money

[Nick McGowan]: going to give you any money

[Steven Blohm]: so we went down

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: road

[Nick McGowan]: went down that

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: road

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: brought in another

[Nick McGowan]: we brought

[Steven Blohm]: technical

[Nick McGowan]: in another

[Steven Blohm]: co founder

[Nick McGowan]: technical

[Steven Blohm]: after

[Nick McGowan]: co

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: founder

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: after

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: time

[Steven Blohm]: continued

[Nick McGowan]: and just

[Steven Blohm]: down the

[Nick McGowan]: continued

[Steven Blohm]: start up path

[Nick McGowan]: on the start up path

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: so as

[Steven Blohm]: there

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: continue down that yeah

[Steven Blohm]: yeah so

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: we we

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: knew that the

[Nick McGowan]: we knew

[Steven Blohm]: idea

[Nick McGowan]: that the idea

[Steven Blohm]: based off of

[Nick McGowan]: based

[Steven Blohm]: how many

[Nick McGowan]: off

[Steven Blohm]: investors

[Nick McGowan]: of how many

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: investors

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: that we

[Steven Blohm]: that we had

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: we had was

[Steven Blohm]: was valid

[Nick McGowan]: was valid

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: when we started

[Nick McGowan]: whence

[Steven Blohm]: doing

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: market

[Nick McGowan]: started

[Steven Blohm]: research

[Nick McGowan]: doing market research

[Steven Blohm]: testing

[Nick McGowan]: testing

[Steven Blohm]: we were getting

[Nick McGowan]: we were getting

[Steven Blohm]: some kind of bata

[Nick McGowan]: some kind

[Steven Blohm]: users

[Nick McGowan]: of bata

[Steven Blohm]: and a

[Nick McGowan]: users

[Steven Blohm]: very

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: very

[Nick McGowan]: a very

[Steven Blohm]: rough

[Nick McGowan]: very

[Steven Blohm]: version

[Nick McGowan]: rough

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: version

[Steven Blohm]: what we were going

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: bring

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: were

[Steven Blohm]: market

[Nick McGowan]: going a bring to market

[Steven Blohm]: it was ing some

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: traction

[Nick McGowan]: was gaining some traction

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: at that time we

[Nick McGowan]: at that

[Steven Blohm]: had people

[Nick McGowan]: time we

[Steven Blohm]: asking

[Nick McGowan]: had people

[Steven Blohm]: us

[Nick McGowan]: asking

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: us to

[Steven Blohm]: invest their money

[Nick McGowan]: invest

[Steven Blohm]: without

[Nick McGowan]: their

[Steven Blohm]: us

[Nick McGowan]: money without

[Steven Blohm]: asking

[Nick McGowan]: us

[Steven Blohm]: have to invest

[Nick McGowan]: asking

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: all

[Nick McGowan]: invest

[Steven Blohm]: these kind

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: all these

[Steven Blohm]: things

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: were

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: kind of

[Nick McGowan]: things were kind

[Steven Blohm]: coming

[Nick McGowan]: of coming

[Steven Blohm]: coming into play

[Nick McGowan]: coming

[Steven Blohm]: which

[Nick McGowan]: into play

[Steven Blohm]: which was

[Nick McGowan]: which

[Steven Blohm]: great

[Nick McGowan]: which was great

[Steven Blohm]: um towards the end

[Nick McGowan]: towards

[Steven Blohm]: of twenty

[Nick McGowan]: the end

[Steven Blohm]: twenty

[Nick McGowan]: of twenty twenty

[Steven Blohm]: is when

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: everything

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: kind of

[Nick McGowan]: everything

[Steven Blohm]: started to

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: turn

[Nick McGowan]: of started to turn

[Steven Blohm]: our technical co

[Nick McGowan]: our technical

[Steven Blohm]: founder

[Nick McGowan]: co founder

[Steven Blohm]: left

[Nick McGowan]: left

[Steven Blohm]: at left at the

[Nick McGowan]: left

[Steven Blohm]: end of twenty

[Nick McGowan]: at the

[Steven Blohm]: twenty

[Nick McGowan]: end of twenty twenty

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: scrambled to

[Nick McGowan]: scrambled

[Steven Blohm]: find

[Nick McGowan]: to find

[Steven Blohm]: new development part

[Nick McGowan]: new development

[Steven Blohm]: partners

[Nick McGowan]: par

[Steven Blohm]: which we

[Nick McGowan]: partners

[Steven Blohm]: were able

[Nick McGowan]: which

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: do

[Nick McGowan]: were

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: able to do so

[Steven Blohm]: but that was kind

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: turning

[Nick McGowan]: kind of the

[Steven Blohm]: point

[Nick McGowan]: turning

[Steven Blohm]: where

[Nick McGowan]: point where

[Steven Blohm]: we were really

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: pushing

[Nick McGowan]: were really

[Steven Blohm]: a boulder

[Nick McGowan]: pushing a

[Steven Blohm]: uphill

[Nick McGowan]: boulder

[Steven Blohm]: at that

[Nick McGowan]: uphill

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: at that time yeah and that’s it’s

tough that’s kind of it’s a tough hill

[Nick McGowan]: to climb trying to get away from

the pun there but like

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: it is no matter

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: what you’re doing no matter what business

it is and there are a lot of

[Nick McGowan]: people to listen to the show that

have either currently have side hustle or their

[Nick McGowan]: full time and their business or they

want to do something but there’s always that

[Nick McGowan]: fear no matter what that funk what

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: if it just doesn’t work how do

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: i come back from now

[Steven Blohm]: i didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: i didn’t

[Steven Blohm]: i didn’t have that

[Nick McGowan]: i didn’t

[Steven Blohm]: in my

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: head

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: longest

[Nick McGowan]: head for

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: the longest time

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: well let me

[Nick McGowan]: well

[Steven Blohm]: back up

[Nick McGowan]: let

[Steven Blohm]: one

[Nick McGowan]: me back

[Steven Blohm]: reason i

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: one

[Steven Blohm]: want

[Nick McGowan]: reason

[Steven Blohm]: friends

[Nick McGowan]: i didn’t

[Steven Blohm]: and families

[Nick McGowan]: want friends

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: and families

[Steven Blohm]: i had

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: maybe

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: had

[Steven Blohm]: nugget

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: nugget of that

[Steven Blohm]: but i knew what

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: knew

[Steven Blohm]: were building

[Nick McGowan]: what we were building

[Steven Blohm]: could be used

[Nick McGowan]: could

[Steven Blohm]: by

[Nick McGowan]: be used by

[Steven Blohm]: hundreds of thousands

[Nick McGowan]: hundreds of

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: thousands

[Steven Blohm]: was hoping millions

[Nick McGowan]: i was hoping

[Steven Blohm]: of people

[Nick McGowan]: millions of people

[Steven Blohm]: so i didn’t really

[Nick McGowan]: so i

[Steven Blohm]: let

[Nick McGowan]: didn’t

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: enter

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: mind

[Nick McGowan]: enter

[Steven Blohm]: even

[Nick McGowan]: my mind

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: even

[Steven Blohm]: our

[Nick McGowan]: when our

[Steven Blohm]: technical co

[Nick McGowan]: technical

[Steven Blohm]: founder

[Nick McGowan]: co

[Steven Blohm]: left

[Nick McGowan]: founder left

[Steven Blohm]: i knew

[Nick McGowan]: i knew

[Steven Blohm]: we had such

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: a good

[Nick McGowan]: had

[Steven Blohm]: relationship

[Nick McGowan]: such a good relationship

[Steven Blohm]: with our investors

[Nick McGowan]: with our investors

[Steven Blohm]: we were able

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: to find

[Nick McGowan]: were

[Steven Blohm]: another

[Nick McGowan]: able to find

[Steven Blohm]: development

[Nick McGowan]: another

[Steven Blohm]: team

[Nick McGowan]: development

[Steven Blohm]: that was

[Nick McGowan]: team

[Steven Blohm]: able to

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: help

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: us

[Nick McGowan]: able

[Steven Blohm]: that was

[Nick McGowan]: to help

[Steven Blohm]: absolutely

[Nick McGowan]: us that

[Steven Blohm]: amazing

[Nick McGowan]: was absolutely amazing

[Steven Blohm]: i might have

[Nick McGowan]: i might

[Steven Blohm]: been

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: not

[Nick McGowan]: been

[Steven Blohm]: kind of looking

[Nick McGowan]: kind

[Steven Blohm]: at the

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: writing

[Nick McGowan]: looking

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: wall

[Nick McGowan]: writing

[Steven Blohm]: at the

[Nick McGowan]: on the

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: wall

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: at the

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: time

[Steven Blohm]: was determined

[Nick McGowan]: but i was determined

[Steven Blohm]: that we were going

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: to continue

[Nick McGowan]: we were going

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: make

[Nick McGowan]: continue

[Steven Blohm]: this work

[Nick McGowan]: to make

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: this work because

[Steven Blohm]: we we saw

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: what the

[Nick McGowan]: saw

[Steven Blohm]: market

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: asking

[Nick McGowan]: market

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: was asking for

[Steven Blohm]: and it wasn’t

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: quite

[Nick McGowan]: it wasn’t

[Steven Blohm]: fulfilled

[Nick McGowan]: quite

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: fulfilled

[Steven Blohm]: we knew what

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: were

[Nick McGowan]: knew

[Steven Blohm]: bringing

[Nick McGowan]: what we were

[Steven Blohm]: could

[Nick McGowan]: bringing

[Steven Blohm]: fulfill that

[Nick McGowan]: could

[Steven Blohm]: gap

[Nick McGowan]: fulfill that gap

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: i really try

[Nick McGowan]: i really

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: try

[Steven Blohm]: not let

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: not let that

[Steven Blohm]: kind of negativity

[Nick McGowan]: kind of negativity

[Steven Blohm]: enter even though it was very hard

[Nick McGowan]: it was very

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: hard

[Steven Blohm]: know it was incredibly hard

[Nick McGowan]: as incredibly

[Steven Blohm]: when we fell

[Nick McGowan]: hard

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: our

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: face

[Nick McGowan]: fell in our

[Steven Blohm]: at

[Nick McGowan]: face

[Steven Blohm]: the end of twenty

[Nick McGowan]: at the

[Steven Blohm]: twenty

[Nick McGowan]: end of twenty twenty

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: we had to eat that

[Nick McGowan]: we had to eat that yeah it’s

it’s a thing that’s there no matter what

[Nick McGowan]: as you pointed out like that nugget

you know i wouldn’t ever suggest that anybody

[Nick McGowan]: starts a business thinking like well fuck

this thing ain’t going to work

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: there’s

[Steven Blohm]: of course

[Nick McGowan]: no reason to do anything like in

fact if you have no belief then nothing

[Nick McGowan]: is going to happen with it at

least positive

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: nothing is positive going to happen with

it but in that case of being able

[Nick McGowan]: to keep fighting that good fight that’s

kind of one of those balanced areas where

[Nick McGowan]: you’ve got to know at some point

when you let the damn thing die and

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: got to be okay with that and

that’s a differ pill for anybody to swallow

[Nick McGowan]: because for the most part a lot

of people put everything they can into what

[Nick McGowan]: they’re doing especially as an entrepreneur that’s

part of what’s in our gens to just

[Nick McGowan]: give it everything we’ve got

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: so how did you not

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: set your character within all of that

and still be able to separate yourself from

[Nick McGowan]: it without saying you know this was

who i was and now i have no

[Nick McGowan]: thing left

[Steven Blohm]: wow

[Nick McGowan]: wow

[Steven Blohm]: that’s a

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: very

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: loaded

[Nick McGowan]: very

[Steven Blohm]: question

[Nick McGowan]: loaded

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: question because

[Steven Blohm]: i think when you

[Nick McGowan]: i think

[Steven Blohm]: put

[Nick McGowan]: when you put

[Steven Blohm]: your entire self

[Nick McGowan]: entiyourself

[Steven Blohm]: into something

[Nick McGowan]: into something

[Steven Blohm]: it’s very

[Nick McGowan]: and it’s

[Steven Blohm]: hard

[Nick McGowan]: very hard

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: separate that

[Nick McGowan]: separate

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: it comes to

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: it comes

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: to that time

[Steven Blohm]: and to make

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: sure

[Nick McGowan]: to make

[Steven Blohm]: while

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Steven Blohm]: you’re

[Nick McGowan]: while

[Steven Blohm]: still

[Nick McGowan]: you’re

[Steven Blohm]: in the

[Nick McGowan]: still

[Steven Blohm]: moment

[Nick McGowan]: in the moment m

[Steven Blohm]: to remember that there’s

[Nick McGowan]: remember

[Steven Blohm]: other

[Nick McGowan]: that there’s

[Steven Blohm]: things that

[Nick McGowan]: other

[Steven Blohm]: are going

[Nick McGowan]: things that

[Steven Blohm]: outside

[Nick McGowan]: are going

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: outside

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: of this

[Steven Blohm]: entrepreneurrship

[Nick McGowan]: entrepreneur

[Steven Blohm]: start

[Nick McGowan]: ship

[Steven Blohm]: up

[Nick McGowan]: start up

[Steven Blohm]: right i am a

[Nick McGowan]: i am a

[Steven Blohm]: most

[Nick McGowan]: most

[Steven Blohm]: first and foremost

[Nick McGowan]: first and foremost

[Steven Blohm]: i am a husband

[Nick McGowan]: i am

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: husband

[Steven Blohm]: father of

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: two

[Nick McGowan]: a father of two um

[Steven Blohm]: and i can tell

[Nick McGowan]: and i

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: can tell

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: building

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: a company

[Nick McGowan]: building a company

[Steven Blohm]: put the most strain

[Nick McGowan]: put the most

[Steven Blohm]: on my

[Nick McGowan]: strain on

[Steven Blohm]: relationships

[Nick McGowan]: my relationships

[Steven Blohm]: and marriage

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: marriage

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: ever

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: experienced

[Nick McGowan]: ever experienced

[Steven Blohm]: it definitely brought

[Nick McGowan]: definitely brought

[Steven Blohm]: to the lowest point

[Nick McGowan]: the lowest point

[Steven Blohm]: but i was so

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: wrapped

[Nick McGowan]: i was so

[Steven Blohm]: up that

[Nick McGowan]: wrapped

[Steven Blohm]: that company

[Nick McGowan]: up that that

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: company was

[Steven Blohm]: it was gonna

[Nick McGowan]: it was gonna

[Steven Blohm]: it was going to make

[Nick McGowan]: i was going

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: to make

[Steven Blohm]: a better

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: person

[Nick McGowan]: a better person

[Steven Blohm]: if we were successful

[Nick McGowan]: if we were successful

[Steven Blohm]: it was going to

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: make

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: a better

[Nick McGowan]: to make

[Steven Blohm]: father

[Nick McGowan]: me a better

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: father

[Steven Blohm]: a better husband

[Nick McGowan]: and a better

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: husband so

[Steven Blohm]: i can i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: can

[Nick McGowan]: can

[Steven Blohm]: relate

[Nick McGowan]: i can

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: relate to

[Steven Blohm]: and admit that

[Nick McGowan]: admit

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: not

[Nick McGowan]: i was not

[Steven Blohm]: able to separate

[Nick McGowan]: able to

[Steven Blohm]: it very

[Nick McGowan]: separate

[Steven Blohm]: well

[Nick McGowan]: it very well

[Steven Blohm]: especially

[Nick McGowan]: especially

[Steven Blohm]: during the

[Nick McGowan]: during

[Steven Blohm]: time of while

[Nick McGowan]: the time

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: building

[Nick McGowan]: while it was building

[Steven Blohm]: and i would say

[Nick McGowan]: and i would say

[Steven Blohm]: as we were

[Nick McGowan]: as

[Steven Blohm]: making

[Nick McGowan]: we were

[Steven Blohm]: the decision

[Nick McGowan]: making the decision

[Steven Blohm]: to come to

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: an

[Nick McGowan]: come

[Steven Blohm]: end

[Nick McGowan]: to an end

[Steven Blohm]: it was very hard

[Nick McGowan]: it was

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: very

[Steven Blohm]: separate

[Nick McGowan]: hard to

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: separate yeah how did i want to

be able to have a take away from

[Nick McGowan]: the audience that goes through this you

know i know there are certain people that

[Nick McGowan]: i can think of that actively listen

to the show that i know that they’ve

[Nick McGowan]: gone through it

[Steven Blohm]: h

[Nick McGowan]: and if they think

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: back through the process of what they’ve

done it may look similar to how you

[Nick McGowan]: and i have done those things by

me getting out of my own company divorced

[Nick McGowan]: all that and same with you getting

out of yours but if somebody’s walking down

[Nick McGowan]: that path that’s in the back of

their mind how do i get out of

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: thing that i built what sort of

steps would you you know lovingly walk them

[Nick McGowan]: through but at the same time hold

them accountable with it

[Steven Blohm]: yeah you have to rely

[Nick McGowan]: you have

[Steven Blohm]: on the

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: rely

[Steven Blohm]: that are

[Nick McGowan]: on

[Steven Blohm]: around

[Nick McGowan]: the people

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: that are around

[Steven Blohm]: and you

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: have to trust

[Nick McGowan]: and you have

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: to trust that

[Steven Blohm]: you like they’re not

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: going

[Nick McGowan]: they’re

[Steven Blohm]: to let

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: completely

[Nick McGowan]: to let you

[Steven Blohm]: fall

[Nick McGowan]: completely fall

[Steven Blohm]: like you

[Nick McGowan]: like you

[Steven Blohm]: have to hold

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: yourself

[Nick McGowan]: to hold yourself

[Steven Blohm]: self accountable

[Nick McGowan]: self

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: accountable that

[Steven Blohm]: whatever you

[Nick McGowan]: whatever

[Steven Blohm]: built

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: might

[Nick McGowan]: built

[Steven Blohm]: not have

[Nick McGowan]: might

[Steven Blohm]: worked

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: worked and

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: have to make

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: tough

[Nick McGowan]: to make

[Steven Blohm]: decision

[Nick McGowan]: that tough

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: decision but

[Steven Blohm]: like life

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: will not

[Nick McGowan]: life

[Steven Blohm]: end

[Nick McGowan]: will not end

[Steven Blohm]: and that’s really

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: what

[Nick McGowan]: that’s

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: really what

[Steven Blohm]: had

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: to keep telling

[Nick McGowan]: had to

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: keep telling

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: myself

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: know i have two

[Nick McGowan]: you know

[Steven Blohm]: beautiful

[Nick McGowan]: i had

[Steven Blohm]: kids

[Nick McGowan]: two beautiful

[Steven Blohm]: that have

[Nick McGowan]: kids

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: beautiful

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: wife

[Nick McGowan]: a beautiful

[Steven Blohm]: that has

[Nick McGowan]: life

[Steven Blohm]: sported

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: me this

[Nick McGowan]: has sported

[Steven Blohm]: whole time

[Nick McGowan]: me this whole time

[Steven Blohm]: i need to make sure

[Nick McGowan]: i need to

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: make sure

[Steven Blohm]: i’m

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: doing

[Nick McGowan]: i’m

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: doing

[Steven Blohm]: best for the

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: best

[Steven Blohm]: around

[Nick McGowan]: for the people

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: around me

[Steven Blohm]: and maybe shutting

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: shutting

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: this down

[Steven Blohm]: is that decision

[Nick McGowan]: is that decision

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: i know it’s

[Nick McGowan]: i know it’s

[Steven Blohm]: you know somebody’s

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: going

[Nick McGowan]: know somebody’s

[Steven Blohm]: through that and they’re

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: listening

[Nick McGowan]: through that they’re

[Steven Blohm]: and they’re

[Nick McGowan]: listening

[Steven Blohm]: really struggling

[Nick McGowan]: and they’re

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: really struggling

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: as now the

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: is now the time

[Steven Blohm]: mean maybe next

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Steven Blohm]: month i

[Nick McGowan]: next

[Steven Blohm]: might

[Nick McGowan]: month

[Steven Blohm]: get there

[Nick McGowan]: i might get there

[Steven Blohm]: if you’re having

[Nick McGowan]: you’re

[Steven Blohm]: to really

[Nick McGowan]: having to really

[Steven Blohm]: you know hope

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: hope

[Steven Blohm]: the next

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: move

[Nick McGowan]: the next

[Steven Blohm]: is going to

[Nick McGowan]: move

[Steven Blohm]: get

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: there

[Nick McGowan]: to get you there

[Steven Blohm]: then you need

[Nick McGowan]: then

[Steven Blohm]: to have

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: a realistic

[Nick McGowan]: need to have

[Steven Blohm]: conversation

[Nick McGowan]: a realistic

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: conversation

[Steven Blohm]: yourself and

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: say

[Nick McGowan]: yourself

[Steven Blohm]: maybe

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: now’s

[Nick McGowan]: say

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Steven Blohm]: time

[Nick McGowan]: now’s the time

[Steven Blohm]: because we’ve all

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: been

[Nick McGowan]: we’ve

[Steven Blohm]: there

[Nick McGowan]: all in

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: that next

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: move

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: never

[Nick McGowan]: next

[Steven Blohm]: got

[Nick McGowan]: move

[Steven Blohm]: us there

[Nick McGowan]: never got us there

[Steven Blohm]: and i

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: really had

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: make sure

[Nick McGowan]: had to

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: make sure that

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: checking

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: checking

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: myself

[Steven Blohm]: checking my

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: ego

[Nick McGowan]: checking my

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: ego so

[Steven Blohm]: at the end of the day

[Nick McGowan]: at the end of

[Steven Blohm]: it

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: day it was

[Steven Blohm]: it was definitely

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: best

[Nick McGowan]: definitely

[Steven Blohm]: move

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: best move but

[Steven Blohm]: now bringing this back

[Nick McGowan]: bringing

[Steven Blohm]: to your question

[Nick McGowan]: this back to your question

[Steven Blohm]: i had to trust the

[Nick McGowan]: i had

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: to trust

[Steven Blohm]: around

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: people around me

[Steven Blohm]: and i had to

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: actually

[Nick McGowan]: had to

[Steven Blohm]: listen

[Nick McGowan]: actually

[Steven Blohm]: to them

[Nick McGowan]: listen to

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: them

[Steven Blohm]: their needs

[Nick McGowan]: and their needs it’s like looking through

different glasses at that point instead

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: of the ones that you’re staring through

the entire day as you look at your

[Nick McGowan]: business it’s looking at something different but

with their specific questions that you did they

[Nick McGowan]: ask internally as those things were kind

of becoming

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: aware to you

[Steven Blohm]: oh in relation

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: relation

[Steven Blohm]: just the

[Nick McGowan]: to just

[Steven Blohm]: company

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: itself

[Nick McGowan]: company

[Steven Blohm]: or

[Nick McGowan]: itself

[Steven Blohm]: like how

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: can

[Nick McGowan]: whole

[Steven Blohm]: i come to

[Nick McGowan]: situation

[Steven Blohm]: this so i did

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: ask

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: did ask myself

[Steven Blohm]: first and foremost

[Nick McGowan]: first and

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: foremost

[Steven Blohm]: i being

[Nick McGowan]: am i

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: being

[Steven Blohm]: best father

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: best

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: father

[Steven Blohm]: possibly

[Nick McGowan]: that i

[Steven Blohm]: could

[Nick McGowan]: possibly

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: could be

[Steven Blohm]: during this process

[Nick McGowan]: during this process

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: trying

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: to tell

[Nick McGowan]: trying

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: to tell

[Steven Blohm]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: myself yes

[Steven Blohm]: but i was not

[Nick McGowan]: but i was not

[Steven Blohm]: um not being

[Nick McGowan]: not being

[Steven Blohm]: not that i was being

[Nick McGowan]: not that

[Steven Blohm]: neglectful

[Nick McGowan]: i was being neglectful

[Steven Blohm]: or anything

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: anything

[Steven Blohm]: that it

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: just

[Nick McGowan]: it was just

[Steven Blohm]: i wasn’t present

[Nick McGowan]: i wasn’t present

[Steven Blohm]: so i was

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: playing

[Nick McGowan]: when i

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: playing

[Steven Blohm]: kids

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: or i

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: kids

[Steven Blohm]: helping them

[Nick McGowan]: or i

[Steven Blohm]: with

[Nick McGowan]: was helping

[Steven Blohm]: home

[Nick McGowan]: them with

[Steven Blohm]: work

[Nick McGowan]: home

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: work

[Steven Blohm]: was thinking

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: about

[Nick McGowan]: was thinking

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: know my

[Nick McGowan]: you know

[Steven Blohm]: start up

[Nick McGowan]: my start up

[Steven Blohm]: and that

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: was the

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: first

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: first

[Steven Blohm]: the first

[Nick McGowan]: that was the

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: first

[Steven Blohm]: probably last

[Nick McGowan]: probably

[Steven Blohm]: quit

[Nick McGowan]: last

[Steven Blohm]: and i

[Nick McGowan]: question

[Steven Blohm]: asked

[Nick McGowan]: i asked

[Steven Blohm]: but there

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: was many more

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: questions

[Nick McGowan]: are many more questions

[Steven Blohm]: i could have asked

[Nick McGowan]: i could

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: asked

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: doing

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: the best

[Nick McGowan]: doing

[Steven Blohm]: by

[Nick McGowan]: the best

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: by

[Steven Blohm]: investors

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: investors

[Steven Blohm]: my holding

[Nick McGowan]: in

[Steven Blohm]: of the

[Nick McGowan]: hoping

[Steven Blohm]: fiduciary

[Nick McGowan]: that the trediciary

[Steven Blohm]: responsibility

[Nick McGowan]: responsibility

[Steven Blohm]: right now in

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: now and my

[Steven Blohm]: promise the market

[Nick McGowan]: promising

[Steven Blohm]: something

[Nick McGowan]: the market

[Steven Blohm]: that’s actually

[Nick McGowan]: something that’s

[Steven Blohm]: never going

[Nick McGowan]: ally

[Steven Blohm]: to come

[Nick McGowan]: never going to come

[Steven Blohm]: so there’s a lot of

[Nick McGowan]: there’s

[Steven Blohm]: other questions

[Nick McGowan]: a lot of other

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: questions that

[Steven Blohm]: there were surface

[Nick McGowan]: there were

[Steven Blohm]: levels

[Nick McGowan]: surface

[Steven Blohm]: that i

[Nick McGowan]: levels

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: running

[Nick McGowan]: i was

[Steven Blohm]: through

[Nick McGowan]: running through

[Steven Blohm]: but when it came

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: down

[Nick McGowan]: when it came

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: down to

[Steven Blohm]: what really sealed

[Nick McGowan]: what

[Steven Blohm]: the

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: deal

[Nick McGowan]: sealed

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: the deal

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: for me is

[Steven Blohm]: knowing that

[Nick McGowan]: knowing

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: that i

[Steven Blohm]: was not being

[Nick McGowan]: as

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: present

[Nick McGowan]: being

[Steven Blohm]: father

[Nick McGowan]: a present father

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: how was that

[Nick McGowan]: how was

[Steven Blohm]: having

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: a negative

[Nick McGowan]: having

[Steven Blohm]: impact

[Nick McGowan]: a negative

[Steven Blohm]: on my

[Nick McGowan]: impact

[Steven Blohm]: kids

[Nick McGowan]: on my kids it’s cool that you

said that it was basically the one question

[Nick McGowan]: and that your intuition

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: brought up that question to

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: be able to ask the most important

fucking question because i’m sure when you asked

[Nick McGowan]: that and you say it out loud

or at least in your head and you

[Nick McGowan]: you in jest what you had just

said and that answer comes to you it

[Nick McGowan]: probably came to you like a punch

to

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: the gut like du

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: no

[Steven Blohm]: yeah there’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah there’s

[Steven Blohm]: there was a few

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: more

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: water

[Nick McGowan]: a few

[Steven Blohm]: works

[Nick McGowan]: more water works

[Steven Blohm]: when i was

[Nick McGowan]: when

[Steven Blohm]: answering that question

[Nick McGowan]: answer

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: myself

[Nick McGowan]: question to myself

[Steven Blohm]: and when i was

[Nick McGowan]: and when

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: know

[Nick McGowan]: was you know

[Steven Blohm]: talking with my

[Nick McGowan]: talking with

[Steven Blohm]: talking

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: with my

[Nick McGowan]: talking

[Steven Blohm]: wife about

[Nick McGowan]: with my

[Steven Blohm]: it because

[Nick McGowan]: wife about it

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: know

[Nick McGowan]: she

[Steven Blohm]: i’m luckily married

[Nick McGowan]: luckily

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: married

[Steven Blohm]: an incredibly

[Nick McGowan]: to an

[Steven Blohm]: strong

[Nick McGowan]: incredibly

[Steven Blohm]: woman who

[Nick McGowan]: strong woman who

[Steven Blohm]: is not scared

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: scared too

[Steven Blohm]: say what’s on her mind

[Nick McGowan]: what’s

[Steven Blohm]: which

[Nick McGowan]: on our

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: mind which

[Steven Blohm]: absolutely

[Nick McGowan]: i absolutely

[Steven Blohm]: love and said

[Nick McGowan]: love and said

[Steven Blohm]: you need to check

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: yourself

[Nick McGowan]: need to check yourself

[Steven Blohm]: right here

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: are

[Nick McGowan]: you are

[Steven Blohm]: you’re not there

[Nick McGowan]: not there

[Steven Blohm]: something has to change

[Nick McGowan]: something has to change

[Steven Blohm]: right

[Nick McGowan]: right

[Steven Blohm]: and having

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: a partner

[Nick McGowan]: having

[Steven Blohm]: that can

[Nick McGowan]: a partner

[Steven Blohm]: hold

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: can

[Steven Blohm]: accountable

[Nick McGowan]: hold you accountable

[Steven Blohm]: whilst

[Nick McGowan]: while

[Steven Blohm]: being there every

[Nick McGowan]: being

[Steven Blohm]: step

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: of the

[Nick McGowan]: every

[Steven Blohm]: way to

[Nick McGowan]: step

[Steven Blohm]: believe

[Nick McGowan]: of the way

[Steven Blohm]: in you

[Nick McGowan]: believin

[Steven Blohm]: is it was

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: it was an incredible

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: blessing

[Nick McGowan]: an incredible blessing

[Steven Blohm]: it was

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: it

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: awesome

[Nick McGowan]: it was

[Steven Blohm]: and kind

[Nick McGowan]: awesome

[Steven Blohm]: of what i was

[Nick McGowan]: and kind

[Steven Blohm]: saying

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: about

[Nick McGowan]: what i was

[Steven Blohm]: listening

[Nick McGowan]: saying

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: your

[Nick McGowan]: listening

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: to your people

[Steven Blohm]: right like if i

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: if

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: rejected

[Nick McGowan]: if i rejected

[Steven Blohm]: that statement

[Nick McGowan]: that statement

[Steven Blohm]: and said

[Nick McGowan]: and said

[Steven Blohm]: i believe

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: in myself

[Nick McGowan]: believe in

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: myself

[Steven Blohm]: believe like

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve

[Steven Blohm]: i’ve been at this

[Nick McGowan]: i’ve

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: been

[Steven Blohm]: two

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Steven Blohm]: years

[Nick McGowan]: this for

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: two

[Steven Blohm]: it’s still

[Nick McGowan]: years

[Steven Blohm]: in the

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: same

[Nick McGowan]: it’s still

[Steven Blohm]: place

[Nick McGowan]: in the same place

[Steven Blohm]: and i

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: what is that

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: saying

[Nick McGowan]: what is that saying

[Steven Blohm]: me of a person

[Nick McGowan]: as

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: not

[Nick McGowan]: person

[Steven Blohm]: respecting

[Nick McGowan]: and not

[Steven Blohm]: somebody

[Nick McGowan]: respecting

[Steven Blohm]: around me

[Nick McGowan]: somebody around

[Steven Blohm]: you know

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: also

[Steven Blohm]: that that that was a huge

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: impact to me

[Nick McGowan]: yeah at that point you’re basically just

like no no no funk you woman

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: i and my ego were

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: going to do all things

[Steven Blohm]: yeah which

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Steven Blohm]: we

[Nick McGowan]: which we

[Steven Blohm]: you know we

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: all have

[Nick McGowan]: we

[Steven Blohm]: ego

[Nick McGowan]: all

[Steven Blohm]: problems

[Nick McGowan]: have ego

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: problems

[Steven Blohm]: again

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: like those old

[Nick McGowan]: like those

[Steven Blohm]: sayings

[Nick McGowan]: old

[Steven Blohm]: are old

[Nick McGowan]: sayings

[Steven Blohm]: sayings

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Steven Blohm]: for a

[Nick McGowan]: old

[Steven Blohm]: reason

[Nick McGowan]: sayings

[Steven Blohm]: you know

[Nick McGowan]: for reason

[Steven Blohm]: check

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: or you go at the door

[Nick McGowan]: tried

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: and true

[Steven Blohm]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: it’s so true

[Nick McGowan]: true yeah yeah but it’s so difficult

to do like

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: you’re you’re building

[Steven Blohm]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: this so that you and your family

can have a brighter future you can have

[Nick McGowan]: all these wonderful things

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: that you’ve dreamt of and you pictured

in your mind and then they’re not coming

[Nick McGowan]: to fruition and you have

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: to shift and do something different i

know that can fuck with your head so

[Nick McGowan]: let’s talk about when you got you

were like alright i’m closing this down and

[Nick McGowan]: now i have

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: to shift back into what’s next you

know

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: be it starting another company or jumping

into a project with some company but that’s

[Nick McGowan]: a different

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: shift that you go through so walk

us through how how you did that

[Steven Blohm]: yeah yeah the shift was

[Nick McGowan]: the shift

[Steven Blohm]: the shift

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: was pretty

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: difficult

[Nick McGowan]: hit was pretty difficult

[Steven Blohm]: i got

[Nick McGowan]: got

[Steven Blohm]: real lucky

[Nick McGowan]: real lucky

[Steven Blohm]: and i hate

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: to sound

[Nick McGowan]: i hate

[Steven Blohm]: cliche

[Nick McGowan]: the sound

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: clear

[Steven Blohm]: stars

[Nick McGowan]: shade

[Steven Blohm]: kind

[Nick McGowan]: at

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: stars

[Steven Blohm]: aligned

[Nick McGowan]: kind of

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: a line as

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: as

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: i was

[Steven Blohm]: closing

[Nick McGowan]: closing

[Steven Blohm]: down my

[Nick McGowan]: down

[Steven Blohm]: company

[Nick McGowan]: my company

[Steven Blohm]: to land me

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: to where

[Nick McGowan]: land

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: me

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: now

[Nick McGowan]: where i am now

[Steven Blohm]: and i do

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: want to

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: say

[Nick McGowan]: do want

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: to say that

[Steven Blohm]: it sounds

[Nick McGowan]: it sounds

[Steven Blohm]: really difficult

[Nick McGowan]: really difficult

[Steven Blohm]: and i know

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: there’s been

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: know

[Steven Blohm]: lot

[Nick McGowan]: there’s

[Steven Blohm]: of

[Nick McGowan]: been

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: a lot of like

[Steven Blohm]: man i was in a

[Nick McGowan]: an

[Steven Blohm]: low

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: spot

[Nick McGowan]: was in

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: a low

[Steven Blohm]: was in

[Nick McGowan]: spot

[Steven Blohm]: a low

[Nick McGowan]: when i

[Steven Blohm]: spot

[Nick McGowan]: was in a low spot

[Steven Blohm]: but i wouldn’t trade

[Nick McGowan]: i wouldn’t trade

[Steven Blohm]: anything

[Nick McGowan]: anything

[Steven Blohm]: about my past

[Nick McGowan]: about

[Steven Blohm]: or

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: past

[Steven Blohm]: start

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: up

[Nick McGowan]: my start

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: anything

[Nick McGowan]: for anything

[Steven Blohm]: like i would

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: not be

[Nick McGowan]: i would

[Steven Blohm]: where

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: be

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: where i am

[Steven Blohm]: at the moment

[Nick McGowan]: at the moment

[Steven Blohm]: with the organization

[Nick McGowan]: with the organization

[Steven Blohm]: that i am

[Nick McGowan]: that i am

[Steven Blohm]: if wasn’t for

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: my

[Nick McGowan]: it

[Steven Blohm]: start

[Nick McGowan]: wasn’t

[Steven Blohm]: up

[Nick McGowan]: for my start up

[Steven Blohm]: and i don’t come

[Nick McGowan]: i don’t

[Steven Blohm]: from

[Nick McGowan]: come from

[Steven Blohm]: m you know

[Nick McGowan]: you know

[Steven Blohm]: a family of

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: entrepreneurs

[Nick McGowan]: family of entrepreneurs

[Steven Blohm]: or really a

[Nick McGowan]: or

[Steven Blohm]: family

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: believes

[Nick McGowan]: family that

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: believes

[Steven Blohm]: entrepreneurship

[Nick McGowan]: in entrepreneurship

[Steven Blohm]: so being able

[Nick McGowan]: being

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: able

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: a napkin

[Nick McGowan]: have a

[Steven Blohm]: sketch

[Nick McGowan]: napkin sketch

[Steven Blohm]: take that to

[Nick McGowan]: take

[Steven Blohm]: somebody

[Nick McGowan]: that to

[Steven Blohm]: and say

[Nick McGowan]: somebody

[Steven Blohm]: hey this

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: is

[Nick McGowan]: say

[Steven Blohm]: never

[Nick McGowan]: hey

[Steven Blohm]: going

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: work

[Nick McGowan]: never going to work

[Steven Blohm]: and then being able

[Nick McGowan]: and then

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: being

[Steven Blohm]: actually

[Nick McGowan]: able to

[Steven Blohm]: raise

[Nick McGowan]: actually

[Steven Blohm]: funding

[Nick McGowan]: raise funding

[Steven Blohm]: build a team

[Nick McGowan]: build a

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: team

[Steven Blohm]: amazing

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: amazing

[Steven Blohm]: around me

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: co

[Nick McGowan]: around

[Steven Blohm]: founders

[Nick McGowan]: me co

[Steven Blohm]: meet

[Nick McGowan]: founders

[Steven Blohm]: all these amazing

[Nick McGowan]: meet all

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: these

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: amazing

[Steven Blohm]: the experience

[Nick McGowan]: people have

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: the experiences

[Steven Blohm]: i wouldn’t trade that

[Nick McGowan]: i wouldn’t

[Steven Blohm]: for anything

[Nick McGowan]: trade that for anything

[Steven Blohm]: so what that said

[Nick McGowan]: but that said

[Steven Blohm]: i did ride

[Nick McGowan]: i did

[Steven Blohm]: those

[Nick McGowan]: write

[Steven Blohm]: positives

[Nick McGowan]: those positives

[Steven Blohm]: as all this

[Nick McGowan]: as

[Steven Blohm]: negative

[Nick McGowan]: all this

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: negative

[Steven Blohm]: happening

[Nick McGowan]: was having

[Steven Blohm]: i was

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: now

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: telling myself

[Nick McGowan]: telling

[Steven Blohm]: all

[Nick McGowan]: myself

[Steven Blohm]: this was

[Nick McGowan]: all this

[Steven Blohm]: or something

[Nick McGowan]: was for something

[Steven Blohm]: like

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: what i didn’t just

[Nick McGowan]: what i

[Steven Blohm]: go

[Nick McGowan]: didn’t

[Steven Blohm]: through

[Nick McGowan]: just

[Steven Blohm]: these

[Nick McGowan]: go through

[Steven Blohm]: two

[Nick McGowan]: these

[Steven Blohm]: and a half

[Nick McGowan]: two

[Steven Blohm]: years

[Nick McGowan]: and a half years

[Steven Blohm]: of at the

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: end

[Nick McGowan]: at the end

[Steven Blohm]: you know was

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: hell

[Nick McGowan]: know hell

[Steven Blohm]: to not

[Nick McGowan]: told

[Steven Blohm]: end up

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: in a

[Nick McGowan]: end

[Steven Blohm]: better

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: spot

[Nick McGowan]: in a better

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: spot

[Steven Blohm]: yes

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: i did

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Steven Blohm]: want to

[Nick McGowan]: i did want

[Steven Blohm]: i didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: want to build

[Nick McGowan]: i did

[Steven Blohm]: something

[Nick McGowan]: want to

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: build

[Steven Blohm]: i didn’t

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Steven Blohm]: really

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: i didn’t really

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: have a

[Steven Blohm]: this grand

[Nick McGowan]: grand

[Steven Blohm]: gesture

[Nick McGowan]: gesture

[Steven Blohm]: of wanting to

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: give

[Nick McGowan]: wanting

[Steven Blohm]: my family

[Nick McGowan]: to give my

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: family this

[Steven Blohm]: you know crazy

[Nick McGowan]: crazy

[Steven Blohm]: extravagant

[Nick McGowan]: extravagant

[Steven Blohm]: life yes

[Nick McGowan]: life

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Steven Blohm]: wanted to build

[Nick McGowan]: i wanted

[Steven Blohm]: a comfortable

[Nick McGowan]: to build

[Steven Blohm]: life

[Nick McGowan]: a comfortable life

[Steven Blohm]: but i did want to

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: did

[Steven Blohm]: an

[Nick McGowan]: want

[Steven Blohm]: impact

[Nick McGowan]: to have an impact

[Steven Blohm]: in my communities

[Nick McGowan]: in my communities

[Steven Blohm]: so that’s one

[Nick McGowan]: so that’s

[Steven Blohm]: thing that

[Nick McGowan]: one

[Steven Blohm]: was

[Nick McGowan]: thing

[Steven Blohm]: really

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: hard

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: on me

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: as

[Nick McGowan]: hard

[Steven Blohm]: not being

[Nick McGowan]: on me

[Steven Blohm]: able

[Nick McGowan]: as not

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: being

[Steven Blohm]: achieve

[Nick McGowan]: able

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: goal

[Nick McGowan]: achieve that goal

[Steven Blohm]: but i really

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: wrote those

[Nick McGowan]: i really

[Steven Blohm]: positives

[Nick McGowan]: wrote those positives

[Steven Blohm]: because if you

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: go down

[Nick McGowan]: if you

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: go

[Steven Blohm]: rabbit

[Nick McGowan]: down

[Steven Blohm]: hole

[Nick McGowan]: that rabbit hole

[Steven Blohm]: it’s really hard

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: really

[Steven Blohm]: get out

[Nick McGowan]: hard to get out

[Steven Blohm]: and there were

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: there

[Steven Blohm]: lot

[Nick McGowan]: were

[Steven Blohm]: of low

[Nick McGowan]: a lot

[Steven Blohm]: points

[Nick McGowan]: of

[Steven Blohm]: for

[Nick McGowan]: low

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: points

[Steven Blohm]: when

[Nick McGowan]: for me

[Steven Blohm]: we decided

[Nick McGowan]: when we

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: decided

[Steven Blohm]: shut down

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: shut down this

[Steven Blohm]: ember of

[Nick McGowan]: december

[Steven Blohm]: two thousand

[Nick McGowan]: rip

[Steven Blohm]: twenty

[Nick McGowan]: that s

[Steven Blohm]: one

[Nick McGowan]: and twenty one

[Steven Blohm]: but i kept writing

[Nick McGowan]: i kept

[Steven Blohm]: the fact

[Nick McGowan]: writing

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: the fact

[Steven Blohm]: something

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: good

[Nick McGowan]: something good

[Steven Blohm]: will come out

[Nick McGowan]: will

[Steven Blohm]: of this

[Nick McGowan]: come out of this

[Steven Blohm]: even though it was

[Nick McGowan]: even though

[Steven Blohm]: an an

[Nick McGowan]: an

[Steven Blohm]: incredibly

[Nick McGowan]: incredibly

[Steven Blohm]: difdifficult decision

[Nick McGowan]: difficult decision and i love that you

you kind of wrap that up a bit

[Nick McGowan]: like that’s a huge take away for

anybody that goes through at a very simple

[Nick McGowan]: but any sort of pain or any

sort of length of time of some project

[Nick McGowan]: that you’re working through that’s going to

and sometimes things just fucking end sometimes

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: things end because

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: something else has to begin

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and we don’t know that until you

actually do the damn thing sometimes takes a

[Nick McGowan]: lot out of us to be able

to get to that point so i appreciate

[Nick McGowan]: that you were writing that positive at

least looking at that and being

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: aware that you know i don’t know

exactly

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: how this thing is going to end

or what’s going to happen next but at

[Nick McGowan]: least i know that there’s a purpose

[Steven Blohm]: m

[Nick McGowan]: to it that’s huge that’s

[Steven Blohm]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: even like resting on hope so for

everybody that’s listening whatever you’re going through whatever

[Nick McGowan]: craziness the job the relationship whatever the

funk it is there is hope but you

[Nick McGowan]: got to believe that there’s hope like

steve i know

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: you believe that there was hope you

were like it’s got to be something to

[Nick McGowan]: it you know do you feel like

that was something that came from how you

[Nick McGowan]: were raised or was that just like

a deep inner feeling that you just felt

[Nick McGowan]: like

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: i just know no matter what happen

i’m going to be all right

[Steven Blohm]: i don’t think it was

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: don’t think it was because

[Steven Blohm]: i was raised

[Nick McGowan]: i was raised

[Steven Blohm]: i would say maybe

[Nick McGowan]: i would say maybe

[Steven Blohm]: maybe the latter

[Nick McGowan]: maybe the latter

[Steven Blohm]: the deep inner

[Nick McGowan]: he

[Steven Blohm]: feeling

[Nick McGowan]: deep inner feeling

[Steven Blohm]: but going back to

[Nick McGowan]: going

[Steven Blohm]: being

[Nick McGowan]: back to being

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Steven Blohm]: father

[Nick McGowan]: father

[Steven Blohm]: and a husband

[Nick McGowan]: and husband

[Steven Blohm]: i just couldn’t

[Nick McGowan]: i just couldn’t

[Steven Blohm]: i couldn’t roll

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: over

[Nick McGowan]: couldn’t

[Steven Blohm]: and

[Nick McGowan]: roll

[Steven Blohm]: give

[Nick McGowan]: over

[Steven Blohm]: up

[Nick McGowan]: and give

[Steven Blohm]: even

[Nick McGowan]: up

[Steven Blohm]: though

[Nick McGowan]: even

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: though

[Steven Blohm]: wanted to

[Nick McGowan]: i wanted to

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: having hope

[Nick McGowan]: having hoped

[Steven Blohm]: that something

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: better

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Steven Blohm]: will

[Nick McGowan]: better

[Steven Blohm]: come

[Nick McGowan]: will

[Steven Blohm]: after

[Nick McGowan]: come

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: after

[Steven Blohm]: something

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: will

[Nick McGowan]: something

[Steven Blohm]: come from

[Nick McGowan]: will

[Steven Blohm]: this

[Nick McGowan]: come from

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: this

[Steven Blohm]: will be in

[Nick McGowan]: i’ll

[Steven Blohm]: better

[Nick McGowan]: be

[Steven Blohm]: spot

[Nick McGowan]: in a better

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: spot

[Steven Blohm]: six months

[Nick McGowan]: in six months

[Steven Blohm]: i had to write

[Nick McGowan]: i had

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: to write that

[Steven Blohm]: because

[Nick McGowan]: because

[Steven Blohm]: if you give up

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: give

[Nick McGowan]: give

[Steven Blohm]: up

[Nick McGowan]: up you

[Steven Blohm]: people

[Nick McGowan]: give up

[Steven Blohm]: around

[Nick McGowan]: the

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: even

[Nick McGowan]: around

[Steven Blohm]: though

[Nick McGowan]: you even though

[Steven Blohm]: he’s sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: here’s

[Steven Blohm]: you just

[Nick McGowan]: sometimes

[Steven Blohm]: might want

[Nick McGowan]: you just

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: might

[Steven Blohm]: i mean

[Nick McGowan]: want

[Steven Blohm]: there’s

[Nick McGowan]: to i

[Steven Blohm]: still

[Nick McGowan]: mean there’s

[Steven Blohm]: there’s

[Nick McGowan]: still

[Steven Blohm]: still

[Nick McGowan]: there’s

[Steven Blohm]: days

[Nick McGowan]: still days

[Steven Blohm]: i will be walking

[Nick McGowan]: i ll

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: be

[Steven Blohm]: the grocery

[Nick McGowan]: walking in

[Steven Blohm]: store

[Nick McGowan]: the grocery

[Steven Blohm]: and it

[Nick McGowan]: store

[Steven Blohm]: will

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: hit

[Nick McGowan]: it’ll

[Steven Blohm]: me in my

[Nick McGowan]: hit

[Steven Blohm]: gut

[Nick McGowan]: me in my gut

[Steven Blohm]: that i

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: was starting

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: a

[Nick McGowan]: was

[Steven Blohm]: company

[Nick McGowan]: starting a company

[Steven Blohm]: and i failed

[Nick McGowan]: and i failed

[Steven Blohm]: my invest tors

[Nick McGowan]: my invest there’s

[Steven Blohm]: and some

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: of my

[Nick McGowan]: some

[Steven Blohm]: investors

[Nick McGowan]: of my investors

[Steven Blohm]: were incredibly

[Nick McGowan]: were incredibly

[Steven Blohm]: close friends

[Nick McGowan]: close friends

[Steven Blohm]: and even

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: though

[Nick McGowan]: even though

[Steven Blohm]: that water is

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: under

[Nick McGowan]: water

[Steven Blohm]: the bridge

[Nick McGowan]: is under the bridge

[Steven Blohm]: and everything

[Nick McGowan]: and everything

[Steven Blohm]: is fine

[Nick McGowan]: is fine

[Steven Blohm]: it still haunts

[Nick McGowan]: it still

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: haunts me

[Steven Blohm]: so you

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: have

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: you

[Nick McGowan]: have

[Steven Blohm]: have to have

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: hope

[Nick McGowan]: have to

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: have hope

[Steven Blohm]: the next

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: day will

[Nick McGowan]: the next

[Steven Blohm]: be better

[Nick McGowan]: day will be better absolutely man i

always love to ask the question as we

[Nick McGowan]: get closer to the end of an

episode

[Steven Blohm]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: what’s that one piece of advice you

to give to somebody on their path towards

[Nick McGowan]: self mastery and i think some of

the best episodes

[Steven Blohm]: m m

[Nick McGowan]: answer that question before i even ask

it

[Steven Blohm]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and i think that’s kind of what

you just did but if you’d like to

[Nick McGowan]: add to it please sir go for

it

[Steven Blohm]: well i don’t want

[Nick McGowan]: well

[Steven Blohm]: to really

[Nick McGowan]: don’t

[Steven Blohm]: repeat anything that i’ve already said even

though i think having

[Nick McGowan]: think

[Steven Blohm]: i think having

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: hope

[Nick McGowan]: think having hope

[Steven Blohm]: is key and just

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: pushing

[Nick McGowan]: key and

[Steven Blohm]: forward

[Nick McGowan]: just pushing

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: forward but

[Steven Blohm]: one of the things

[Nick McGowan]: one of

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: the things that

[Steven Blohm]: i would suggest

[Nick McGowan]: i would suggest

[Steven Blohm]: and that i continue

[Nick McGowan]: that i

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: continue

[Steven Blohm]: work on

[Nick McGowan]: to work on

[Steven Blohm]: is to meet people

[Nick McGowan]: is

[Steven Blohm]: where

[Nick McGowan]: to me

[Steven Blohm]: they

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: are

[Nick McGowan]: where they are

[Steven Blohm]: so

[Nick McGowan]: right so

[Steven Blohm]: meeting people where

[Nick McGowan]: meeting

[Steven Blohm]: they

[Nick McGowan]: people

[Steven Blohm]: are

[Nick McGowan]: where

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: they

[Steven Blohm]: every

[Nick McGowan]: are

[Steven Blohm]: aspect

[Nick McGowan]: in every

[Steven Blohm]: of life

[Nick McGowan]: aspect of life

[Steven Blohm]: is probably

[Nick McGowan]: is probably

[Steven Blohm]: one of the

[Nick McGowan]: one of the

[Steven Blohm]: one of the traits

[Nick McGowan]: one of

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: the traits

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: that

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: i try

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Steven Blohm]: to do

[Nick McGowan]: i try

[Steven Blohm]: every

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: single

[Nick McGowan]: do

[Steven Blohm]: day

[Nick McGowan]: every single

[Steven Blohm]: no matter

[Nick McGowan]: day

[Steven Blohm]: who that

[Nick McGowan]: no matter

[Steven Blohm]: i’m talking

[Nick McGowan]: who that

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: i’m talking to awesome man well again

it’s been awesome to have you on the

[Nick McGowan]: show i appreciate your time tell us

where can people find you and where can

[Nick McGowan]: they connect with you

[Steven Blohm]: yeah so i’m

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: not

[Nick McGowan]: i’m not

[Steven Blohm]: an incredibly

[Nick McGowan]: an incredibly

[Steven Blohm]: active

[Nick McGowan]: active

[Steven Blohm]: social

[Nick McGowan]: social

[Steven Blohm]: media user

[Nick McGowan]: media

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: user

[Steven Blohm]: be

[Nick McGowan]: to be

[Steven Blohm]: to be quite honest

[Nick McGowan]: to be quite

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: honest

[Steven Blohm]: if you want

[Nick McGowan]: but

[Steven Blohm]: to

[Nick McGowan]: if

[Steven Blohm]: connect

[Nick McGowan]: you want

[Steven Blohm]: with me

[Nick McGowan]: to connect

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: with

[Steven Blohm]: instagram

[Nick McGowan]: me on instagram

[Steven Blohm]: it’s at blom

[Nick McGowan]: it’s

[Steven Blohm]: steven

[Nick McGowan]: a blown Steven

[Steven Blohm]: um and you can find

[Nick McGowan]: and

[Steven Blohm]: me

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Steven Blohm]: on

[Nick McGowan]: can

[Steven Blohm]: linked

[Nick McGowan]: find me

[Steven Blohm]: in

[Nick McGowan]: on linked in

[Steven Blohm]: but other than that

[Nick McGowan]: but other

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: than that

[Steven Blohm]: am

[Nick McGowan]: i

[Steven Blohm]: not

[Nick McGowan]: am

[Steven Blohm]: on any

[Nick McGowan]: not

[Steven Blohm]: other social

[Nick McGowan]: the other

[Steven Blohm]: platform

[Nick McGowan]: social platform

[Steven Blohm]: so sorry

[Nick McGowan]: so

[Steven Blohm]: to disappoint

[Nick McGowan]: sorry

[Steven Blohm]: but

[Nick McGowan]: to

[Steven Blohm]: i

[Nick McGowan]: disappoint

[Steven Blohm]: am a very

[Nick McGowan]: but i am

[Steven Blohm]: heavily

[Nick McGowan]: a very heavily

[Steven Blohm]: linked in user

[Nick McGowan]: linked in user i get that well

man i appreciate your time thank you so

[Nick McGowan]: much for being here always a pleasure

dude

[Steven Blohm]: thanks so much man