Episode summary: Alundas Havens had a really hard upbringing – from having an abusive, alcoholic, womanizer of a father, to having an abusive, alcoholic mother with a racist husband.
He struggled with self-identity with his stepfather being racist towards African-Americans and never meeting half of his dad’s side, who happened to be African-American.
Alundas would bounce around between his mom’s house and his dad’s house, trying to determine who was better to live with. As soon as he turned 18, he decided to join the Marines. The Marines were a place he felt he belonged, but when he was home, he struggled with drinking and dealing with traumas.
After his wife had a miscarriage, he started taking care of her and started shifting his mindset. And with the power of the mind, he was working on healing traumas and even created his own podcast to help others better their lives with the power of the mindset.
Guest Name & Bio: Alundas Havens is the CEO and Founder of Alpha Influence Media and The Winners Paradigm Podcast.
Throughout his life, he endured some life-changing events that changed the course of his life, whether it was overcoming trauma, abuses of all types, limiting beliefs, and transitioning from the Marine Corps.
Alundas makes it a priority to give power back to Alpha Entrepreneurs and Podcasters by asking how they got where they are and how others can increase their influence by taking action.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Hey Alundas welcome to the show man I’m so excited that you’re here [Nick McGowan]: I think we’re gonna have an awesome conversation because we kind of do similar things [Nick McGowan]: so thank you for being on the show man [Alundas Havens]: you brother and yeah it’s like like i said before off record it’s like talking [Alundas Havens]: into a mirror with the way man you were talking and hey we’re going to [Alundas Havens]: structure [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: our show and I’m like man we structure our show is the exact same way yeah it’s on a perfect yeah [Nick McGowan]: shared intelligence man shared intelligence i love that sort of stuff so hey why don’t [Nick McGowan]: you kick us off tell us one thing you do for a living and something thatost people don’t know about you that’s maybe a little odd or bizarre
[Alundas Havens]: absolutely so i actually quit my job and may and started a company with my [Alundas Havens]: men towards zac babcock and tim holloway what we do is we help alf entrerenewers [Alundas Havens]: alfapodcast we get aligned to their ideal show um guests to be able to align [Alundas Havens]: them with their exactly what they’re looking forward to articulate their message streamline that process [Alundas Havens]: you know provide the graphic those intake forms out you know make sure that they [Alundas Havens]: can dialin on their process their business and really from their focus on those net [Alundas Havens]: working relationships and that so what i do is you know we’ll find them exactly [Alundas Havens]: who resonates with them so they canfocus
[Alundas Havens]: on what they’re good at you know bring that reward back into whatever they’re looking [Alundas Havens]: for and that’s it broth and then i have a podcast called the winners paradime [Alundas Havens]: where i help people recalebrate their mindsetso they can achieve they finished a success
[Alundas Havens]: so very similar to your show aswell
[Nick McGowan]: it’s all about the mindset ladies andgentlemen so you can’t leave us hanging we
[Nick McGowan]: need to know what’s that weird thingthat bizarre thing about you
[Alundas Havens]: i’m the fifth inga turtle if ican
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: i’ll just eat pizza every day allday long if i’m cutting weight you know
[Alundas Havens]: and i’m like right now i’m supposedto
[Alundas Havens]: be losing weight i’m like oh youknow what i can get this collar pizza
[Alundas Havens]: and i can get these vegetables onit and yeah i’m that one you know
[Alundas Havens]: i just live off pizza [Nick McGowan]: enough is there a specific type ofpizza you go for
[Alundas Havens]: yeah i’m gonna piss people off ilike howaanpiza
[Nick McGowan]: uh uh man i don’t even carei might lose listeners at this point but
[Nick McGowan]: i’m right there with you there’s somethingabout hawaiian pizza now do you do any
[Nick McGowan]: halopinios on there as well [Alundas Havens]: so so kind of funny back inthe day one of my stone friends he
[Alundas Havens]: was just like i’m going to giveyou the greatest pit ever and it was
[Alundas Havens]: hollopenos pepperoni sausage and pineapple and itwas funny i was watching this man eat
[Alundas Havens]: and he takes one by and he’sturning the pizza and he’s like you get
[Alundas Havens]: met you get [Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: a little bit of salt and metyou get sweet and then you get halopenoand
[Alundas Havens]: hot and i’m like that is [Alundas Havens]: the best combination for a pizza [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: but i can’t share that with everyoneso i keep
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: it private yesan i dig that and now it’s
going to be shared with a lot of
[Nick McGowan]: people throughout the podcast world so [Alundas Havens]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: but dude i’m right there with youi think it’s so weird when people are
[Nick McGowan]: like they just hate an hawaiian pizzaand it almost seems like it’s a cultural
[Nick McGowan]: thing where they’re like no we justwant to sucking hate on it for no
[Nick McGowan]: reason but it’s such it’s a beautiful [Alundas Havens]: m [Nick McGowan]: thing i don’t want this entire showto be about hawianpiza but you brought it
[Nick McGowan]: up [Alundas Havens]: i mean [Alundas Havens]: howianpizais up there i had chicago deepdish in chicago in like
[Nick McGowan]: nice [Alundas Havens]: yeah that was insane too so [Nick McGowan]: remember the place that you went to [Alundas Havens]: no bad part [Nick McGowan]: it because there’s there’s a couple ofi think luminaltis is one of the main
[Nick McGowan]: ones that i at least like butthere’s like a couple back and forth almost
[Nick McGowan]: think like i’m from philly so whenpeople think of a philly cheese stake they’re
[Nick McGowan]: like well pats or geno’s typically it’slike something else it’s not part of that
[Alundas Havens]: i got to make my way that’sanother thing i love is philly chee stakes
[Alundas Havens]: and i haven’t been to philly sothat’s the one thing is i have somebody’s
[Alundas Havens]: from over there they’re like bro they’reto die for and i had one buddy
[Alundas Havens]: that was stationed with me in sandiego and knows this by
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Alundas Havens]: the beach and we’re in there andthen i was like making fun of him
[Alundas Havens]: kiss from delaware and i was [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: just like oh he’s from delaware he’snot even from philly
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: and then the [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: owners like i’m from delaware [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: i was like no where [Nick McGowan]: an [Alundas Havens]: i was like two of them m [Nick McGowan]: so now you brought that up i’mpotentially going to lose some other listeners i
[Nick McGowan]: hope i don’t lose the entire audienceat this point
[Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but one of the best if notthe best philly cheese stake actually
[Alundas Havens]: hm [Nick McGowan]: comes from delaware there’s [Alundas Havens]: in [Nick McGowan]: a small town [Alundas Havens]: i [Nick McGowan]: outside of delaware called claimant [Alundas Havens]: that’s what i’ve heard [Nick McGowan]: claimant stake shop is the best bestright outside of philly but most people they’re
[Nick McGowan]: like it’s in a feelie stay ifit’s not from the city like it’s a
[Nick McGowan]: whole different [Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: story whole different story i’m sure youhave ship like that where you’re at so
[Nick McGowan]: you’re in you’re in california [Alundas Havens]: yes [Nick McGowan]: there things like that where you guysare super picky about it
[Alundas Havens]: um so i’m gonna say it’s kindof weird so like i’m from frezo california
[Alundas Havens]: with the center of california and likethere’s nothing really good about it but
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: taco trucks like [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: the kintacotrucks over there are insane likei’ve never been
[Nick McGowan]: an [Alundas Havens]: to mexico but i’ve had authentic mexicanfood because i have friends family from there
[Alundas Havens]: and yeah that’s the best thing everlike any type of meat you want um
[Alundas Havens]: m three boys you know if youwant whatever like they don’t have that in
[Alundas Havens]: san diego so tha’s what i sayis like i moved to san diego and
[Alundas Havens]: i’m like what the hell they don’thave it here an then it goes somewhere
[Alundas Havens]: like [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: eight dollars of king [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: taco and then [Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: if you go towards the border ofcourse all that
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: stuff is going to be there butthat’s what i find so funny and then
[Alundas Havens]: recently i actually went up to anaheimby los angeles and over there there’s tons
[Alundas Havens]: of taco truck se i was likeyou know what the one i missed about
[Alundas Havens]: home i can drive an hour frommy house now and i can go get
[Alundas Havens]: it so that’s a new thing thati’m happy
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: about [Nick McGowan]: yeah i really hope that i hopethat food trucks really start to pick up
ore than they had before likeprecovid i
saw a lot of people
[Alundas Havens]: now [Nick McGowan]: stepping [Alundas Havens]: there [Nick McGowan]: into entrepreneur ship getting a chaco truckor
[Alundas Havens]: the [Nick McGowan]: little [Alundas Havens]: huge [Nick McGowan]: hog truck or something yeah but covidkind of killed some of that so i
[Nick McGowan]: like to think that some of it’scoming back
[Alundas Havens]: no they definitely have and that’s ayou know
y
[Alundas Havens]: well san diego is different cause it’sa torii city so that’s why there’s so
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Alundas Havens]: many and then of course by thebeach you know but at the same time
[Alundas Havens]: like drunk people that’s the greatest thingin the world is greasy
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: food you know so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: get a pet so get some tacoi’m in you know
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: good thing [Nick McGowan]: you [Alundas Havens]: i don’t [Nick McGowan]: need to [Alundas Havens]: drink [Nick McGowan]: stop [Alundas Havens]: that much [Nick McGowan]: up all that alcohol [Alundas Havens]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: oh man well so to not makethe entire episode about food because this is
[Nick McGowan]: not a food show but we’re kindof food is i guess
[Alundas Havens]: i’m getting [Nick McGowan]: it’s [Alundas Havens]: hunger [Nick McGowan]: interesting [Alundas Havens]: now [Nick McGowan]: that we yeah exactly i ate likean hour ago but i’m
[Alundas Havens]: m [Nick McGowan]: now getting tako’s i think um thatmight be in my future like in the
[Nick McGowan]: next hour hour and i have thatto kila man all right we’re
[Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: gonna have cut this short i’m goingto get something later everyone now
[Alundas Havens]: we’re taking [Nick McGowan]: so [Alundas Havens]: virtual [Nick McGowan]: let us [Alundas Havens]: shots [Nick McGowan]: want exactly well hey i got bourbonso we’re
[Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: good why don’t you give us alittle bit of context of how you actually
[Nick McGowan]: got to the point where you hadset up the company that you’ve got and
[Nick McGowan]: how you’re helping podcast people just kindof get started and kind of move through
[Nick McGowan]: and do all that but give ussome context of how you grew up and
[Nick McGowan]: like the path that got you there [Alundas Havens]: all right bo you got twenty minutesall right
[Nick McGowan]: wherever [Alundas Havens]: we got some [Nick McGowan]: you want [Alundas Havens]: time [Nick McGowan]: to start man and go [Alundas Havens]: my story is long man so ohno series
[Nick McGowan]: come on see calm your ass down [Alundas Havens]: so okay so it’s what minutes i’mgonna know to wrap it up
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: but originally for us in california inmy parents had me in eighteen twenty one
[Alundas Havens]: years old they were partiers [Alundas Havens]: my dad you know my dad isone of those greatest salesman ever and it’s
[Alundas Havens]: just like i aspired to be himlike walks in the room everybody’s like you
[Alundas Havens]: know that guy gets all the girlsdid that so growing up i had really
[Alundas Havens]: bad times formulating relationships and attaching onto people
[Alundas Havens]: because my dad had girls in andout and then it was abusive alcoholic my
[Alundas Havens]: mom similar but when i was youngeri told her she was an alcoholic my
[Alundas Havens]: dad she railed it back and thenfrom there you know she was the one
[Alundas Havens]: that took care of me but alwaysbattled between both of my parents so that
[Alundas Havens]: when i became about no probably likesix seven years old i ad a step
[Alundas Havens]: dad coming to the mix that wasraces he had these crazy as beliefs it
[Alundas Havens]: didn’t really make [Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: sense but it made me have anidentity issue because they were like oh black
[Alundas Havens]: people or get o so i kindof like that was something for me that
[Alundas Havens]: did it and then to add morecontext i never met the black side of
[Alundas Havens]: my family as well so that’s whyi even had an even bigger identity problem
[Alundas Havens]: just like my dad because of mygrandmother had an affair and yeah it was
[Alundas Havens]: like one of those where like thathappened in from there messed my dad’s life
[Alundas Havens]: up you know his step dad whichwas my grandpa who i consider grandpa took
[Alundas Havens]: care of him and and really wasthat but for him i think that’s what
[Alundas Havens]: it was so the reason why isay that is a lot of generational curses
[Alundas Havens]: for him um [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: that i had to break and shouti had to see in argument so when
[Alundas Havens]: i got older i moved with mydad because i wanted to be able to
[Alundas Havens]: have that relationship with him and iwanted to kind of have that becase he
[Alundas Havens]: was always around for sports but henever believes that one i can open up
[Alundas Havens]: to you and stuff like that [Alundas Havens]: so i moved with my dad andthen that’s where my life took a turn
[Alundas Havens]: because it was just not somewhere ishould be he ends up taking a job
[Alundas Havens]: and funny you mentioned san francisco earlierhe actually lived in oakland and he worked
[Alundas Havens]: in san francisco at zina out thereso he was out there
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Alundas Havens]: i was in fresno about two anda half three hours away and then um
[Alundas Havens]: m it just like ran into hardtimes you know as like i would go
[Alundas Havens]: to him and he had the moneyand this and that but he was like
[Alundas Havens]: oh i give you twenty bucks forchores and that was for the month and
[Alundas Havens]: i’m like man you can’t live offtwenty bus even as a kid like you
[Alundas Havens]: can’t do ship with twenty bucks [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: it was that you know and inever wanted to go to help because you’d
[Alundas Havens]: be like i’ll figure the fuck outso got to a point you know where
[Alundas Havens]: i got smart with life and ihad a lot of rich friends and like
[Alundas Havens]: grew up with those rich kids soi was just like you
[Alundas Havens]: know what i could make money [Alundas Havens]: so i traded one of my videogames one time because i need it i
[Alundas Havens]: need to get food got clothes backswitched that out because i didn’t fit me
[Alundas Havens]: went you know made a little bitof cash and then was able to get
[Alundas Havens]: food to my dad was like ohand then what happened in that new game
[Alundas Havens]: like oh yeah i don’t have thatno more i traded on my way to
[Alundas Havens]: be able to get what i neededso it was one of those like that’s
[Alundas Havens]: where that hustler mind say like mydad taught me that moved back with my
[Alundas Havens]: mom you know and kind of similarthings like she there were lower middle class
[Alundas Havens]: so it was one of those youknow might step down bumped heads so when
[Alundas Havens]: i was sixteen i would hop offmy friends couches every single day you know
[Alundas Havens]: switch houses um and to go homeevery day i do my chores i had
[Alundas Havens]: good grades so i was scared awayyou know and then i would leave because
[Alundas Havens]: i knew i didn’t want to behome so comes to eighteen
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: and getting kicked out of my housebecause my dad or my step dad excuse
[Alundas Havens]: me he wanted to just go offon his fucking radical beliefs one day and
[Alundas Havens]: then he asked me like what kindof people don’t she like and i said
[Alundas Havens]: i don’t like anybody and he saidwhy and i go because i hate everybody
[Alundas Havens]: equally so i just really don’t givelike if you want to talk
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: ship we can dish it out [Nick McGowan]: h [Alundas Havens]: and he just like oh you’re raceis biggest so yeah get kicked out of
[Alundas Havens]: the house move in with one ofmy friends and then my calls my mom
[Alundas Havens]: gets me to move back in iwanted to go military for that reason because
[Alundas Havens]: i knew that i needed to getout of my situation that there was nothing
[Alundas Havens]: good for me kind of you knowwith that you know it’s around people that
[Alundas Havens]: we’re doing bad ship not necessarily meyou know i had a cousin that was
[Alundas Havens]: shroud on math and then out withyou know people that were doing ship so
[Alundas Havens]: it was like me being smart tryingto figure out how to make money without
[Alundas Havens]: getting my hands too dirty and theni thought
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: like i need it excuse me ineed to be able to get that discipline
[Alundas Havens]: that’s goin to allow me to dowhat i want to do like yes i
[Alundas Havens]: could he win the universities but iwould have missed that opportunity away getting that
[Alundas Havens]: money for the first time like funkthis so i went to the marine core
[Alundas Havens]: from there that was a blast youknow finally found my tribe excelled became my
[Alundas Havens]: own boss nineteen twenty years old developedthe drinking problem because when i was home
[Alundas Havens]: on boot leave i thought my momwas having an affair it was a ten
[Alundas Havens]: second window so we don’t know whathappened he follows the forty five shoots of
[Alundas Havens]: forty five misses a centime from thedude’s face who was my wrestling coach so
[Alundas Havens]: it was something that i struggled withas well as all the trauma from when
[Alundas Havens]: i was younger and that was onethat i tore up the relationship with me
[Alundas Havens]: my mom and then i was givingher money he asked my extra money so
[Alundas Havens]: it as like all this crazy shipthat i never really healed you know so
[Alundas Havens]: i started fucking drinking one point intime gallon of whiskey because it was just
[Alundas Havens]: no military is little bit different they’remore social drinkers but like these moifucters just
[Alundas Havens]: kick it outside and you’re drinking fromten o’clock in the morning ten oclock at
[Alundas Havens]: night to four o’clock in the morningdon’t get me wrong we have had days
[Alundas Havens]: where it’s ten to ten the nextday um just going crazy you know i
[Alundas Havens]: mean take a cat nap and backat it
[Alundas Havens]: so did that you know kind ofwas sucking up relationships i should have never
[Alundas Havens]: got married to my wife to becompletely honest i funked it all up initially
[Alundas Havens]: i was just drinking not in theright head space you know breaking up with
[Alundas Havens]: they’re gone back to my ax andthen we had a miscarriage and that was
[Alundas Havens]: where i started taking care of herand what’s cool as i grew up with
[Alundas Havens]: my wife so we knew each otherdamn well and i was just lie you
[Alundas Havens]: know wat i can do this ican to be the man that i say
[Alundas Havens]: i’m going to be i could takecare of so from there that’s kind of
[Alundas Havens]: a first clicked so do that terall the cardalegeof my right name a second
[Alundas Havens]: year and then years when i getmarried to the wife um end up getting
[Alundas Havens]: out of the marine core because mylast three weeks went to medical and i’m
[Alundas Havens]: running back and forward trying to seeif i can get an extension they’re like
[Alundas Havens]: fucking with me and oh you canrun your physical fitness test and like i
[Alundas Havens]: haven’t ran in two years there’s noway in hell i’m running six miles so
[Alundas Havens]: get out the marine core start gettinginto sales on these roles that i thought
[Alundas Havens]: were good for me you know homeimprovement sells but it was straight commission that
[Alundas Havens]: was hard because i didn’t know thelingo i didn’t know how to do close
[Alundas Havens]: is with people that were old schoolso they’re smooth talkers they’re fast
[Alundas Havens]: i can’t went to a mortgage brokerageand that’s wher i started having more problems
[Alundas Havens]: because i was doing so much youknow working on my bachelor’s business management trying
[Alundas Havens]: to start a family getting up earlyto you go to the gym you know
[Alundas Havens]: putting in tim on course he’s onthe side listening to podcast and then was
[Alundas Havens]: working on my mortgage broker exam soi felt that three times and i was
[Alundas Havens]: just like what the funks wrong withme you know am i stupid but it
[Alundas Havens]: wasn’t that i just had too muchon my plate and i couldn’t think in
[Alundas Havens]: that process [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: before i started that job my grandfatherdied so that was part of it too
[Alundas Havens]: was it wasn’t necessarily something was wrongwith me it was just like i was
[Alundas Havens]: grieving going through that was my person [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: my dad step dad and he wasthe one who cleaned everything up you know
[Alundas Havens]: so [Alundas Havens]: up until the last year of hislife that was where me and him really
[Alundas Havens]: started getting personal on the same pagebecause he was that peaceful guy you know
[Alundas Havens]: and i would be like suck outof here like upset at him because you
[Alundas Havens]: don’t understand the pain people put methrough it wasn’t that he just believed in
[Alundas Havens]: the best in everyone so even likemy daddy
[Alundas Havens]: crazy ship [Alundas Havens]: like oh you know what all rightyou know that’s your dad and it was
[Alundas Havens]: one where like he finally understood buthe passed away and i was going crazy
[Alundas Havens]: how to figure out for myself youknow how do i become my own man
[Alundas Havens]: and then throughout that process when ifirst off the military i got in a
[Alundas Havens]: facebook group for zach bab cox underan underdog empowerment i got hold of one
[Alundas Havens]: of his guys that used to behis old president and from there you know
[Alundas Havens]: built a relationship got in the mastermind um in may i was working at
[Alundas Havens]: a job helping other veterans with theirvia claim so very rewarding it was cool
[Alundas Havens]: i was maxed out on my compensationand then i ran into a situation where
[Alundas Havens]: my nanny that we had we’re payingfourteen hundred bucks a month it was going
[Alundas Havens]: to be twenty hundred for the wholemonth we couldn’t afford it because i would
[Alundas Havens]: have spread as thin we would haveno reserves um and from there what happened
[Alundas Havens]: was i ended up quitting that jobbecause i let them know and said hey
[Alundas Havens]: here’s my corrective action plan i havemy daughter i need to be able to
[Alundas Havens]: watch her during the day because wedon’t have child care anymore so was literally
[Alundas Havens]: holding fucking baby in making sales falseand my boss comes to me comes sideways
[Alundas Havens]: is your heart still in is thisreally what you want to do so i
[Alundas Havens]: go [Alundas Havens]: back to the master mind hey zackyou know this is the ship that happened
[Alundas Havens]: with my job bro like i’m sofucking piss the other thing about that company
[Alundas Havens]: they’re cool i love that they helpveterans but they didn’t give a ship about
[Alundas Havens]: anyone’s mental health and for to do [Alundas Havens]: that veterans even more [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: you now what i mean so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: it was one of those where myboss was working fucking sixty eight hours as
[Alundas Havens]: well and he’s crying about it andhe was just like oh well you know
[Alundas Havens]: i mean it is what it ism missions got to get done so talk
[Alundas Havens]: to my team first conversation it wason core values and that’s why i was
[Alundas Havens]: like this is the room i needto be in so from there we created
[Alundas Havens]: alpha influence media helping other alpha podcastersentrepreneversion of maximiser influence and that’s where it
[Alundas Havens]: kind of off for me was beingaround those right people getting the recognition for
[Alundas Havens]: who my partner is and then reallyjust building on that like i’ve started the
[Alundas Havens]: podcast week before my daughter was bornlast year in november i started the podcast
[Alundas Havens]: because i was just like you knowall these things that happened to me how
[Alundas Havens]: i grew up how i thought youknow step that almost shooting the coach like
[Alundas Havens]: that ship brought violence again you knowand i wanted fucking come at him and
[Alundas Havens]: and it was all these things tome that i was just like i’m fucked
[Alundas Havens]: up kind of like you said youknow we have these experiences and we want
[Alundas Havens]: to be able to inspire other peopleand say hey this is what
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: you can do so for me kindof having that podcast riled in and then
[Alundas Havens]: being able to surround myself a linewith the right people definitely changed my life
[Alundas Havens]: around and it’s one of those forme i had four close friends die just
[Alundas Havens]: had one that passed away the otherday um and
an
[Alundas Havens]: it was one like and that couldhave been me you know so i’m really
[Alundas Havens]: grateful that i’ve got through those thingsand that’s why i’m really passionate about talking
[Alundas Havens]: about it it’s like i king beenthere i’ve been there you have no money
[Alundas Havens]: i’ve been here were your [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: family don’t support you enter you’ve beenrobb the money from your own family like
[Alundas Havens]: everything you can think of you knowi’m that guy that no one gives a
[Alundas Havens]: ship about like you’re like i havea couple close friends and family and my
[Alundas Havens]: family is like oh you don’t likeanybody no it’s just no one invites me
[Alundas Havens]: to functions no one cares you knowwat i mean no one takes at time
[Alundas Havens]: so that’s why it was and itwas that internal switch in my head that
[Alundas Havens]: i’m like i don’t need this i’mbetter i can just keep going but then
[Alundas Havens]: you run to that point eventually whereit’s like man you know what are my
[Alundas Havens]: relationships like so it was awesome youknow when i started the business because that’s
[Alundas Havens]: the first conversation core values and iwas able to see like man i really
[Alundas Havens]: got to harness all these things butmake sure that i’m really living that so
[Alundas Havens]: that’s my main objective now is justbuilding relationship is kind of like with you
[Alundas Havens]: brother and and really getting to knowpeople and sharing those experiences because i feel
[Alundas Havens]: like when we do that then peopleare like man you been through ship you
[Alundas Havens]: know you get it done [Nick McGowan]: h [Alundas Havens]: somebody [Alundas Havens]: thinks the way i do because iknow for a period of king time it
[Alundas Havens]: was very difficult and even when italked to my mom i didn’t know what
[Alundas Havens]: articulate it but it really came outwas like i didn’t get through all the
[Alundas Havens]: trauma and shut i needed to getto so that’s why
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: i wasn’t able to talk and whyi was shutting down and having these you
[Alundas Havens]: know outbursts and being reactive and itwasn’t
[Alundas Havens]: something was wrong with me or wasn’tthat i’m an introvert and can’t click with
[Alundas Havens]: people it’s just i’m all about energyso if you’re talking about bullshit and drinking
[Alundas Havens]: why [Alundas Havens]: i don’t really drink as much anymore [Nick McGowan]: checked [Alundas Havens]: so it’s [Nick McGowan]: out [Alundas Havens]: like [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: yeah i can do it socially buti’m not going to be there just pounding
[Alundas Havens]: beers and being that guy i usedto be you know so that’s
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: that’s a little bit about me that’swhy i put that time around brother
an how much time were
[Alundas Havens]: my [Nick McGowan]: we out now [Alundas Havens]: let [Nick McGowan]: you [Alundas Havens]: me [Nick McGowan]: got through that [Alundas Havens]: let me [Nick McGowan]: come on sir [Alundas Havens]: in this [Nick McGowan]: ah [Alundas Havens]: twelve minutes [Nick McGowan]: nice well man as you’re going throughit you’re you’re hitting on different things where
[Nick McGowan]: i’m thinking holy shit [Alundas Havens]: ye [Nick McGowan]: here’s a lot just within some ofthose pieces and you’re like nd then he
[Nick McGowan]: shot a gun that basically went rightpast his head and that funk things up
[Nick McGowan]: and then i tore my leg orsomething i’m like how the fun did we
[Nick McGowan]: get here like you’re [Alundas Havens]: that’s [Nick McGowan]: just [Alundas Havens]: why [Nick McGowan]: going [Alundas Havens]: i told [Nick McGowan]: from [Alundas Havens]: you [Nick McGowan]: bit [Alundas Havens]: it’s so [Nick McGowan]: bit [Alundas Havens]: alive [Nick McGowan]: so to everybody that’s listening you’re probablygoing to have to go back and listen
[Nick McGowan]: to at least the first twenty minutesof this to be able to
[Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: get that and then just slow itdown a bit but
[Alundas Havens]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: or the rest [Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: of this episode i want to kindof peel out some of that stuff because
[Alundas Havens]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: as you and i both know havingthese conversations and even the internal fucking conversations
[Nick McGowan]: that we have with ourselves to beable to fix ourselves and make sure that
[Nick McGowan]: we’re good [Alundas Havens]: ohost all of it stems back to
childhood trauma it’s not like something that happened
[Nick McGowan]: in your twenties or thirties [Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: that really really really fucked you upunless it was crazy traumatic because most of
[Nick McGowan]: it stemming from when you were sixor seven or when something crazy happened
[Alundas Havens]: love how [Nick McGowan]: so [Alundas Havens]: you [Nick McGowan]: let’s actually [Alundas Havens]: yeah i love how you said thatbecause i heard something yesterday and it was
[Alundas Havens]: about that it was like everything thathappens in the first seven years develops who
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: you are as a person [Nick McGowan]: yeah and it’s wild to actually reallylet that sit in like set into who
[Nick McGowan]: you are because if you really thinkabout it person you are now at the
[Nick McGowan]: core of who you are was createdback then and if you get to the
[Nick McGowan]: problems the bullshit that you’re still workingon you’re still going through
[Alundas Havens]: ah [Nick McGowan]: i’m not even talking about the thingsyou’re talking to your friends master mind group
[Nick McGowan]: about but even the stuff that ispart of your secret life that you go
[Nick McGowan]: through probably all comes from that childhoodtrauma right
[Alundas Havens]: absolutely so when i really looked atit and that’s why i said you know
[Alundas Havens]: i should never got married i was [Alundas Havens]: being a dick head you know wati mean like i was in back to
[Alundas Havens]: my ass and drinking [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: and parting because when i party ibecome the coolest dude in the room you
[Alundas Havens]: know what i mean i’ll become iactually said this on facebook today i said
[Alundas Havens]: i tried to be i turned into king hoogan and maco man
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: i’m like oh yeah brother [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: get that whole thing going so everybodyis like oh we fucking
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: love this guy and i’m that guyi mean so it was like
[Alundas Havens]: why did i get that way whydid that
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: because maybe my dad [Nick McGowan]: how [Alundas Havens]: has [Nick McGowan]: did [Alundas Havens]: that [Nick McGowan]: that form [Alundas Havens]: and that’s exactly and it’s [Nick McGowan]: yep [Alundas Havens]: the generational cures you know like fuckedup ship happened to them so we went
[Alundas Havens]: down and that my mom you knowon the other hand daddy’s girl so he
[Alundas Havens]: gave her what she wanted she actedaway so she needs power over people and
[Alundas Havens]: it’s it’s one of those where it’slike where’s the accountability come from and for
[Alundas Havens]: me [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: two big things you know like theycan’t and be accountable so to this day
[Alundas Havens]: i don’t have relationships with my parentslike that because they can’t hold themselves accountable
[Alundas Havens]: and really stick to it and beabout this they’re saying they’re going to do
[Alundas Havens]: i catch them lying they don’t wantto do it they want to point the
[Alundas Havens]: sucking finger the they don’t they wantto cross the boundaries so like earlier i
[Alundas Havens]: told you i was talking about therapistand it was one of those and i’m
[Alundas Havens]: like some people don’t you set boundariesand they just keep violating them and then
[Alundas Havens]: were the problem when we have awhen we say enough is enough you know
[Alundas Havens]: so [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: i was that it was you knowas a young kid my dad used t
[Alundas Havens]: be the ship out of me whenhe was drunk and fucking look at him
[Alundas Havens]: i knew so i was smart youknow good thing right i was able to
[Alundas Havens]: be observant i’m overly observing [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: i can look at situations know howto survive bad thing that’s also bad because
[Alundas Havens]: i over judge overrate situations if idon’t know definitely with people you know what
[Alundas Havens]: i mean is i picked shitingshit [Nick McGowan]: sure [Alundas Havens]: up so it’s like that and thenthe environment that i grew up in with
[Alundas Havens]: like walking down the street looking atsomebody crazy now you guys are fighting it
[Alundas Havens]: kind of [Alundas Havens]: like when i met certain people [Alundas Havens]: it was like what the fuck thisdude say to me and it’s just like
[Alundas Havens]: tonality you know so it’s funny it’slike
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: me and my partner tim we’re talkingabout that he’s like you have a tonality
[Alundas Havens]: problem but you were in the militaryand were successful and i said yes the
[Alundas Havens]: difference is when it’s somebody of higherstature i know not to talk back to
[Alundas Havens]: him but if it’s someone lower i’lljump all over you know and i’m like
[Alundas Havens]: that [Nick McGowan]: h [Alundas Havens]: was my problem as a leaderm
[Alundas Havens]: so it was [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: identifying those things like you said likeall of that ship as a child came
[Alundas Havens]: out when i got married why becausei really don’t care about family you know
[Alundas Havens]: what i mean i didn’t have thatyou know i care about my immediate family
[Alundas Havens]: and doing everything i can but ilook at your values relationships what you’re doing
[Alundas Havens]: if you’re talking ship about other peopleall the
[Alundas Havens]: time that i want nothing to dowith you or if you’re just like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: oh watching that flakes or oh talkingabout bullshit all the time i can’t associate
[Alundas Havens]: in in click my brain doesn’t workthat way so it’s one of those things
[Alundas Havens]: where [Alundas Havens]: i had to identify with myself [Alundas Havens]: like why am i such an asshold of people probably because they just want
[Alundas Havens]: to drink and they just want tobullshit instead of having the conversations like me
[Alundas Havens]: you are which is completely different becausein this case like i could have a
[Alundas Havens]: drink and then you could socialize andhave a good time versus like other
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: times were just like getting hammered youknow
[Nick McGowan]: yeah that’s a [Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: it’s an interesting point because i think [Alundas Havens]: h [Nick McGowan]: i think as you get older andyou realize i have to change the people
[Nick McGowan]: that am around because they’re changing whoi am and how i act around other
[Nick McGowan]: people um when you start to stepout of those circles and you get a
[Nick McGowan]: little older it can be really weirdto go back to those circles
[Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: and even if you’re just viewing thecircles you’re like i don’t want to be
[Nick McGowan]: any part of this i also findit super strange because i do this and
[Nick McGowan]: i’m just being raw where you justinstantly judge
[Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: and then you got to be ableto pull yourself back and be like who
[Nick McGowan]: the fuck am i to judge butstill have that balance where you don’t just
[Nick McGowan]: fall head first back into that sortof stuff so how do you still love
[Nick McGowan]: on those people love on them froma distance without judging and what sort of
[Nick McGowan]: advice would you give somebody that thereare other people that are like us that
[Nick McGowan]: go through that ship where they’re likei don’t want to be part of that
[Nick McGowan]: but i also don’t want to tellthem all to go fuck off in i
[Alundas Havens]: i love that uh yeah i usedto do that i tell people to go
[Alundas Havens]: eat a dick that i realize [Nick McGowan]: or [Alundas Havens]: i [Nick McGowan]: a whole [Alundas Havens]: can’t [Nick McGowan]: bag [Alundas Havens]: just [Nick McGowan]: whatever you want [Alundas Havens]: yeah i can’t be just telling ofthat yeah honestly what i grew and and
[Alundas Havens]: this is something i learned young oneof my friends to seep on his fucking
[Alundas Havens]: couch all the time and when istarted you know getting into som development and
[Alundas Havens]: working on myself and i got inthe military is like you changed you don’t
[Alundas Havens]: like this and that and it’s likeand i just outgrew the shell like i
[Alundas Havens]: see everybody doing the [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: same ship for the past twenty yearswhy the would i want to repeat that
[Alundas Havens]: you know what i mean why whyam i crying about a fucking money problem
[Alundas Havens]: when it’s my lazy ass that doesn’twant to put in the work afterward
[Alundas Havens]: and ship like that there is [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: no money problems you know like honestlythe really if you’re not at a position
[Alundas Havens]: where you’re you know not able toif you’re able to work or that’s that’s
[Alundas Havens]: an excuse and [Nick McGowan]: it’s [Alundas Havens]: that’s not an excuse but that’s adisability
[Nick McGowan]: it’s [Alundas Havens]: and [Nick McGowan]: different [Alundas Havens]: that’s why you know but if youphysically can fucking work and get your eyes
[Alundas Havens]: out there you know that’s the wayi perceive it so mean my friends you
[Alundas Havens]: know stopped being cool and i wasjust like you know that at this time
[Alundas Havens]: we’re not aligning and we’re not onthat same page so i’m no longer going
[Alundas Havens]: to be pressing my energy towards youand working on that like i love you
[Alundas Havens]: from a distance but that’s you know [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: some people get fucked but i wastedso much energy doing that you know so
[Alundas Havens]: now i’m just [Nick McGowan]: sure [Alundas Havens]: like man we’re not seeing how toeye and that it’s no i i don’t
[Alundas Havens]: like you it’s just like man igot my own ship i got a daughter
[Alundas Havens]: now you know wat i mean everything [Alundas Havens]: i do she’s gonna grow up andwatch because i’ve seen ship you know what
[Alundas Havens]: i mean so it’s like if ican’t be that if i can’t do that
[Alundas Havens]: like one of the things and itreally brought perspective to me is like i’m
[Alundas Havens]: in a master mind and it’s aboutbeing a better father and better husband and
[Alundas Havens]: everybody talks about like a couple ofguys in the he don’t have fathers so
[Alundas Havens]: they say like i wish as akid like my father be there at the
[Alundas Havens]: games like i was i was theopposite my dad was ching my ass out
[Alundas Havens]: your fucking ship you fucking suck wakethe fuck up and it was just like
[Alundas Havens]: i hated him for that you knowi mean he drove me to hate
[Alundas Havens]: sports so it’s like i understand thatso obviously i’m not gonna do that to
[Alundas Havens]: my kids and i know how itis like when when your parents say oh
[Alundas Havens]: i’m gonna stop drinking and then youcatch them with the beer nd they’re like
[Alundas Havens]: oh that’s one beer and one beerturned in the next ten years and like
[Alundas Havens]: i’ve been there you know wat imean so that’s why i say like you’ve
[Alundas Havens]: really got to be cognizant of whoyou have around you but again you know
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: like that quote says like you’re theson of the the best five people around
[Alundas Havens]: you it’s absolutely [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: because if you’re around funk ups oryou’re around people that aren’t doing what you
[Alundas Havens]: want to do it’s not going tobring
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: you anything but when you take thatand you get around the right people or
[Alundas Havens]: you know in my case like andi know you can speak for it too
[Alundas Havens]: interviewing six figure seven figured entrepreneurs likethey
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: care about relationships they care about whatwe’re talking about and healing the ship we’re
[Alundas Havens]: talking about because that’s way more volumethan learning business because you can always learn
[Alundas Havens]: business you can scale your business youcan make however much money you want but
[Alundas Havens]: it’s never going to solve those problemsmean you are having if we never heal
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: them and that’s one of those thati was like man you know spoke to
[Alundas Havens]: me because it’s like yeah you knowi was doing the same ship my parents
[Alundas Havens]: were doing and i was complaining [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: about it and it’s like fucking changeyou know so i made it a priority
[Alundas Havens]: to change i made it a priorityyou know to be the man i say
[Alundas Havens]: i am [Nick McGowan]: that’s a big time man and theaccountability on your on your own is huge
[Nick McGowan]: but you also touched on the awarenesslike if
[Alundas Havens]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: you’re not aware of the problems thenhow the fuck are you supposed to do
[Nick McGowan]: anything about any of the problems becauseyou’re unaware of it so if you think
[Nick McGowan]: of you being aware of it andthen starting to actually make those changes i
[Nick McGowan]: want to call out the audience becausei know that there are people that listen
[Nick McGowan]: to the show that are actively goingthrough that that are in that kind of
e morphysis phase in a sense where
they’re growing into that next level and not
[Nick McGowan]: to say like this is a tirsystemsort of thing but you and i
[Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: both know that you go through differentlevels of growth different awakenings where you’re like
[Nick McGowan]: holy the world just opened up andnow i’m doing these things that initial wake
[Nick McGowan]: up when you start to look atthe friends group and the people that are
[Nick McGowan]: part of your five and you startto shift them out that can be tough
[Nick McGowan]: for those people i know it was [Alundas Havens]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: for me being in that spot wherethey’re like fun you you think you’re better
[Nick McGowan]: than me it’s like no i don’tknow what to think
[Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: i’m just trying not to just drinkmy face off constantly or just
[Alundas Havens]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: live here and do this thing butbeing in those spots be difficult for those
[Nick McGowan]: people so to look back at whatyou had done as you went through that
[Nick McGowan]: what sort of advice would you givesomebody that’s actively in that space right now
[Alundas Havens]: so i’m going to do to i’mgoin to give you a example that happened
[Alundas Havens]: to me and that gave a perspectiveand then i’m going to say it so
[Alundas Havens]: say in that case you know lookat it and look at what the person
[Alundas Havens]: is doing and i know you mentionedjudge mental now everybody judges you’re always going
[Alundas Havens]: a judge you judge off actions youjudge off whatever and that’s what i’m le
[Alundas Havens]: about so the example i was ondeployment out in coat one of my fucking
[Alundas Havens]: dumb funk friends and this is whyi stopped kicking with him he’s the one
[Alundas Havens]: i told you he’s from delaware [Nick McGowan]: it [Alundas Havens]: this [Nick McGowan]: was [Alundas Havens]: guy [Nick McGowan]: delawarians [Alundas Havens]: love [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: him to death just fucking idiot rightthe reason why i say that is he
[Alundas Havens]: says the dumbest ship and like ifyou were to get in trouble he points
[Alundas Havens]: the fucking finger and in that youknow so he doesn’t make weight right so
[Alundas Havens]: that is a problem that is ahim problem because i didn’t fucking make him
[Alundas Havens]: eat that fucking philly’s cheese steak orwhatever the fuck ate when he went home
[Alundas Havens]: you know and [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: and why why because he always talked [Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: about how great that is in [Nick McGowan]: that is a staple area [Alundas Havens]: yeah so he would say that butso this guy doesn’t make weight so we’re
[Alundas Havens]: in the smoke pit one day becausemy boss was smoking a cigarette then she’s
[Alundas Havens]: like hey press get over here andthe first thing this dude goes is havens
[Alundas Havens]: is fat i’m just like man withthe fuck you know and being hurt she
[Alundas Havens]: pulls me inside after why are youfriends with that guy i’m like oh because
[Alundas Havens]: we’re cool and like we’re the samerank and she’s like there’s no fucking reason
[Alundas Havens]: in any world that you should becool with him he’s like he just pointed
[Alundas Havens]: the finger at you in that andshe and what he didn’t know as i
[Alundas Havens]: lost twenty five pounds when i gotout there because i went on a six
[Alundas Havens]: week fucking drinking avenge every single daybefore the playment and it was very fun
[Alundas Havens]: but it was not fun losing theweight in the heat out there and
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: just fucking happen to thick sweat andsucking
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: hate it that’s one thing [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: i hate about alcohol is just [Nick McGowan]: uh [Alundas Havens]: like the thick sweats you know whati mean ah when it comes out
[Nick McGowan]: what a gross thing you’re totally rightbut what a gross thing where
[Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you’re like it [Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: feels sappy this isn’t right [Alundas Havens]: yeah and then he took a showerand you still feel like ship you still
[Alundas Havens]: are sweatin so [Alundas Havens]: um yeah [Alundas Havens]: that brouht perspective to [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: me because it really showed life anddon’t get me wrong
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: ahead some friends like that back homeand so forth and i have one one
[Alundas Havens]: dude that like i lived on hiscouch and i can do anything for him
[Alundas Havens]: and it’s still to that to thisday because he makes it a priority to
[Alundas Havens]: check up on me and i makethe same thing for him when we had
[Alundas Havens]: a mess and she was there youknow when we had birthday party he has
[Alundas Havens]: there he has a daughter too that’slike four years old in mind so we
[Alundas Havens]: make it a priority you know soit’s really separating that but you got to
[Alundas Havens]: look at what people are doing andit’s like if they’re drinking all the time
[Alundas Havens]: if they’re saying that you know ifthey’re sayin the’re going to be good or
[Alundas Havens]: you know maybe they’re like oh i’mgoin to settle down and then they’re out
[Alundas Havens]: here hooking up with everybody and thenthey’re giving you bad relationship advice or in
[Alundas Havens]: my case like going to divorce peopleasking for marriage advice like i don’t know
[Alundas Havens]: what the fuck i was thinking forthat now it sounds so foolish you know
[Alundas Havens]: but i thought maybe if their shipsnot going right they’re going to give me
[Alundas Havens]: good solutions to fix mine yeah thatwas wrong you know so it’s really
[Alundas Havens]: jug and and and that’s wat you’redoing you know you have to gage it
[Alundas Havens]: and you have to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: see where the rat and you haveto see you know like i’m over here
[Alundas Havens]: writing a paper and somebody’s callin meif i kin square for reading a book
[Alundas Havens]: on my off time and it’s justlike man hard my energy i’m working my
[Alundas Havens]: ass off to make this happen makingmy dreams happen so yes you know i
[Alundas Havens]: am a square i’m not going toget out any more i’m doing this but
[Alundas Havens]: then you’re looking at your friends you’relike all they’re doing is party and in
[Alundas Havens]: the biting about their situation probably shouldbe round them but then when you get
[Alundas Havens]: around the right people it’s going tobe weird initially because there they’re strangers and
[Alundas Havens]: you get into know him but atthe same time
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: it’s awesome because you guys are ableto create that value and then you’re able
[Alundas Havens]: to be like man i’m not fuckingcrazy i just wasn’t wrong and the wrong
[Alundas Havens]: people and you’re able [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: to share those stories and i’m ableto share my story and people like man
[Alundas Havens]: that resonates i’ve ben through ship likethat and i’m like you’ve been like my
[Alundas Havens]: whole life i in talk to peopleand they’ve my family has made me feel
[Alundas Havens]: crazy about it and they’ve ben likeoh you need fucking there so i went
[Alundas Havens]: a year’s a therapy and it’s likei still can’t you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: be able to talk to certain peopleabout things because they don’t
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: understand it so it’s like when youget around those right people it’s going to
[Alundas Havens]: feel weird blight just keep doing whatyou got to do because again you know
[Alundas Havens]: you’re not working on those old peopleand not that you know it’s kind o
[Alundas Havens]: like the people perfect example i wastalking to a seven figure millionaire yesterday tony
[Alundas Havens]: wadley and he said he’s like doyou ever post pictures of you being at
[Alundas Havens]: the gym and putting in work iwas like no he’s like you should and
[Alundas Havens]: i was like why he goes becauseyou’re trying to tap into and motivate those
[Alundas Havens]: people who need it he’s like thosepeople that don’t you can like tell them
[Alundas Havens]: suck off you know what i meanand if they want to be like oh
[Alundas Havens]: you’re a dish bag you post atthe gym probably ease they’re asking in the
[Alundas Havens]: gym and i’m like damn that’s [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: really good you know and it’s [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: absolutely true because about it when youstarted your your career and you started sales
[Alundas Havens]: and you started um your podcast peopleprobably were like why are you doing that
[Alundas Havens]: man like what the files up atthe podcast oh that’s cool you know start
[Alundas Havens]: laughing because everybody is doing it podcast now and you’re just like yeah but
[Alundas Havens]: you’re not extracting that growth you’re notgetting better is what they don’t see you
[Alundas Havens]: actually doing and what you’re passionate aboutand i feel like that’s why you know
[Alundas Havens]: a lot of things are gate kickingand ship people don’t break out of it
[Alundas Havens]: or [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: my grandfather died i got a fuckingrolling stones tattoo and i had a panic
[Alundas Havens]: attack verse i had it because iknew somebody was gonna say some races ship
[Alundas Havens]: and i was at the mortgage brokerageand the stud was like oh i guess
[Alundas Havens]: he’s like you [Alundas Havens]: got a rolling on that too andi yeah i’m actual gonna do a band
[Alundas Havens]: sleep right here and he’s like ohi guess black people don’t black folk don’t
[Alundas Havens]: like you ha i was just likeyeah like i was pissed you know what
[Alundas Havens]: me because i knew someone would saysome like that and i’m like actually
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: they do i was like when mygrandfather died and he took care of me
[Alundas Havens]: and he’s actually italian guy so that’swhat kind of what’s funny you know what
[Alundas Havens]: i mean and i was like yeahdifferent colors but that’s it and i was
[Alundas Havens]: like but what you don’t know islike if you want to go fucking hip
[Alundas Havens]: hop or wrap artist i can goany single genera and talk about you i
[Alundas Havens]: can talk about how i love fuckinganything from back to run d m c
[Alundas Havens]: all that ship in w and theni could talk about new things and i
[Alundas Havens]: could talk about how i’m a fuckingmetal head and that’s why i’m good with
[Alundas Havens]: people because i can talk about alot of ship in music
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: besides country i don’t like that sothat’s why i was just like
[Nick McGowan]: you [Alundas Havens]: telling [Nick McGowan]: and me [Alundas Havens]: me to [Nick McGowan]: both [Alundas Havens]: doan
[Alundas Havens]: you know yeah so it’s like adding [Alundas Havens]: perspective is like not everybody’s for youand it’s realizing that instead of being reactive
[Alundas Havens]: and wanting to fight with them likei would have it was a big step
[Alundas Havens]: for [Alundas Havens]: me to be like just funk thisguy he doesn’t mean anything he’s not holding
[Alundas Havens]: any real estate in my head i’mgonna fucking make
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: it happen [Nick McGowan]: so let’s take a little bit ofa step outside of that right in some
[Nick McGowan]: ways i’m a little jealous right nowof the audience because they get to listen
[Nick McGowan]: to this and be that third personhearing me hearing you and going back and
[Nick McGowan]: forth and they can think of thingsoutside of us but if we look from
[Nick McGowan]: their perspective or even a little furtherfrom that and be able to look at
[Nick McGowan]: what happened those people that are typicallyshitty people have chitty things going on because
[Nick McGowan]: they’re making those shitty decisions granted [Alundas Havens]: absolutely [Nick McGowan]: we all make terrible decisions at timesand some of that just how you learn
[Nick McGowan]: you grow there certain p that willmake decisions over and over and over and
[Nick McGowan]: they don’t understand why things aren’t changingwhich is basically the definition of insanity but
[Nick McGowan]: then they’ll try [Alundas Havens]: to [Nick McGowan]: to pull other people down but ifwe take that look from the outside perspective
[Nick McGowan]: and look at the people any sortof fuel you give them or any sort
[Nick McGowan]: of attention you give them it’s almostjust a waste of your time but can
[Nick McGowan]: be a big ego push so haveyou found that there are times where your
[Nick McGowan]: ego is kind of swelling out whereyou’re like funk this guy i want to
[Nick McGowan]: tell them five different ways to gofucking or whatever but that’s really not you
[Nick McGowan]: it’s an ego thing so how doyou pull that back without sucking tearing the
[Nick McGowan]: guy’s head off or playing his bullshitgame that you really just don’t need to
[Nick McGowan]: play [Alundas Havens]: now it’s funny and i would haveanswered this and been like oh you go
[Alundas Havens]: this or that and now i gotbetter perspective my my mentor a business partner
[Alundas Havens]: he just drop episode yesterday talking aboutryan holliday’s book how ego is the enemy
[Alundas Havens]: ego is not the enemy and iwas like what you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: why [Alundas Havens]: ego is good no excuse me let’sgo the bad first so yeah three times
[Alundas Havens]: you want to say fuck off rightbut at her same
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: time you’re no better than them ifyou were to ell them to suck off
[Alundas Havens]: why [Nick McGowan]: yep [Alundas Havens]: they’re getting a reaction out of youm perfect example i worked my liking ass
[Alundas Havens]: off to be the best dad ican be worked my ass off so i
[Alundas Havens]: don’t want to fight people but mydad says some ship and i want to
[Alundas Havens]: fight them all the [Alundas Havens]: time and that’s something i want [Alundas Havens]: to do why because he kicked myass and now he
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: kicked my ass but i can ican fight back you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: so it’s like all those you knowwhat we drew knives on each other in
[Alundas Havens]: christmas time one year like he wantedto fuck with me and i was just
[Alundas Havens]: like i’m not the one to besucked with it was one of those everybody’s
[Alundas Havens]: like oh my you changed i’m likeno i just grew the fuck up like
[Alundas Havens]: i will dive behind what i standfor you know and and i mean that
[Alundas Havens]: literally so it’s one of those youknow wat i mean you got to do
[Alundas Havens]: it e goes good because it [Alundas Havens]: keeps us alive and we’re able toknow
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: it and egos good when we gotto hustle and we got to make sure
[Alundas Havens]: happen for ourselves and when we realizethat we got some fun and problems we
[Alundas Havens]: got to work on that’s your egoyou know what i mean your egos to
[Alundas Havens]: one push in you to be likea man you got to get those reps
[Alundas Havens]: in and you got to k anddo this um your cells guy as well
[Alundas Havens]: nick so it’s like i got tomake these phone calls even though don’t want
[Alundas Havens]: to do that’s your ego pushing youbecause you know how bad as you are
[Alundas Havens]: you know what you’ve been through toget there you know what i mean so
[Alundas Havens]: it’s like i would say [Alundas Havens]: the biggest portion [Alundas Havens]: is just not giving [Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: those people what they want because likeyou say they’re goin to drag you
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: down and they got they got theirown ship they need to figure out and
[Alundas Havens]: i say like even i step dadlike i wanted revenge you know what mean
[Alundas Havens]: i wanted him to feel the paini did my brother and sister got woken
[Alundas Havens]: up by the squat team and itwas like i wanted him to feel it
[Alundas Havens]: you know what i mean i waswalking by when he got a rested that
[Alundas Havens]: night and he was just like yeahthat guy’s mexikin i didn’t know if he
[Alundas Havens]: had a gun saying race is andi turned in the cop grabbed me you
[Alundas Havens]: know what i mean and was likelet’s go and i just wanted to suck
[Alundas Havens]: him up you know and it waslike that’s ego you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: but [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: harnessing it in is realizing that hebro the ship you got and on you
[Alundas Havens]: need fucking help you know i meanso
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: if it’s god if it’s whatever [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: you believe in yeah like you gotship there’s worse ship in your life then
[Alundas Havens]: obviously in my life because i don’twant to go out here shooting things and
[Alundas Havens]: even if my wife were chet ibe like pete you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: i’m [Nick McGowan]: oh [Alundas Havens]: not going to react that way becausei know that’s not
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: what i want in that you knowat i mean so it’s one of those
[Alundas Havens]: like we can say like i don’tget this or i don’t how people think
[Alundas Havens]: this beside um i don’t get howpeople like fucking medium well stakes like that’s
[Alundas Havens]: not it well well done you knowi mean i don’t get those people but
[Nick McGowan]: that’s a whole different story those people [Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: that already killed the thing that hasbeen killed that should be bloody on your
[Nick McGowan]: plate why are [Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you re killing it [Alundas Havens]: yeah i don’t i don’t get thosepeople but when we’re talking about you know
[Alundas Havens]: m filtering in and just not givingpeople the power
[Nick McGowan]: h [Alundas Havens]: over us and like that’s [Nick McGowan]: h [Alundas Havens]: fucking huge [Alundas Havens]: and i’ve seen [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: mike tyson quote i’ll end it withthat mike tyson talked about that and they
[Alundas Havens]: were like um was talking about likeviolence and he’s really against violence now because
[Alundas Havens]: of how he grew up and whateverand he was just like yeah because i
[Alundas Havens]: think it was lavionbell who was talkingto him somebody was talking to him and
[Alundas Havens]: they were just like yeah if somebodycrosses me i say fuck you and that’s
[Alundas Havens]: it i want nothing to do withyou you’re cut off and i used to
[Alundas Havens]: people have to you know wat imean and mike tyson responding was like well
[Alundas Havens]: then you’re changing yourself for that personthat person is changing you you’re never going
[Alundas Havens]: to be the same [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: because every single time you’re going toreact differently and no matter how much work
[Alundas Havens]: you put in you reacted different youlet them win and he’s like they own
[Alundas Havens]: you and i was like fuck dudelike
[Alundas Havens]: that is true i’m getting [Alundas Havens]: pissed [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: with these people and i’m getting pissedlike they don’t respect me i demand respect
[Alundas Havens]: how the fun do you get respect [Nick McGowan]: the funk [Alundas Havens]: you gotta [Nick McGowan]: hairs [Alundas Havens]: you gotta [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: give it you know what i meanyou got
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: to show it if i’m over heredoing that ship and then you knew to
[Alundas Havens]: live a good life how re yougoin to live a good life if you
[Alundas Havens]: can’t even own your ship and handlepeople accordingly you know what i mean so
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: now i don’t even do that i’mlike bro piece you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: don’t get me wrong there’s those timeswhere i still get upset but that’s what
m
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: oh sorry about that bro my fuckinggoogle s all messed up it timed out
[Nick McGowan]: no worries um [Alundas Havens]: uh yeah so so that’s why iwas
[Alundas Havens]: following up with the ego and insaying that you know that’s why we get
[Alundas Havens]: reactive on things through this emotional contextbehind it that we’re trying to feel but
[Alundas Havens]: essentially we’re not when we’re not beingourselves and not doing what need you got
[Alundas Havens]: to doakes sense i find it interesting how
we can look at things differently from different
[Nick McGowan]: perspectives and i’ve always kind of likedlooking at things from a third party because
[Nick McGowan]: i know i can see it frommy side i could potentially see it from
[Nick McGowan]: your side but what the funk doesthis look like from the outside
[Alundas Havens]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: and how can i sit in thatspot and be able
[Alundas Havens]: oh [Nick McGowan]: to look at that so even whenwe look at ego or really
[Alundas Havens]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: anything there’s so many different layers andlevels and different surfaces even insides to it
[Nick McGowan]: that somebody can look at it fromone angle and it can be a little
[Nick McGowan]: different i think it’s really how weuse it what we do with it any
[Nick McGowan]: and all things are for the mostpart a tool for us to be able
[Nick McGowan]: to use but we got to findthat balance and
[Alundas Havens]: love [Nick McGowan]: it sounds [Alundas Havens]: that [Nick McGowan]: like you’ve found some of that balanceas you’ve gone through and i’m sure there
[Nick McGowan]: are moments where you you’ve been likeyou know what dude fuck you and funk
[Nick McGowan]: everybody else a blahbabla and then youpull back and you’re like that was probably
[Nick McGowan]: not the best way to go aboutthat but then you learn from the next
[Nick McGowan]: for the next i rience being ableto kind of go from there so we’ve
[Nick McGowan]: gone through a lot of stuff onthis show man and i appreciate you being
[Nick McGowan]: on and walking through all of thiswhat sort of advice would you give somebody
[Nick McGowan]: that’s on their path towards self mastery [Alundas Havens]: m gonna say core values and i’mgoing to give an
[Alundas Havens]: example on the core value so forme first two cor values i have is
[Alundas Havens]: true to self and self reflection ikeep those separate for one reason true to
[Alundas Havens]: self you’ve got to be at peacewith what you’re doing and who you’re becoming
[Alundas Havens]: so for me that’s the fucking lookingthrough the mirror and the self reflection parts
[Alundas Havens]: the journal ing and it’s sucking writingit on a piece of paper and it’s
[Alundas Havens]: having the conversation s like me andyou are have that outlet and realizing you
[Alundas Havens]: know it’s okay it to not beokay it’s okay to be upset it’s
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: process emotion it’s okay for that youknow it’s okay that maybe you thought some
[Alundas Havens]: way or like for example you knowa lot of people they have anxiety they
[Alundas Havens]: have depression but then their parents don’tbelieve that ship because they didn’t they didn’t
[Alundas Havens]: exist when their parents are younger soit’s like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: their parents don’t mean to argue withthem they just don’t understand that you know
[Alundas Havens]: what i mean so you got tofigure out some way to convey that message
[Alundas Havens]: but that was something i went throughas well where i’m like i feel depressed
[Alundas Havens]: you know why do i feel depressedi don’t know you know what i mean
[Alundas Havens]: and then it was real like allthese things were bothering me the relationships then
[Alundas Havens]: not getting respect like that so holdingto your core values figure out what’s important
[Alundas Havens]: to you so for me it’s trueto self self reflection transparency holding yourself accountable
[Alundas Havens]: adaptability learning and application um and iuse those every single day you know i
[Alundas Havens]: hold myself to that standard i lookat it and i make sure that i’m
[Alundas Havens]: transparent with it so i’m going onthis podcast and i’m telling you what and
[Alundas Havens]: that’s why i like transparency to andmake it a factor was like yeah i
[Alundas Havens]: could i can i [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: can put those first three into oneat the same time it’s like no i
[Alundas Havens]: make sure it’s a step because ineed to
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: be able to convey that message ineed to be able to tell you hey
[Alundas Havens]: you got to adapt sometimes you gotto do it on the fly or like
[Alundas Havens]: we’re talking about friends it’s adapting youknow i mean it’s learning to be comfortable
[Alundas Havens]: when you’re not comfortable learning from [Nick McGowan]: hm [Alundas Havens]: the new environment you just learned somethingcase now we got to apply it you
[Alundas Havens]: know i mean we got to putthis evidence in we got to put some
[Alundas Havens]: more funking research and we got tomake sure that if we read a book
[Alundas Havens]: you know you take the one thingtake the one thing from this podcast that’s
[Alundas Havens]: going to help you get to whereyou want to be
[Nick McGowan]: absolutely that’s great stuff man so againi appreciate you being on the show where
[Nick McGowan]: can people find the company where canthey find the podcast tell us your links
[Alundas Havens]: absolutely brother so i’ll send you thelink for my landing page if they want
[Alundas Havens]: a book at call um and beable
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: to get connected so we can getthem aligned with the right shows then my
[Alundas Havens]: podcast it’s easy now it’s the winnersparadine dot com so you can go on
[Alundas Havens]: there you can see my blog thati post you can be able to listen
[Alundas Havens]: to podcasts look at our guast i’mgoing to have you on as well because
[Alundas Havens]: i love to int you you knowwe had a great conversation so good and
[Alundas Havens]: bad bad thing you know you signedup for we’re on na hae a couple
[Alundas Havens]: of episodes together a good job brother [Nick McGowan]: i’m in man [Alundas Havens]: but yeah [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Alundas Havens]: man you just hit me up theresocial media is the winners paradime and yeah
[Alundas Havens]: i really just like diving in onthis or on facebook i dive in every
[Alundas Havens]: single day in these things and talkabout mind set and and kind of where
[Alundas Havens]: i’m at you know in the journeyso people they’re not alone they can overcome
[Alundas Havens]: their ship they just got to doa little bit of work
[Nick McGowan]: that’s awesome man and all those linkswill be in the show notes everybody so
[Nick McGowan]: feel free to check those subscribe andgo check out his show as well and
[Nick McGowan]: at some point there will be anotherconversation with he and i on that show
[Nick McGowan]: and probably back on this one soagain in london it’s been awesome to have
[Nick McGowan]: you on man i appreciate it and [Alundas Havens]: say to [Nick McGowan]: i’ll [Alundas Havens]: brother [Nick McGowan]: talk to you soon [Alundas Havens]: to you brother