Episode summary: Kyle Lynch was always feeling lost and confused, about what we are, who we are, why we are here, and those deeper thoughts.
He sought out counseling and his therapist recommended an MDMA-guided, therapeutic session. Kyle researched MDMA and agreed, even though he had never done drugs before.
His session felt great and it opened up his heart and mind. He knows now it’s okay to feel vulnerable.
That was just the beginning of Kyle’s healing and spiritual journey. What changed his life the most was his out-of-body experience.
Guest Name & Bio: Author, painter, metaphysical product creator (labels), and fellow human. Kyle began a different way of viewing our existence here on earth after his first out-of-body experience.
His new understanding gave him the courage to go back to school in his early 30’s to receive a bachelor’s degree in psychology and a master’s degree in mental health counseling. He loves yoga, paddle boarding, fantasy sports, and his corgi Cooper.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Kyle welcome to the show manhow you doing
[Kyle Lynch]: i mean that’s a load of questionwe’ll get into it
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Kyle Lynch]: honestly i have a little [Nick McGowan]: uh [Kyle Lynch]: bit of anxiety but thanks for havingme this is awesome ready to dive into
[Kyle Lynch]: this awesome conversation [Nick McGowan]: yeah man i’m excited to have youon while we were talking a little bit
[Nick McGowan]: about the anxiety four and there arecertain certain people that all hop on to
[Nick McGowan]: a conversation like this and they justhave a rough time with it at first
[Nick McGowan]: and then they get comfortable with itand other people that are just comfortable being
[Nick McGowan]: on comfortable but part of the reasonwhy you’re on the show is to be
[Nick McGowan]: able to talk about stuff like thatyou know to be able to go through
[Nick McGowan]: your mind set and really what youdo in your your coaching and all that
[Nick McGowan]: sort of stuff so hey i don’twant to step on your toes and why
[Nick McGowan]: don’t you tell us what do youdo for living and what’s one thing that
[Nick McGowan]: most people don’t know about you that’smaybe a little odd or bizarre
[Kyle Lynch]: all right so i’m actually in betweencareers right now and this is part of
[Kyle Lynch]: my my path originally i went [Nick McGowan]: h [Kyle Lynch]: to school for audio [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: engineering and i’ve been working [Nick McGowan]: nice [Kyle Lynch]: at a public rat o station fora long time and it’s kind of like
[Kyle Lynch]: at this point it’s very mundane forme it’s very robotic and
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: at some point in my life likei need to do something else and my
[Kyle Lynch]: journey led me to mental health counselingand there’s whole story behind that to which
[Kyle Lynch]: we could get into so right nowworking in a private practice as a mental
[Kyle Lynch]: health councillor and still working at theradio station help pay some bills s interesting
[Kyle Lynch]: kind of two different fields completely buti
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Kyle Lynch]: tell people that the correlation is ihave to listen to a lot of things
[Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah definitely makes sense what’s thatone thing that most people don’t know about
[Nick McGowan]: you [Kyle Lynch]: um m well this is fairly newand when i don’t feel comfortable with something
[Kyle Lynch]: myself with the knowledge of it orthe experience of it i don’t tell anyone
[Kyle Lynch]: about it but i’m starting to getinto tantra which is like it made for
[Kyle Lynch]: me it seems like a weird thingbecause it’s like a different me coming out
[Kyle Lynch]: where [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: it’s like acknowledging like oh i wantto explore this but it’s just like it’s
[Kyle Lynch]: a feels like an completely different meum m so i haven’t really i haven’t
[Kyle Lynch]: told anyone about that except for oneperson who i asked advice about like what
[Kyle Lynch]: should i read what should i like [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: the path in it it’s [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: haven’t [Nick McGowan]: typically a researcher [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: like one [Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: of [Kyle Lynch]: start [Nick McGowan]: those people [Kyle Lynch]: everything [Nick McGowan]: that was just research [Kyle Lynch]: reading i want to make [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: sure that my my mental plane alignedwith the experience before i jump in because
[Kyle Lynch]: i don’t want to be [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: like oh yeah i just want todo a tontroit’slike why like what is it
[Kyle Lynch]: about [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: it that you want to do itso like i’m just gonna learn about it
[Kyle Lynch]: so i read some osho books andabout the spirit the rooted spiritual aspects of
[Kyle Lynch]: it because i want [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: to take things seriously [Nick McGowan]: that’s great to be able to [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: look at it from as close tothe core as you can
[Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: i know some people just with anythingwill get get hitched on to some sort
[Nick McGowan]: of fad or whatever is exciting forthem and then they get rid of it
[Nick McGowan]: a couple o months later because itit wasn’t something they actually sunk their teeth
[Nick McGowan]: into [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: are you kind [Kyle Lynch]: it’s [Nick McGowan]: of [Kyle Lynch]: interesting [Nick McGowan]: sinking [Kyle Lynch]: that [Nick McGowan]: your [Kyle Lynch]: you [Nick McGowan]: teeth [Kyle Lynch]: mentioned [Nick McGowan]: into [Kyle Lynch]: core um [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: because i’ll say one more thing thati really haven’t told anyone my therapist recommended
[Kyle Lynch]: me to someone that she met ata meditation retreat to do m d m
[Kyle Lynch]: guided therapy and [Nick McGowan]: nice [Kyle Lynch]: m d m m it’s it’s aheart opener and growing up
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: i was never i never did drugslike i was pretty much a mamma’s boy
[Kyle Lynch]: very goody tissues but then there’s thispart of me that wants to explore things
[Kyle Lynch]: in a responsible way and so thatexperience was amazing um which
[Nick McGowan]: wow [Kyle Lynch]: made me wonder if that’s what iwant do as a councillor
[Nick McGowan]: i mean on one hand to beable to say why give people drugs and
[Nick McGowan]: they experience immense joy and we figurethings out from there such a cool way
[Nick McGowan]: to be able to look at itwhere in ten years ago fifteen years ago
[Nick McGowan]: do you make anything close to thatmolly you know that sort of stuff remember
[Nick McGowan]: there’s stuff going around like oh itputs holes in your brain and you don’t
[Nick McGowan]: want to be the zombi because youdid and you know whatever now it’s coming
[Nick McGowan]: out along with mushrooms and stuff likethat where people are using it in a
[Nick McGowan]: different way to be able to betherapeutic how many times have you done that
[Kyle Lynch]: just once if it [Nick McGowan]: what sort of dosage did they giveyou
[Kyle Lynch]: i don’t know the exact dosage butit was very i did so much research
[Kyle Lynch]: before i did it i wasn’t justlike oh yeah i’m goin to do this
[Nick McGowan]: m yeah [Kyle Lynch]: so the guy [Nick McGowan]: plop [Kyle Lynch]: was awesome he gave me all [Nick McGowan]: okay [Kyle Lynch]: the information i needed this was maybelike six years ago i want to say
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Kyle Lynch]: it gave me like all vitamins beforeit m oh the setting was super nice
[Kyle Lynch]: as comfortable went to his house inupstate new york he told me to bring
[Kyle Lynch]: pictures of people who were important tome family members so
[Nick McGowan]: it’s cool [Kyle Lynch]: yeah definitely opens up your heart [Nick McGowan]: what would you say was the biggestthing you learned from that
[Kyle Lynch]: m m m [Kyle Lynch]: that it’s okay to be vulnerable asi feel like i told that guy some
[Kyle Lynch]: crazy stuff about myself that i didn’tfeel like i would ever tell anyone
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: um m when your heart is openand you feel relaxed it’s like all right
[Kyle Lynch]: i feel like i could talk aboutthis stuff and m it’s tougher without the
[Kyle Lynch]: heart opener as then we start well [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: i start to feel like the anxietyof things i feel the vibrations
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: in my body which has a physiologicaleffect on it um m there are so
[Kyle Lynch]: many benefits of being vulnerable not justfor oneself but for other people because
[Nick McGowan]: time [Kyle Lynch]: yeah i see someone else be vulnerableit’s just like i don’t fully understand how
[Kyle Lynch]: tough it is for them but irespect it so much because oh now it’s
[Kyle Lynch]: got to be tough um [Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: m then we feel i feel lighterwhen someone else is horble
[Nick McGowan]: what do you [Kyle Lynch]: m [Nick McGowan]: think that is [Kyle Lynch]: i believe it’s unseen energies affect us [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: so i feel like it’s kind oflike might be a terrible example but someone
[Kyle Lynch]: yawns and then you yawn or someone’slaughing
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: it’s like it’s contagious and it’s it’s [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: it’s like empathy it’s like picking upother people’s stuff
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: and if someone feels lighter for releasingstuff and we can feel lighter an i
[Kyle Lynch]: don’t know exactly what’s going on behindthe scenes but that’s just what i believe
[Kyle Lynch]: just the energies that are getting kindof exchange between between everyone
[Nick McGowan]: it’s a good way to look [Kyle Lynch]: m [Nick McGowan]: at it do you think you couldfeel that also through social media when somebody’s
[Nick McGowan]: expressing something or the opposite side ofthat of somebody’s being you know basically a
[Nick McGowan]: bolt faced liar about something [Kyle Lynch]: right i mean i’d never say noto anything being possible yeah i feel like
[Kyle Lynch]: it’s more difficult for me it ismore difficult to pick up energies the web
[Kyle Lynch]: that’s not to [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: say it’s not possible because i believeanything is freak possible i believe we could
[Kyle Lynch]: start to think about someone who isin a completely different country someone that we
[Kyle Lynch]: know and we could tap into theirfeelings and i feel like a
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: we believe in something strongly than thatstarts to manifest into our reality no matter
[Kyle Lynch]: what it is that’s going on forus internally what we believe i believe that
[Kyle Lynch]: the universe unfolds external experience to matchwhat’s going on internally and if we fully
[Kyle Lynch]: believe something internally we just have towatch it kind of play out
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: now as you’re kind of transitioning fromradio station into more of what you want
[Nick McGowan]: to do how do you how doyou kind of guide yourself through that with
[Nick McGowan]: what you were just saying [Kyle Lynch]: oh i think it’s kind how doi guide myself it’s still a challenge i
[Kyle Lynch]: mean it’s always a challenge [Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: for me it’s a challenge to sayyes this is what i want and i’m
[Kyle Lynch]: going to go for it um myeah i feel like we have to have
[Kyle Lynch]: more experiences with what we want likethe mental health field like i went into
[Kyle Lynch]: it because it i have a friendwho is in the mental health field and
[Kyle Lynch]: i spoke to her about my outerbody experiences and i was trying to figure
[Kyle Lynch]: out a way how i could bringmy outer body experience and this new way
[Kyle Lynch]: of thinking about reality into a lifewhere professional life where it’s like all right
[Kyle Lynch]: i need a job i need tolive in this physical
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: world need to make some money buthow can i put this towards something that
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: how can i put this out ofbody experience in this knowledge towards a field
[Kyle Lynch]: that fits and so i spoke withmy friend who is a mental health councillor
[Kyle Lynch]: and she has like all the sameinterests that i do and so many of
[Kyle Lynch]: the same beliefs mike all right icould see myself doing that and this might
[Kyle Lynch]: be were but just like imagining myselfas an old man like
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: hopefully i get to be an oldman and if i do get there just
[Kyle Lynch]: like i just see myself at likea meditation retreat being this old dude like
[Kyle Lynch]: some place tropical because i can’t seemyself at a radio station as an old
[Kyle Lynch]: man that seems depressing not that thatit’s a bad job just for me it
[Kyle Lynch]: doesn’t fit so and there was apart of me with the social kind of
[Kyle Lynch]: expectations and the social pressure of ineed to get a degree like i got
[Kyle Lynch]: to keep on moving so it’s likei had to go back to school to
[Kyle Lynch]: go bachelors and psychology and master isa mental health counseling and i’m like i’m
[Kyle Lynch]: already in so much student loans likethis seems crazy but after my outer body
[Kyle Lynch]: experience i felt like that released alot of energy of fear around things
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: where it’s like yes i still gotlike anxious i fear about things because that
[Kyle Lynch]: out of body experience happened ten yearsago i want to say maybe a little
[Kyle Lynch]: longer but it created a mindset withinme that were more than just these bodies
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: so we can take risks in life [Nick McGowan]: time so tell us a bit moreabout the the out of body experience how
[Nick McGowan]: did that come about what did thatlook like and what did you
[Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: experience afterwards [Kyle Lynch]: i just got chills just like thinkingabout it that’s what happened during it so
[Kyle Lynch]: this is what i believe well i’llstart in the beginning so it’s having an
[Kyle Lynch]: existential crisis trying to figure out mypath in life what do i want to
[Kyle Lynch]: do for work like what is thisthat we live in who am i and
[Kyle Lynch]: i just like look in the mirrorand i’m like who like what is this
[Kyle Lynch]: who my like i went even verylogical and practical with the question of all
[Kyle Lynch]: right if i chop off my armthen i’m still me so i’m not an
[Kyle Lynch]: arm i even wrote a book [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: that i didn’t publish but it helpedme kind of discover a more spiritual way
[Kyle Lynch]: of being so i dissected like allthe physical parts of ourselves like one by
[Kyle Lynch]: one it’s like art if i gota heart transplant i’m still me so i’m
[Kyle Lynch]: not a heart [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: and even like all of our socialidentities it’s like all right i call myself
[Kyle Lynch]: Kyle Lynch but i could legally change myname so anything that’s like a label in
[Kyle Lynch]: our mind that’s not me either soit’s like i’ve figured out all these s
[Kyle Lynch]: that we are not [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: and during this time like i wascrying like it’s like two weeks straight just
[Kyle Lynch]: like letting it out just being solost and confused and during this time i
[Kyle Lynch]: decided to start like reading about meditationand the brain um m so i learned
[Kyle Lynch]: about meditating while in dream state soit’s to be in dream yoga and that’s
[Kyle Lynch]: supposed to be like a super profoundexperience to be able to meditate while you’re
[Kyle Lynch]: dreaming so you’re aware that you’re dreaminglike i’m going to meditate so during this
[Kyle Lynch]: two weeks span of just like ballingmy eyes out and feeling completely lost started
[Kyle Lynch]: like i feel like my questions ofwho was i was answered by having the
[Kyle Lynch]: outer body experience um so i wasfalling asleep one night in my bed and
[Kyle Lynch]: i felt this presence on top ofme like it felt like some sort of
[Kyle Lynch]: demon like i was in a hypnogogicstate of falling asleep and waking up and
[Kyle Lynch]: during this state i thought about whati read about meditating while dreaming like all
[Kyle Lynch]: right [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: i have this in the back ofmy mind i’m aware that i’m in the
[Kyle Lynch]: hypnogogic state i feel this energy presenceon me and it feels like it’s sucking
[Kyle Lynch]: energy out of me but rather thanlike in freaked out i just stayed m
[Kyle Lynch]: and while i was staying com andmeditate in that state i started to hear
[Kyle Lynch]: like loud washing sound and i startedto hear vibrations and field vibrations and then
[Kyle Lynch]: just popped out of my body andi felt myself floating around the ceiling of
[Kyle Lynch]: my room and all i could seei saw my body and i saw like
[Kyle Lynch]: a red laser bouncing around everywhere andonly after i came back to my body
[Kyle Lynch]: did i realize it was the redl d on my t v when the
[Kyle Lynch]: t v is off it has redlight and so
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: that was like the only light inmy room at the time but while i
[Kyle Lynch]: was out of my body i heardthose voices like the super deep voice m
[Kyle Lynch]: and it said that i was animportant leader and i was wondering if this
[Kyle Lynch]: was my in my past life hewas referring to and i was aware of
[Kyle Lynch]: the experience i was having and iasked myself in my mind like do i
[Kyle Lynch]: want to meditate while in this stateor do i want to figure out who
[Kyle Lynch]: this being is that i’m hearing soi just i’m like i’m not going down
[Kyle Lynch]: to rabbit hole any further because thisis my first experience of being out of
[Kyle Lynch]: my body so i’m not going tomeditate so i ask the being i try
[Kyle Lynch]: to ask who are you and wheni try to ask that i think my
[Kyle Lynch]: mind thought of my physical mouth likephysically speaking and so that’s
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: when i fell back into my bodybecause i feel like my mind got attached
[Kyle Lynch]: to my body again with the ideaof speak i
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: and then i had chills i freakedout like turned on all the way like
[Kyle Lynch]: what the hell was that [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: and [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: the next day i looked up allthe symptoms of like the vibration the swishing
[Kyle Lynch]: sound found so many people like ohyeah it’s ashe projecting i’m like that’s freaking
[Kyle Lynch]: real like [Nick McGowan]: and now you know [Kyle Lynch]: that’s real and so then after thatlike my mind set about so many things
[Kyle Lynch]: in life changed completely oh [Nick McGowan]: m before we go any further withthat i want to point out that you
[Nick McGowan]: said before that you were goody twoshoes and you hadn’t done any drugs because
[Nick McGowan]: go to assume that a lot ofthe audience has at least tested out some
[Nick McGowan]: drugs over the course of [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: high school or something like that andeven with some of the wildest ship that
[Nick McGowan]: you try or just pump a bunchof things
[Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: into your system when you younger youdon’t typically get to that sort of experience
[Nick McGowan]: there are times where you can tripand you can feel things and feel like
[Nick McGowan]: you’re outside of yourself sort of butthe astral projection is a completely different thing
[Nick McGowan]: i don’t think i’ve ever actually experiencedthat i’ve experienced more of the i’m real
[Nick McGowan]: fucked up and tripping and i seethings outside of me
[Kyle Lynch]: okay [Nick McGowan]: but never the [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: actual astral projection so i couldn’t ican’t understand exactly what that feels like from
[Nick McGowan]: your perspective but i can understand thethought of like holy ship this is real
[Kyle Lynch]: yep [Nick McGowan]: this is what can happen so inthat moment the next day when you’re reading
[Nick McGowan]: through this is what actually happened whatstarted to shift in your mind at that
[Nick McGowan]: point [Kyle Lynch]: oh um m i think it gaveme more questions it actually it excited
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: me too because i felt like ihad a passionate direction to go in something
[Kyle Lynch]: that like was firm i don’t knowif that’s the right word but something that
[Kyle Lynch]: i was so sure about because iexperienced
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: it and it wasn’t a mundane experiencewhere i feel like i would judge my
[Kyle Lynch]: life and other people’s lives of notquestioning reality and we’re just like going through
[Kyle Lynch]: emotions so this was exciting for methat this was completely due to me and
[Kyle Lynch]: it seems like it’s completely new toevery one that’s in my life so it
[Kyle Lynch]: is like more exciting and interesting butagain like it helped me release fear and
[Kyle Lynch]: helped me take risks [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: but i also didn’t know what todo with this information that i have like
[Kyle Lynch]: all right [Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: alreaght i’m not my body what thehell do i do with this information and
[Nick McGowan]: and [Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: now [Kyle Lynch]: still [Nick McGowan]: what [Kyle Lynch]: don’t fully know other then let’s exploreit try to have fun with it
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: and i the ability to do thati started to own it a little bit
[Kyle Lynch]: more just because since i was ableto tell myself that this is real i
[Kyle Lynch]: had to ex and now we canimprove on it so i started to learn
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: the skills of more lucid dreaming becausewe’re able
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: to get out of our bodies throughlois dreaming as well
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: i took a couple of courses onational projecting but i feel like we do
[Kyle Lynch]: have to be in some sort oflike open state and i feel like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: i was having my existential breakdown andcrying all the time like i was just
[Kyle Lynch]: like open and like releasing so muchstuff that i feel like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: i was able to leave my bodymore where it’s like now i feel like
[Kyle Lynch]: i put more crap inside of meum
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: with certain mind sets and beliefs thati
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: feel more weighed down inside so it’smore difficult to even have the ash projecting
[Kyle Lynch]: experiences [Nick McGowan]: a good point [Kyle Lynch]: but just having that awareness it’s likeall right what do we have to release
[Kyle Lynch]: now to be able to have moreof these experiences
[Nick McGowan]: and that awareness is key [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: get into this often but if you’renot aware you can’t know what the fun
[Nick McGowan]: to do next because you’re not awareof the thing that’s happening or what’s in
[Nick McGowan]: front of you so even when youbecame aware of the astro projecting and then
[Nick McGowan]: for you to take that next stepand go okay cool but what do i
[Nick McGowan]: do with this how do i dosomething with it and being able to start
[Nick McGowan]: working on that what sort of what’sthe water down version that you can give
[Nick McGowan]: of like some sort of things thatyou can do to be able to get
[Nick McGowan]: yourself into a lucid state and tobe able to actually step into your dream
[Nick McGowan]: and walk around a bit [Kyle Lynch]: yah um practice learning the skills ifeel like we haven’t had an experience yet
[Kyle Lynch]: and i don’t mean to speak foreveryone i’m just speaking for myself and just
[Kyle Lynch]: i feel like for humans if wehaven’t had experience yet it’s hard to believe
[Kyle Lynch]: that it could happen and if [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: we don’t believe it then we’re blockingourselves right away so even if
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: we’re practicing the techniques to leave ourbody if we still have that in our
[Kyle Lynch]: mind of this is this real likei’m doing the steps i’m
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: trying to practice but we have thatwall that we create so to get rid
[Kyle Lynch]: of that wall [Kyle Lynch]: for me i think i was justhaving that emotional release of crying all the
[Kyle Lynch]: time wanting answers so it’s like ifeel like i sent that out to the
[Kyle Lynch]: universe like i really need answers forsome things
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: right now and i feel like thatwas given to me
[Nick McGowan]: gotta so with a wit [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: with that you said that was aboutten years ago right
[Kyle Lynch]: yeah i’m terrible dates and time butyeah i think
[Nick McGowan]: whatever [Kyle Lynch]: it’s about [Nick McGowan]: it [Kyle Lynch]: ten [Nick McGowan]: was [Kyle Lynch]: years [Nick McGowan]: a chunk [Kyle Lynch]: ago [Nick McGowan]: of time ago yeah it [Kyle Lynch]: it was a shock [Nick McGowan]: you [Kyle Lynch]: of [Nick McGowan]: don’t [Kyle Lynch]: time [Nick McGowan]: have to give like it was septembernineteenth of whatever but knowing that it was
[Nick McGowan]: about ten years ago and here youare in your transition into what you’re what
[Nick McGowan]: you’re doing and kind of going fromthe radio station deeper into the mental health
[Nick McGowan]: stuff but what did that look likeactually stepping into going back to school specifically
[Nick McGowan]: for mental health and just diving deepinto that what did that transition look like
[Kyle Lynch]: that was a tough transition but itwas exciting at the same time and actually
[Kyle Lynch]: my outer body experience was probably morelike six or seven years ago now that
[Kyle Lynch]: i’m doing the map on my headbecause to go into a university setting with
[Kyle Lynch]: this spiritual mind set um m likethis is going to be tough to not
[Kyle Lynch]: like want to talk about this stuffbut i know
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: like certain universities are gonna be likewhat the hell you’re talking about like we
[Nick McGowan]: yes [Kyle Lynch]: can’t measure this um m i hadto fulfill that other means by talking to
[Kyle Lynch]: other like mystics and people who would [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: understand this ah but i’ve i wasreally focused on doing well in school because
[Kyle Lynch]: i felt like i found a pathfor myself um
[Nick McGowan]: true [Kyle Lynch]: so i was determined during this timewhen i went back from a bachelors in
[Kyle Lynch]: psychology i still dabbled i had myfirst experience with a waska um m i
[Kyle Lynch]: i dont know f you want meget into the ioaskexperience
[Nick McGowan]: please do yeah yeah that’s a thingthat most people won’t touch because i think
[Nick McGowan]: it freaks them out like the processand how much ship comes out of it
[Nick McGowan]: and i think there’s a deep fearwith some people where they’re like i don’t
[Nick McGowan]: want to fix my problems because they’vebeen part of me for so long so
[Nick McGowan]: i always appreciate hearing from somebody that’sgone path and did it please
[Kyle Lynch]: yeh [Nick McGowan]: dive in [Kyle Lynch]: and i because i have a friendwho went to peru and he became a
[Kyle Lynch]: shaman and then he [Nick McGowan]: oh [Kyle Lynch]: was living in brooklyn at the timeit’s like hey i’ll do a ceremony in
[Kyle Lynch]: my apartment i like all right likei feel comfortable with you because
[Nick McGowan]: that’s [Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: cool [Kyle Lynch]: wasn’t about to like go on thislike big retreat some place far away
[Nick McGowan]: go [Kyle Lynch]: like [Nick McGowan]: to [Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: peru [Kyle Lynch]: was in school yeah and so ihad the whole ceremony
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Kyle Lynch]: and i had to do like acrazy diet
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: for a long time like very blandand i’m just like i’m doing this because
[Kyle Lynch]: i feel like oh this will befun i’ll be interesting like i want have
[Kyle Lynch]: different experiences to kind of understand myselfbetter to understand a reality like now that
[Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: have this mind of from my outerbody experience i’m like i’m open to like
[Kyle Lynch]: so many different experiences and so myexperience with waska wasn’t like super intense because
[Kyle Lynch]: i set the intention i don’t wantthis to be super intense like just show
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: me what i need to show whati need to see and i haven’t had
[Kyle Lynch]: any like visions like you had whatyou talked about my experience with owasco was
[Kyle Lynch]: i’d be talking to myself and i’dput myself in a hypothetical situation and not
[Kyle Lynch]: to say this is what would doin this situation and if i was lying
[Kyle Lynch]: to myself then that’s when i wouldfeel like i’d throw up so
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Kyle Lynch]: that’s what i got from the experienceof just like i lie to myself a
[Kyle Lynch]: lot and [Nick McGowan]: oh [Kyle Lynch]: we got to get rid of thati didn’t
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: have any visions and then like buti knew this already i’m like all right
[Kyle Lynch]: yeah i lied to myself about alot of things but yeah i ask just
[Kyle Lynch]: showed me a different way [Nick McGowan]: sure especially if you if you ifyou start to gag and almost throw up
[Nick McGowan]: when you’re lying like imagine if thathappened in real life even if you were
[Nick McGowan]: just to lie about something stupid likedid you move
[Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: that [Kyle Lynch]: should [Nick McGowan]: thing no [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: sorry yes i moved it i’m sorryjes
[Kyle Lynch]: h [Nick McGowan]: like if that was just like agag reflex
[Kyle Lynch]: h [Nick McGowan]: you know [Kyle Lynch]: it’s like [Nick McGowan]: so [Kyle Lynch]: what’s it stand from south park wheneveryou saw wendy pia seen
[Nick McGowan]: yet [Kyle Lynch]: south park [Nick McGowan]: fly [Kyle Lynch]: side that would be funny though [Nick McGowan]: uh yeah well at least that didn’thappen you know like that wasn’t
[Kyle Lynch]: i threw [Nick McGowan]: a thing [Kyle Lynch]: up [Nick McGowan]: that stuck with you well i’m sayingit didn’t stick
[Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: with you like not every time [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: you’re about to make like a littlewhite lie or something you just bombed all
[Nick McGowan]: over people um [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but that’s a that’s an interesting thingwhere it starts like it’s a physiological thing
[Nick McGowan]: it pushes on you like you’re [Kyle Lynch]: yep [Nick McGowan]: you’re lying and it starts to constrictyou so do you know feel that as
[Nick McGowan]: you kind of move through life afterthat experience
[Kyle Lynch]: oh yeah i always i mean iknow what i lie about in my life
[Kyle Lynch]: whether it’s myself or someone else andi feel like
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: i’m more sensitive than i have beenin the hath passed on emotional and energetic
[Kyle Lynch]: level because i took [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: on a vegetarian diet doing all themental health work and just like really focusing
[Kyle Lynch]: on what my inner world is ifeel
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: because made me very sensitive um mso if i feel like there’s something in
[Kyle Lynch]: my life that i’m not dealing withlike i feel the weight of it sure
[Kyle Lynch]: all humans do like they feel oncertain parts of their body whether
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: it’s a chest or yeah but theyounger men would be able to just be
[Kyle Lynch]: like a brush off to the sidelike whatever
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: but now i feel like i’m moreconscious about what’s what’s going on for me
[Kyle Lynch]: inwardly and this idea [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: of like looking inside [Kyle Lynch]: i had a psychic friend i forgethow the conversation went but she told me
[Kyle Lynch]: to look inside and this is thefirst time i’m just like what does that
[Kyle Lynch]: even mean like what does that meanto look inside
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: like what my guts like what the [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: hell [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: does that to look inside and ithink asking that question having the curiosity and
[Kyle Lynch]: intention universe shows [Nick McGowan]: yep [Kyle Lynch]: you what it is [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: so i feel like our intention andwhat we want to explore have to be
[Kyle Lynch]: mindful of because [Nick McGowan]: big time yeah [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: that’s a great way to think aboutit too especially if a silly thing like
[Nick McGowan]: i think of somebody being like heygo into the cabinet and grab the salt
[Nick McGowan]: and pepper like fucking i don’t wantto do that and you get up an
[Nick McGowan]: you’re like i don’t see it it’snot in here like whatever i just i
[Nick McGowan]: don’t know and they walk up andjust right past you and just grab it
[Nick McGowan]: right in front of you like itwas right there right front of you you
[Nick McGowan]: just didn’t want to see it lotof people will and to look at things
[Nick McGowan]: where they don’t want to see [Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: things and just kind of push themoff but as you start to stretch that
[Nick McGowan]: muscle the awareness muscle specially [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you start to become deeper and deeperand you feel the responsibility
[Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: right like to be ble [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: to do something with it because it’sthere you’re like well
[Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: i can’t just completely push you thefunk off so why don’t i do something
[Nick McGowan]: about it so what does that looklike with all the schooling that you’ve done
[Nick McGowan]: getting deeper into mental health now lookingback at that what does that look like
[Nick McGowan]: for you to be able to actuallyset some of what you’ve learned into your
[Nick McGowan]: day to make sure that your mentalhealth is that at least the best shape
[Nick McGowan]: that it can be each day [Kyle Lynch]: yeah i have a like in’t knowif love hate relationship with mental health is
[Kyle Lynch]: the right thing because there’s a partof me that’s just like all right mental
[Kyle Lynch]: health if we put our energy andfocus on it then we’re going to get
[Kyle Lynch]: more of that so if we sayoh we have mental health issues like if
[Kyle Lynch]: we focus on that [Nick McGowan]: get [Kyle Lynch]: then [Nick McGowan]: more [Kyle Lynch]: we’re going to get more of thatso it’s like i have
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: that belief to a certain extent likethe law of attraction in a way
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: yeah yeah yeah but then i alsoappreciate the idea of like helping someone if
[Kyle Lynch]: they’re going through stuff um [Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: m so my relationship mental health isit’s tough because it’s it’s all we want
[Kyle Lynch]: to get out of the head sowe want to get in our bodies because
[Kyle Lynch]: i see a lot of lot ofmy clients like everyone stays in their head
[Kyle Lynch]: because we don’t even know what thatmeans to be in certain parts of our
[Kyle Lynch]: body and i [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: feel like i’m still kind of learningthat as well and i think it’s just
[Kyle Lynch]: about [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: putting awareness in certain it’s for abody and just speaking sea
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: comes out so it’s like i’ll feelinto my stomach right now and see what
[Kyle Lynch]: comes out fail into my heart right [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: now and we’ll see what comes outum it’s like different parts of our being
[Kyle Lynch]: speaking [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: but i try to do all thenormal things you you’d hear it’s like i
[Kyle Lynch]: try to go and nature i doyoga breathing exercises
[Kyle Lynch]: how do else a journal but [Nick McGowan]: you [Kyle Lynch]: then it’s [Nick McGowan]: all [Kyle Lynch]: like [Nick McGowan]: the standards [Kyle Lynch]: life still put bring situations to youso it is like is this
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: a infinite unfolding experience of like i’mworking on something so don’t we need ship
[Kyle Lynch]: to happen in our lives to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: work on [Nick McGowan]: test [Kyle Lynch]: something [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: so it’s [Nick McGowan]: exactly [Kyle Lynch]: like do i want to have thisexperience
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: and so that’s where it’s [Nick McGowan]: i [Kyle Lynch]: like it’s a love hate relationship withmental health
[Nick McGowan]: i totally understand that man yeah iget that too i had a conversation with
[Nick McGowan]: a client recently where i was tellinghim i have to be mindful of my
[Nick McGowan]: face at different times with certain experiencesbecause i see a moment happening and i
[Nick McGowan]: almost just get maniacally happy about itwhere i’m like oh fuck this is one
[Nick McGowan]: of those moments this is where weget do something like this is that learning
[Nick McGowan]: moment but sometimes it could be icould just look like me being a crazy
[Nick McGowan]: fucking guy just like standing there likeyea
[Kyle Lynch]: oh [Nick McGowan]: because i know it’s some deep ship [Kyle Lynch]: ah [Nick McGowan]: that you’re about to get into umso when you think of the stuff that
[Nick McGowan]: you’ve learned and you’ve gone through andyou’ve gone through the schooling and you’re helping
[Nick McGowan]: clients and all of that know differentthings resonate with different people like some people
[Nick McGowan]: their jam is is journaling or youknow walking out in nature and hiking and
[Nick McGowan]: all that sort of stuff what haveyou found to really work with you
[Kyle Lynch]: um m it’s hard to say becausei try to take a person centered approach
[Kyle Lynch]: but at the same time there isthis spiritual part of me that says like
[Kyle Lynch]: oh this person that’s across to meis a reflection of something that’s internally of
[Kyle Lynch]: me because i believe everything that existis connected we’re all reflections of each other
[Kyle Lynch]: so it’s like what do i needto work on within myself to help this
[Kyle Lynch]: person i mean ultimately i just liketo point people to themselves a lot it’s
[Kyle Lynch]: like i feel like people start talkingabout like other people and just like it
[Kyle Lynch]: becomes like feels very external almost likebring
[Nick McGowan]: and you’re like come [Kyle Lynch]: it [Nick McGowan]: on [Kyle Lynch]: back [Nick McGowan]: back [Kyle Lynch]: to your body so i feel likei have more like a somatic person centered
[Kyle Lynch]: approach where i want people to findstillness and sometimes i got to check myself
[Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: because it’s like i want people tokind of wonder about life the same way
[Kyle Lynch]: that i do wonder about who theyare internally and have like a very spiritual
[Kyle Lynch]: kind of metaphysical way of viewing thingsso that’s what i have to kind of
[Kyle Lynch]: check with myself where it’s like somepeople just don’t want to go there so
[Kyle Lynch]: sometimes they just want to work ontheir relation ship with her dad and
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: learned communication skills and that sort ofstuff
[Nick McGowan]: and [Kyle Lynch]: and [Nick McGowan]: you got to be okay with justloving them where they’re at basically
[Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: without [Kyle Lynch]: but then [Nick McGowan]: being like [Kyle Lynch]: sometimes [Nick McGowan]: why [Kyle Lynch]: i get some [Nick McGowan]: but why [Kyle Lynch]: clients [Nick McGowan]: not [Kyle Lynch]: some clients right down their goals ofwhat they want to do someone says like
[Kyle Lynch]: i want to know myself i wantto know who i am i’m like yes
[Kyle Lynch]: i’m like i feel like we couldget like really deep with that and
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: i don’t know what part of melikes those questions i don’t know it’s like
[Kyle Lynch]: soul my mind but it’s like thatlightens me up that excites me and
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: maybe that’s something for me too maybejust because that person is a reflection what
[Kyle Lynch]: inside of me because [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: i’m always curious about who the hellwe are what are we doing here
[Nick McGowan]: i get that that’s cool especially tobe able to think about that reflection and
[Nick McGowan]: to be mindful of that [Kyle Lynch]: yes [Nick McGowan]: we can often forget about the reflectionor the reflective piece there have been times
[Nick McGowan]: for myself where i judge somebody aboutsomething like i’ll see them and i’ll judge
[Nick McGowan]: them with something ll go why thecar you judging like because that’s a meat
[Nick McGowan]: problem [Kyle Lynch]: yep [Nick McGowan]: something that i have to work onand just being consciously aware that so i
[Nick McGowan]: on to appreciate that reminder and iappreciate that you actually look at that and
[Nick McGowan]: you’re mindful of that too it soundslike and tell me if i’m wrong but
[Nick McGowan]: it sounds like there could be timeswhere you’re almost hyper aware of certain things
[Nick McGowan]: where you have to kind of pullyourself back or try to find some balance
[Nick McGowan]: is that right [Kyle Lynch]: i have no idea to be honestwith you
[Kyle Lynch]: i i don’t know what a likewhat do you mean hyper war just like
[Kyle Lynch]: emotionally because i don’t want to saylike oh yeah like like i i know
[Kyle Lynch]: everything that like someone’s going through excitedi don’t or maybe i’d like to think
[Kyle Lynch]: i do but i don’t know ahundred percent shore because i’m not them
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: but this just came to my mindjust like my my intention during my my
[Kyle Lynch]: existential breakdown where i was crying alot and asking questions
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: i remember i was driving one dayand i was listening to one of my
[Kyle Lynch]: favorite songs that really excites me likeit gives me chills when listen to it
[Kyle Lynch]: and during it like i set theintention out to the universe i’m like i
[Kyle Lynch]: want to be this like super powerfulpath and psychic like without this is before
[Kyle Lynch]: my outer body experience so it’s likei didn’t have any knowledge of energy metaphysical
[Kyle Lynch]: like doing this type [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: of stuff so it’s like i thoughti’m just like playing around like but i
[Kyle Lynch]: feel like [Nick McGowan]: you’re just yelling in your car [Kyle Lynch]: yeah but i feel like since iwas in such a heightened state within myself
[Kyle Lynch]: because i was listening to that song [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: like really happy and i put thatinto the universe i feel like it came
[Kyle Lynch]: back to me somewhat because i feellike i’m always changing because i don’t you
[Kyle Lynch]: asked ten years ago that i wouldbe doing this like i speak speaking with
[Kyle Lynch]: you be a mental heath councilor i’mlike i don’t see that at all like
[Kyle Lynch]: how does [Nick McGowan]: how would [Kyle Lynch]: so [Nick McGowan]: i get there yah [Kyle Lynch]: yeah don’t know if that makes [Nick McGowan]: it’s [Kyle Lynch]: any [Nick McGowan]: interesting [Kyle Lynch]: sense then but yeah [Nick McGowan]: yeah yeah i get that and ican appreciate that what i was talking about
[Nick McGowan]: was being [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: hyper aware of certain things that youdo then the awareness of that where you
[Nick McGowan]: can kind of get stuck in likeoh well i’m looking at this person as
[Nick McGowan]: a mirror so what’s going on withme instead of being there with the other
[Nick McGowan]: person and being present in and balancewithin that now where you learn certain things
[Nick McGowan]: but then you go right well ihave to just adopt them and just have
[Nick McGowan]: them as part of me you findthat you’ve gotten to a point where you
[Nick McGowan]: have you have more of that happeningwhere things are just kind of absorbed into
[Nick McGowan]: your body and now just they’ve beencome who you are
[Kyle Lynch]: um m i believe to a certainextent so i’ve been i don’t know how
[Kyle Lynch]: much of other people i pick up [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: um but i’ve been told by peoplewho are close to me like whenever you
[Kyle Lynch]: hang out with this person you comeback just like them and with like whoever
[Kyle Lynch]: i’m with whether family men our otherfriends it’s like i’ve been told like you
[Kyle Lynch]: almost become them so i don’t knowif i’m just like unconsciously picking up their
[Kyle Lynch]: energy and then an expressive of thatand i don’t know if that has to
[Kyle Lynch]: do with i said before about myintention of wanting to become like superampathic but
[Nick McGowan]: h [Kyle Lynch]: i [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: i don’t want [Nick McGowan]: m [Kyle Lynch]: to say like yes or no becausei honestly i don’t know because then i
[Kyle Lynch]: would have to be that person completely [Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: to say like yes i feel likehyper vigilant that i’m
[Nick McGowan]: ye [Kyle Lynch]: picking up things i don’t know [Nick McGowan]: sure [Kyle Lynch]: if that makes [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: sense [Nick McGowan]: it might be the path yeah youknow you can kind of sponge things in
[Nick McGowan]: il it’s been awesome to have youon i appreciate you getting in everything you’ve
[Nick McGowan]: gotten into and i appreciate the storyand what you’re what your journeys looked like
[Nick McGowan]: so far so thank you for beingon the show with us before we start
[Nick McGowan]: to wrap things up i always liketo ask what’s that one piece of advice
[Nick McGowan]: you’d give to the audience that’s ontheir path towards self mastery
[Kyle Lynch]: yeah um show up when we’re talkingabout this this
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: m whatever the thing is you wantto do it’s like don’t worry about making
[Kyle Lynch]: it perfect um m try not toplan it out in your head just like
[Kyle Lynch]: start doing it and sometimes we idon’t like the word failure but it just
[Kyle Lynch]: like [Kyle Lynch]: creates another step for us every timewe have an experience
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Kyle Lynch]: it’s another step so it’s like forme even doing this it’s just like this
[Kyle Lynch]: is a step and it’s like wegot to keep on going so just keep
[Kyle Lynch]: on showing up [Nick McGowan]: hm [Kyle Lynch]: trying our best we’re all on thisroller coaster of life together
[Nick McGowan]: hm good stuff Kyle Lynch and thank youfor showing up today man i appreciate your
[Nick McGowan]: time [Kyle Lynch]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: where can [Kyle Lynch]: thank you [Nick McGowan]: people [Kyle Lynch]: nic [Nick McGowan]: find you and where can they connectwith you
[Kyle Lynch]: um i have a website it’s ak l energy portal dot com um have
[Kyle Lynch]: some services there i have some productsso they could check it out
[Nick McGowan]: perfect and all that stuff will bein the show notes too so again
[Kyle Lynch]: yah [Nick McGowan]: thank you so much i appreciate yourtime
[Kyle Lynch]: thanks Nick good speaking with you