Become A Person Of Value – Ep.032 – Jeevan Matharu

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Episode summary:​ Jeevan is a Financial Advisor, Author, and Transformational Coach whose IQ is in the top 2%. We discuss what it means to be a person of value and how he’s coupled his intelligence with an insatiable appetite for new information.

Guest Name & Bio:  Jeevan, tell us about yourself… 

“I am a 32-year-old Author and Transformational Coach (As well as a financial adviser/retirement planner). I like to learn, and I am constantly learning about interesting ideas and topics.

Outside of this research, I enjoy hiking, Judo, and walking the Dog. I have recently acquired qualifications in Life Coaching, Psychology, and Counselling. I am also a member of Mensa. I love Philosophy, and I am a self-proclaimed Stoic. I am currently writing a second book. “

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[Nick McGowan]: Hey Jeevan, welcome to the show how you doing, man?

[Jeevan Matharu]: I’m really good thanks and thank you very much for having me on, Nick.

[Nick McGowan]: yeah absolutely i appreciate your reaching out

you know i was looking through some of

[Nick McGowan]: your background and what you’re what you’re

getting into and what you’ve done so far

[Nick McGowan]: and i’m excited to have you on

the show i love when i get to

[Nick McGowan]: be able to have people on the

show that aren’t part of this same culture

[Nick McGowan]: that i’m in or even in the

same country and i’m sure people can tell

[Nick McGowan]: right off the bat just by hearing

you say any sort of words it’s not

[Nick McGowan]: like you’re from philly like i am


[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: appreciate your being on and why don’t

you give some context what do you do

[Nick McGowan]: for a living and one thing that

most people don’t know about you

[Jeevan Matharu]: i mean as with anyone these days

is you

[Nick McGowan]: course

[Jeevan Matharu]: know when you’re trying to become a

valuable person you’ll have a few things on

[Jeevan Matharu]: the go as you probably know

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: i don’t know what you do outside

of the podcast but you’ve probably got a

[Jeevan Matharu]: few things that you’re you’re sof doing


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: historically i’ve worked in

[Nick McGowan]: yah

[Jeevan Matharu]: wealth management so being a financial adviser

and a retirement planet essentially for elderly should

[Jeevan Matharu]: we call it that are

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: looking to accumulate some of the assets

they’ve built up over time i came to

[Jeevan Matharu]: the conclusion quite a number of years

back that had other things to offer

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: so actually wrote a book called become

a person of value which i’m sure will

[Jeevan Matharu]: come to talk about at some point

but predominantly that book is split into twenty

[Jeevan Matharu]: five to thirty chapters splits out areas

that help people grow into as you’ve said

[Jeevan Matharu]: mastery that may be how to set

goals correctly how to understand

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: your own psychology how to continue to

motivate yourself self improvement on a more general

[Jeevan Matharu]: basis looking at personality types et cetera

so you can see that all of those

[Jeevan Matharu]: chapters are aligned self improvement over all

[Nick McGowan]: my

[Jeevan Matharu]: but split down into sort of those

more nice areas that really come together to

[Jeevan Matharu]: help you create your own value so

you know a lot of the time as

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’ll know yourself and many people tend


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: seek money so you know looking for


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: quick move that quick book that self

that get rich quick scheme et cetera that

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: doesn’t exist

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: and they don’t want to actually become

some one who’s valuable provide value which then

[Jeevan Matharu]: will provide remuneration later on it might

not be instant

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: gratification that’s fine but it’s something that

is a long term process and you now

[Jeevan Matharu]: mastery is not a two week job

is something that you have

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: to dedicate time to over

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: the longer so that’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: the sort of first book we all

come on to the second book as well

[Jeevan Matharu]: in terms of coaching so that’s really

off the back of book me wanting to

[Jeevan Matharu]: offer more of a personal service to

those who want to look at the more

[Jeevan Matharu]: specific of their situation you know the

book is a more generic and general go

[Jeevan Matharu]: to manual essentially that maybe

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: doesn’t have that personal connection that someone

wants to talk about their situation and have

[Jeevan Matharu]: someone of base ideas with them so

that’s where the coaching comes in that’s called

[Jeevan Matharu]: vanquished transformation al coaching and that’s something

i’m very passionate about helping people become the

[Jeevan Matharu]: best person they can be because at

the end of the day you know if

[Jeevan Matharu]: you want to improve the world you

need to improve improve yourself first of all

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know if you

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: improve yourself let’s

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: say you start a business that’s turning

over let’s just keep the most simple five

[Jeevan Matharu]: hundred thousand pounds a year you’re taking

a hundred thousand pounds of that you might

[Jeevan Matharu]: be able to employ ten fifteen of

your friends paying ten twenty thirty thousand pounds

[Jeevan Matharu]: a year

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: so you’re uplifting

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Jeevan Matharu]: their lives they can put forward food

on the table for their kids the kids

[Jeevan Matharu]: all then have higher self esteem maybe

be able

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: to get into better relationships so it

has a knock on effect and you know

[Jeevan Matharu]: you want to

[Nick McGowan]: wait

[Jeevan Matharu]: make an impact well i know i

should i shall do an impact that it’s

[Jeevan Matharu]: going to effect lot of people want

a positive based approach rather than on negative

[Jeevan Matharu]: based approach so that’s really where the

coaching comes in and finally from from the

[Jeevan Matharu]: sort of professional side the second book

that’s coming out is a much more inter

[Jeevan Matharu]: active book than the first so you

know that you here as an example neck

[Jeevan Matharu]: it might be that i you’ve got

a copy of the book and there’s three

[Jeevan Matharu]: let’s call it sixty six questions or

a question to day that you need to

[Jeevan Matharu]: answer so the first question may be

well where do you need to be in

[Jeevan Matharu]: five years time

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: you would then have obviosly a page

to write down your answer there’ll be some

[Jeevan Matharu]: guidance about have you thought about this

have you thought about this and obviously some

[Jeevan Matharu]: for myself and then there’s obviously some


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: pages to

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: to maybe we’ll finally

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: answer slightly in developing action plan saying

okay well if i want to be here

[Jeevan Matharu]: in five years time what daily habits

and daily routines do i need to do

[Jeevan Matharu]: today tomorrow or next week next year

the year after in order to get there

[Jeevan Matharu]: so that’s really my background

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: from from a deprressional standpoint i’ve done

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: i don’t know i you want to

know about hobbitand stuff as well but you

[Jeevan Matharu]: know i’m not sure exactly

[Nick McGowan]: i mean i always appreciate when people

share whatever it is that makes them up

[Nick McGowan]: so that’s part of the reason why

i ask the question of what do you

[Nick McGowan]: do for a living and what’s one

thing that most people don’t know about you

[Nick McGowan]: because typically the people you work with

don’t know the thing that’s kind of one

[Nick McGowan]: of the

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: most interesting things about you so what’s

that thing that most people don’t know about

[Nick McGowan]: you

[Jeevan Matharu]: so most people probably don’t know that

i’m a member of mentor if you’re familiar

[Jeevan Matharu]: with the organization

[Nick McGowan]: no it’s up

[Jeevan Matharu]: so men there is a organization

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: designed for

[Nick McGowan]: kay

[Jeevan Matharu]: people with high i q so in

the top two percent of i so you

[Jeevan Matharu]: have to

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: take an argue test if you’re in

the top but sent either on the well

[Jeevan Matharu]: the two tests basically there’s a non

verbal and the more verbal base test if

[Jeevan Matharu]: you get in on any of

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Jeevan Matharu]: those you are then allowed to enter

essentially and it’s not one of those where

[Jeevan Matharu]: now everyone is a gee everyone’s strange

you know just because you’re intelligence doesn’t mean

[Jeevan Matharu]: that you haven’t got other things or

interesting things about you so that’s something

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: that a lot of people don’t know

i’m a bit in some respects in terms

[Jeevan Matharu]: of i don’t know something let’s say

that off the end of this call there’s

[Jeevan Matharu]: smething that you said that i’m not

aware of a something that i know little

[Jeevan Matharu]: about i’ll probably go away

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: point today or tomorrow

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: and have a little read about it

just to keep myself abreast of anything that

[Jeevan Matharu]: i feel that i’ve missed out because

at the end of the day

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: lot kids are very good at this

they’re very curious i don’t know i you’ve

[Jeevan Matharu]: got kids or around kids at

[Nick McGowan]: no

[Jeevan Matharu]: any stage but they ask some strange

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: questions what’s this who’s that what’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: this why this and it’s just to

try some their environment and i don’t

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: think i’ve really ever lost that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: and i think that doesn’t stand me

in good stead really

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: because look at the end of the

day questions or everything you know let’s take

[Jeevan Matharu]: your podcast as an example neck you

know if we’re in a coaching session you

[Jeevan Matharu]: would say look i want to increase

the revenue for my podcast although that’s a

[Jeevan Matharu]: good question it will be more around

the other questions how can you get better

[Jeevan Matharu]: guests on two podcast

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: how can you reach more p or

what sort of demographic are you after what

[Jeevan Matharu]: sort of content do you want to

put forward are there any

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: collaborations that you can look to incorporate

so they’re the real questions not the general

[Jeevan Matharu]: question everyone asks how can i increase

revenue that’s broken down and that’s as i

[Jeevan Matharu]: said what kids are very very good

at asking those

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: direct questions

[Nick McGowan]: yeah that’s a great point you know

i don’t have any children but i have

[Nick McGowan]: nieces nephews and cousins and you know

i was a kid at one point

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: and i remember asking so many questions

that would piss my mom off she’d be

[Nick McGowan]: like why

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: because i’m going to kill you that’s

why and i’m like i’m just asking you

[Nick McGowan]: know like help me understand this thing

and i realized that over the course of

[Nick McGowan]: time there were a lot of people

and i think i was runnin aroun maybe

[Nick McGowan]: middle school where people were like i’m

not going to ask questions because now i’m

[Nick McGowan]: starting to see that maybe i don’t

know all the things and you’re going to

[Nick McGowan]: make me feel stupid when i ask

a question and then people start to veer

[Nick McGowan]: off i love that you still continue

to ask questions

[Jeevan Matharu]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: i think that’s an important thing that

a lot of people

[Jeevan Matharu]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: don’t really think a bout because honestly

they’ve gotten so far into life that they

[Nick McGowan]: don’t think about that ship normal they

just don’t think about the process of thinking

[Nick McGowan]: about things they just kind of move


[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: and the next thing you know months

or years later and they’re like i have

[Nick McGowan]: no idea how i’ve been in this

job for twenty years i’ve idea

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: how we’ve stuck in this relationship or

what have you and do you think that

[Nick McGowan]: ties in with you being in that

upper two percent tile or do you think

[Nick McGowan]: that’s just something

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that was to your environment

[Jeevan Matharu]: i mean it’s a difficult one in

terms of the oppertwopercent percent as you said

[Jeevan Matharu]: there’s really two sides to intelligence as

far as i’m concerned one is as you

[Jeevan Matharu]: said the questions and the curiosity to

actually delve deeper into things that give you

[Jeevan Matharu]: that that sort of back level filing

cabinet worth of knowledge you know you’ve read

[Jeevan Matharu]: let’s say

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: hundred books

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: say twenty percent of that knowledge is

stored a concrete basis and then fifty percent

[Jeevan Matharu]: is

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: tangible or intangible in some respects and


[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: thirty four per cent you don’t remember

at all so that is a really good

[Jeevan Matharu]: knowledge base to reflect other ideas of

the other type of intelligence that forms part

[Jeevan Matharu]: of that same merit is your processing

speed so for everyone has got lapped up

[Jeevan Matharu]: out there

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know you’ve got your eye two

three four five seven and ten processes that

[Jeevan Matharu]: sort of ice is the processing speed

so it doesn’t mean that there’s no direct

[Jeevan Matharu]: correlation between success and intelligence dere’s just

not a lot of the

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: time it’s your work

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: ethic your your mentality your mind your

goal setting the q is just a nice

[Jeevan Matharu]: to have that can maybe help so

it doesn’t mean to say that you know

[Jeevan Matharu]: so want to hire any better than

anyone else but definitely the questioning does help

[Jeevan Matharu]: i just want to touch as well

on the point that you mentioned about the

[Jeevan Matharu]: kids and the curiosity of kids sometimes

we can learn from kids so greatly that

[Jeevan Matharu]: it’s very understated kids are so honest

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’ve probably

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: seen where mom’s aware

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: and the outfit and they ask the

kids how do you look you look fat

[Jeevan Matharu]: i don’t like it

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: the reason is so honest because they

have not had this negative programming they don’t

[Jeevan Matharu]: ask

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: questions with the feeling of i’m like

an idiot here they asking the questions on

[Jeevan Matharu]: the basis they just really want to

know the answer

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: and if we could take a leaf

out of so many kids book it’s frightening

[Jeevan Matharu]: they have such a positive attitude towards

life they’re very inquisitive very honest if they

[Jeevan Matharu]: want to do something they will do

it they have massive aspirations i want to

[Jeevan Matharu]: be national i want to be a

president we have been

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: negatively programmed whether it’s from school whether

it’s from the news whether it’s from friends

[Jeevan Matharu]: fam and and that those limiting beliefs

can have a real negative effect on where

[Jeevan Matharu]: you could be in three five years

time you know if you don’t feel that

[Jeevan Matharu]: you could

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: be let’s say a pressin boxer just

i don’t know why that just came to

[Jeevan Matharu]: mind you’ll never be a pressonal box

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: us the example of an architect you

know the house that you’re sitting in now

[Jeevan Matharu]: it nick it was

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: first designed in the mind

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: of an architect was drawn down on

paper you know the blue prints it was

[Jeevan Matharu]: then sent to the builder built it

it was decorated and here you are with

[Jeevan Matharu]: your photos and your book shelf in

the background yeah life is no different you

[Jeevan Matharu]: know you have to design in your

mind the outcome that you’re after you know

[Jeevan Matharu]: let’s take my book for example i

designed it in my mind first and

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: can okay what do i want from

a book great we’ll make the plan of

[Jeevan Matharu]: action and then we’ll start to write

the book and yes along the way a

[Jeevan Matharu]: book a little bit different than the

house a house has to be much more

[Jeevan Matharu]: finite but as it’s getting built i

can amend and adapt things accordingly so

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know for all the listeners out

there maybe you want to improve their life

[Jeevan Matharu]: build something in your mind first visualize

a business visualize you know the ideal partner

[Jeevan Matharu]: visualize you know the friendship circle you

want to be and visualize the role that

[Jeevan Matharu]: you want unless you can do that

it’s going to be very difficult for something

[Jeevan Matharu]: just to land on your lap without

any form of specificity about what you’re

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: after that makes sense to me

[Nick McGowan]: yeah oh my gosh yeah totally i

think of that kind

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: of dichotomy between clarity and

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: just taking action just moving along

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: on things

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: because there are a lot of people

that will think through so many things and

[Nick McGowan]: then they get stuck in paralysis by

analysis and they just keep thinking

[Jeevan Matharu]: i love

[Nick McGowan]: through

[Jeevan Matharu]: it

[Nick McGowan]: and thinking through and then there are

other people that are just almost too simple

[Nick McGowan]: where they’re like well bucket had the

idea moving along and they just

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: move along

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: on things but they figured

[Jeevan Matharu]: yah

[Nick McGowan]: a lot of stuff out now

[Jeevan Matharu]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: i try to actually

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: be a balance between those where

[Jeevan Matharu]: my

[Nick McGowan]: i think through things a bit and

i know that i can get lost in

[Nick McGowan]: those thoughts

[Jeevan Matharu]: eh

[Nick McGowan]: but at the same time i know

that i can be a bull in a

[Nick McGowan]: china shop so there’s a little

[Jeevan Matharu]: m

[Nick McGowan]: bit of a gray area to say

how do you mix the both of them

[Nick McGowan]: together where you can think through you

can think enough about it and go all

[Nick McGowan]: right i got it i’m good and

then just keep walking or start walking so

[Nick McGowan]: how do you work with your clients

to be able to get them to think

[Nick McGowan]: through enough of it that doesn’t hold

them back to then actually start taking those

[Nick McGowan]: steps

[Jeevan Matharu]: there’s two phases that come to mind

based on what you’ve said i think the

[Jeevan Matharu]: first one is that the climbing of

a mountain starts with a single step so

[Jeevan Matharu]: as you’ve said you know you need

to break down these overwhelming

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: tasks into just take the first step

just take the second step if

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’re driving home late at night ah

you’re driving three and miles away you don’t

[Jeevan Matharu]: need to see the destination to continue

to drive

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: all you need to see is the

next two hundred meters with the headlines yea

[Jeevan Matharu]: and you have

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: the faith that you know you’re going

to get there it’s very much a case

[Jeevan Matharu]: of as you said do you want

to go under the paralus by analysis root

[Jeevan Matharu]: or do you want to act too

hastily if well

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: too erratically should we say in respect

of not

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jeevan Matharu]: sort of know when

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’re going so there’s got to be

that sort of fine

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: line and another phrase that incorporates both

of those sides is that where there’s the

[Jeevan Matharu]: obstacle that’s actually the way to go

what this over thinking does is that if

[Jeevan Matharu]: people

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: see an obstacle they will try and

think their way out of it or how

[Jeevan Matharu]: can i get away from this obstacle

how can i make things easier actually the

[Jeevan Matharu]: fact there is an obstacle there the

challenge s trying to get for that obstacle

[Jeevan Matharu]: using either the skills that you’ve already

got or when you get to the obstacle

[Jeevan Matharu]: you will develop new skills at the

point that you are up at the obstacle

[Jeevan Matharu]: so you know many people don’t

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: like failing but failing is imperative in

any walk of life if you’re a kid

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know you try

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: and stand up but you can’t and

you go again you trying more you can’t

[Jeevan Matharu]: then you go again so again taking

a leaf out of kids box you know

[Jeevan Matharu]: we don’t we try and avert our

way from danger we stay in a comfort

[Jeevan Matharu]: zone we don’t look at things that

are going to push us forward

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: we don’t have big dreams we try

and play it safe so what i tend

[Jeevan Matharu]: to talk to glass about and look

as a coach you know it’s not up

[Jeevan Matharu]: to me to give you the answers

is for us to discuss and you to

[Jeevan Matharu]: come up with your own answer

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: to an extent with some sort of

[Nick McGowan]: yep

[Jeevan Matharu]: guidance or question and a lot of

the time it’s just a mind set shift

[Jeevan Matharu]: that’s all it is it’s to look

at things in a slightly different way you

[Jeevan Matharu]: know it’s not what happens to you

it’s what you make of it that counts

[Jeevan Matharu]: are you looking at things on a

negative basis or a positive basis so

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: as an example if i a tunic

lot don’t think of elephants

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: automatically think of elephants

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: whether you want

[Nick McGowan]: course

[Jeevan Matharu]: to or not and what people tend

to do is they will talk about their

[Jeevan Matharu]: life they don’t want they all say

i don’t want to be single i don’t

[Jeevan Matharu]: want to be fact i don’t want

to be poor so conscious doesn’t hear the

[Jeevan Matharu]: don’t just as to act on behalf

of what you’ve said so instead of saying

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know i don’t want to be

single why not say i want to be

[Jeevan Matharu]: in a relationship instead they mean the

same thing but they also don’t mean the

[Jeevan Matharu]: same thing

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’ve got football

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: team and you say you know don’t

lose the game versus win the game

[Nick McGowan]: ye

[Jeevan Matharu]: the behavior

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: of the players will be very very

different it will be a much more courses

[Jeevan Matharu]: approach versus a more aggressive so so

yeah i mean it’s such long question to

[Jeevan Matharu]: answer how do you help clients to

to look at whether or not they’re over

[Jeevan Matharu]: thinking or just taking action it’s such

a comprehensive all set or conversation

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: that we need to go through

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: it’s very bespoke for everyone it’s where

they’re at what fears do they have do

[Jeevan Matharu]: they have fears of failure they have

impostors in which is a very common one

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: do they have

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: fear of success which again many people

do and they actually sell sabataked so yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: it’s

[Nick McGowan]: yes

[Jeevan Matharu]: i mean i’m plxpluring out a lot

of information there but it’s

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: just that you know it all into

links in a way that obviously when you

[Jeevan Matharu]: get experience in this area you see

all of the sort of coherence

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: between them but

[Nick McGowan]: ah

[Jeevan Matharu]: also they are very separate so it’s

trying to manage that to insure that you

[Jeevan Matharu]: know the clients are moving forward in

the best way possible

[Nick McGowan]: yeah you start to see patterns you

will start to see that you’re similar to

[Nick McGowan]: this other guy or this other person

i talk to or would have you but

[Nick McGowan]: everybody is different i also like to

ask those big loaded questions i mean we

[Nick McGowan]: are here on a podcast so i


[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: when somebody jumps in with such an

answer i would almost be pretty shocked if

[Nick McGowan]: i talked to a coach and they’re

like it’s easy we knock it out in

[Nick McGowan]: fifteen seconds and like well that’s crazy

how do you figure

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that out in fifteen seconds you would

you know so i can appreciate being able

[Nick McGowan]: to go through and find that stuff

out and if we actually span out a

[Nick McGowan]: hundred feet view

[Jeevan Matharu]: m

[Nick McGowan]: from this and

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: look at this what we’re really talking

about is the overall awareness and asking the

[Nick McGowan]: right questions and sometimes we as individuals

can ask ourselves i can feel like the

[Nick McGowan]: right questions but we can talk ourselves

in or out of different scenarios so sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: it’s just talking to somebody even if

it’s not a coach it’s somebody that’s trusted

[Nick McGowan]: that’s not going to feed you back

bullshit and then just go no you’re all

[Nick McGowan]: right you’re okay like you’re totally fine


[Jeevan Matharu]: mah

[Nick McGowan]: i want to encourage people if you

don’t have a coach

[Jeevan Matharu]: my

[Nick McGowan]: go get a coach but

[Jeevan Matharu]: m

[Nick McGowan]: if you’re not going to get a

coach least find people that you can talk

[Nick McGowan]: to and you can have those real

questions with and you nail him man being

[Nick McGowan]: able to actually ask the questions will

help the person get to the answer coaches

[Nick McGowan]: don’t just give answers were not genies

but we know how to ask the right

[Nick McGowan]: questions to be able to get you

moving and have a body of work to

[Nick McGowan]: be able to say based on these

other things i’ve seen this is how you

[Nick McGowan]: go about it so i know as

a coach that you have to go through

[Nick McGowan]: experiences

[Jeevan Matharu]: ah

[Nick McGowan]: to be able to talk about stuff

and it sounds like you’ve got a lot

[Nick McGowan]: of experiences but we haven’t really tapped

back into how you grew up and uh

[Nick McGowan]: really anything that has made you who

you are now so are there any major

[Nick McGowan]: episodes

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: or situations that come to mind that

you look at and you go man that

[Nick McGowan]: was a moment in time that changed


[Jeevan Matharu]: well i think there’s there’s

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: two

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: that really come to mind so i

actually could have given this as an answer

[Jeevan Matharu]: earlier that you know to one of

the questions that you asked that was what’s

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: one thing that people don’t know about


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: i was actually

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: expelled

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: from school so

[Nick McGowan]: oh man

[Jeevan Matharu]: i went to private school i was

as i said i was in the top

[Jeevan Matharu]: super cent of i c i was

doing examples early and stuff and i don’t

[Jeevan Matharu]: know whether it was i was not

stimulated enough or whether it was just my

[Jeevan Matharu]: personality at that point very immature but

i got thrown out of school ah

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: maybe that’s the reason that i am

a coach now or very dedicated to the

[Jeevan Matharu]: self improvement maybe

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: because at that point i didn’t have

that sort of direction and wished i had

[Jeevan Matharu]: someone such as

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jeevan Matharu]: myself to actually talk to myself if

that makes sense

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: and that

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: can

[Nick McGowan]: i get

[Jeevan Matharu]: be the

[Nick McGowan]: that

[Jeevan Matharu]: way in life that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: sometimes something that you needed earlier on

in life you end up coming later on

[Jeevan Matharu]: so you know

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: let’s say i’ve seen this where someone’s

dad has not been that wealthy and the

[Jeevan Matharu]: carbis always breaking down so the kid

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: ended up becoming a mechanic

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: because of obviously

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: what they experienced in childhood so sometimes

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: things happened for a reason

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: maybe that was that was the reason

that happened the second of mindtextshift for me

[Jeevan Matharu]: was i was working employed as a

financial advisor i mean i still works financial

[Jeevan Matharu]: advisor as i said as well but

that’s on self employed working for myself basis

[Jeevan Matharu]: but when i was employed i used

to have to travel and all over the

[Jeevan Matharu]: country so obvious you’re not from

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: the u k but if we

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: were to say i was driving for

six hours a day and i was in

[Jeevan Matharu]: meetings for maybe four hours as well

so maybe a ten hour day six of

[Jeevan Matharu]: those

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: were in the car

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: the first few months in the job

i was listening to music as you do

[Jeevan Matharu]: and just the normal ship you know

for want of a bad phrase

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: after a while i thought well

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: if i was to calculate how many

hours i’m wasting sitting here in the car

[Jeevan Matharu]: six hours a day

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: for six days a week for let’s

call it fifty fifty

[Nick McGowan]: okay

[Jeevan Matharu]: weeks a year two weeks for occasion

of course how much time is that and

[Jeevan Matharu]: let’s say that i use maybe just

three of those hours because obviously six hours

[Jeevan Matharu]: of learning is you can get you

get to the point of diminishing returns

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: don’t you where

[Nick McGowan]: too much

[Jeevan Matharu]: after

[Nick McGowan]: eh

[Jeevan Matharu]: a certain out of time

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know you can’t absorb anything more


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know as i said i’ve got

meetings within that time as well

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: so it was a

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: case of well how can i best

use this time so i stumbled across you

[Jeevan Matharu]: brian traces

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: jim rone’s tony robins

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: et cetera et cetera

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: then obviously as i said i’m very

curiously you veer off a nightingale or this

[Jeevan Matharu]: person this person audiobook

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: etcetera etcetera and really changed my mind

and my focus

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: and i realize that instead of chasing

money as we talked about earlier it’s about

[Jeevan Matharu]: becoming

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: someone valuable i mean amazon like to

use the example of amazon people say well

[Jeevan Matharu]: i want a business worth in of

pounds the real question is can you get

[Jeevan Matharu]: me if i don’t know a desk

lamp can you get me a desk lamp

[Jeevan Matharu]: a reasonable price to my house within

twenty four hours

[Nick McGowan]: no

[Jeevan Matharu]: no so you haven’t got a value

now there’s no value there

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: so you know you have to be

able to create a proposition

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: that is worth that value an amazon

has done that and many other

[Nick McGowan]: ye

[Jeevan Matharu]: businesses have done that as well but

if you look at yourself for the business

[Jeevan Matharu]: what values

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: can you bring what is

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: your personality type what are you naturally

good at what compliments do people give you

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know if you’re cooking for people

all the time and they’re telling you you

[Jeevan Matharu]: know that’s great chicken or great stake

maybe you’ve got something there maybe know you

[Jeevan Matharu]: could be a chef and should move

away from your office job maybe

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: if you’ve got an interest in cooking

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: as well that’s a

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: perfect marriage where you can now become

a chef because you love it and you

[Jeevan Matharu]: really got the and that might be

your future success but people tend to forget

[Jeevan Matharu]: those two and they will look at

you now go on the read or total

[Jeevan Matharu]: jobs or i don’t don’t know

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: there’s any different ones there in the


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: but they go and he’ll search by

salary i’m on i used to be like

[Jeevan Matharu]: this all the time you searched salary

like this is what i’m after and you’re

[Jeevan Matharu]: trying fit a square peg into round

holes and

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: say well i could maybe

[Nick McGowan]: maybe

[Jeevan Matharu]: do that

[Nick McGowan]: could i oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know as you change your cvtoffiting

all that

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: sort of stuff

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: but actually that’s not a great long


[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: plan because what will happen is twenty

years down the road you’ll be in a

[Jeevan Matharu]: job you hate solersoin job

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: and you along the way you’ve

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: picked up a lot of financial

[Nick McGowan]: a

[Jeevan Matharu]: obligations that it’s hard to turn away

from mortgage payments car payments food

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: maybe you’ve got kids and they’ve got

educational cost so it’s very difficult for you

[Jeevan Matharu]: then to come away from that career

and income so you’ve got to run two

[Jeevan Matharu]: four time jobs rather than one and

obviously that can lead to overwhelm and you

[Jeevan Matharu]: know that can have a real negative

impact on you mental health so yeah and

[Jeevan Matharu]: then everyone you know you said about

being a coach you go though you speak

[Jeevan Matharu]: to people with such different problems yes

you can categorize them to some respect but

[Jeevan Matharu]: also every situation is very very bespoke

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jeevan Matharu]: an individual

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: and that’s you know the whole point

really in having you know a coach or

[Jeevan Matharu]: as you said someone who you want

to speak to what i’ve tended to find

[Jeevan Matharu]: is two key questions when i’ve

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: actually said look you could probably just

speak to your friend you more dad about

[Jeevan Matharu]: a lot of this stuff and there’s

two main reason people don’t want to do

[Jeevan Matharu]: that one is obviously confidentiality and being

judged by the other person which i totally

[Jeevan Matharu]: get someone who is not in your

close circle but

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah you want to talk things through

with because obviously you know you’ve got something

[Jeevan Matharu]: very deep in confidential you don’t necesarily

want it to be with people who are

[Jeevan Matharu]: close to you

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: and the second is that maybe don’t

trust the person enough which

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jeevan Matharu]: totally get

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: if you’re one of the lucky few

who has someone like

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jeevan Matharu]: that absolutely no use that resource and

you know you can bounce ideas off each

[Jeevan Matharu]: other

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: there’s something called the master mind principle

isn’t everything can grow rich where two minds

[Jeevan Matharu]: create a third

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jeevan Matharu]: invisible mind

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know me you yourself when you’re

with m jones or smith the connection is

[Jeevan Matharu]: very different and your ideas with that

person are very different

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: so maybe you d need to find

some one different to speak with

[Nick McGowan]: yeah absolutely and you hit it on

hit on the right topic there with you

[Nick McGowan]: got to be mindful of who it

is that you talk to about certain things

[Nick McGowan]: i know there are certain people

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: that say i don’t want to burden

people but that is also real thing if

[Nick McGowan]: somebody is super close to you like

your your spouse or your partner or even

[Nick McGowan]: your best friend

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh

[Nick McGowan]: shouldn’t be the one that takes all

of those so it can be easy to

[Nick McGowan]: get a therapist or coach or somebody

that’s just outside that has the ability to

[Nick McGowan]: ask the right questions i’d say it’s

easier to find a coach that can do

[Nick McGowan]: that because that’s part of our jam

that’s what we do is to ask the

[Nick McGowan]: right questions some people can also find

therapist that can take you a while to

[Nick McGowan]: find the right one but being able

to ask the right questions is super helpful

[Nick McGowan]: and do you have any resources or

thoughts or advice for somebody that can start

[Nick McGowan]: asking some of the right questions even

for themselves to be able to help themselves

[Nick McGowan]: at least a little bit right now

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah i mean again we talked about

things being very very per spoke so if

[Jeevan Matharu]: we were to say you’ve got let’s

talk about to end of the scale there’s

[Jeevan Matharu]: problems and then there’s things that you

want to improve on so problems could be

[Jeevan Matharu]: that you know you’re going through a

bad break up or you’ve been you’ve been

[Jeevan Matharu]: sucked from work or you’ve been able

london so

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: they’re the sort of negative base problem

that people go through the other side ideas

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know as we talked about before

is that let’s say you’re a salesman and

[Jeevan Matharu]: your tenth in the ranking list of

a hundred salesmen business and you want to

[Jeevan Matharu]: move to number one how do you

up that level so one is improvement and

[Jeevan Matharu]: one is trying to get over or

improve a negative situation start with a negative

[Jeevan Matharu]: first the question you should be asking

is well what positives can come from this

[Jeevan Matharu]: so let’s say you’ve been able

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: undo or you’ve

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: lost a job did you even like

the job in the first place

[Nick McGowan]: uh

[Jeevan Matharu]: you know what are you upset about

you’re upset about the fact that you’re not

[Jeevan Matharu]: bringing in an income or that you

actually love the job and you’re missing that

[Jeevan Matharu]: so

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: first of all hich one of those

is true another question well now that you’ve

[Jeevan Matharu]: freed from time what could i do

moving forward

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: what is my passion what other opportunities

could i be taking on board who in

[Jeevan Matharu]: my network circle could i lean upon

or use not not using obviously negative way

[Jeevan Matharu]: but as a collaborate with to

[Nick McGowan]: sure

[Jeevan Matharu]: to start something what business have i

been wanting to start the up and start

[Jeevan Matharu]: could i travel the world so the

all questions that come off the back of

[Jeevan Matharu]: blsmbonther sad the other end of the

scale is

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: the improvement side so again you know

from moving from number ten let’s say best

[Jeevan Matharu]: salesman in the business to number one

questions could be but what’s the number one

[Jeevan Matharu]: guy doing that i’m not doing is

he does he speak better than you is

[Jeevan Matharu]: he better looking than you is has

he been at the business for longer

[Nick McGowan]: um

[Jeevan Matharu]: does he work longer than hours

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: than you does he have preferential treatment

from those within the business and then the

[Jeevan Matharu]: secondary questions off there as well so

let’s say that he does get preferential treatment

[Jeevan Matharu]: from those within the business great how

could you get that preferential treatment is the

[Jeevan Matharu]: guy that makes the decision

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: friend or a foe if he’s a

foe how can you make him a friend

[Jeevan Matharu]: what can you offer him but what

scratches his back everyone’s got a thumb screw

[Jeevan Matharu]: i think it was for laws of

power by robert green so robert green says

[Jeevan Matharu]: every man has his thumb screw which

means their weakness or something that they are

[Jeevan Matharu]: something that really ticks with them if

that makes sense so if someone into horse

[Jeevan Matharu]: race and you say i’ve got the

spare ticket

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: for horse racing you act to go

in that’s the guy that’s going to help

[Jeevan Matharu]: you maybe that might start

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: spark relationship so i mean there’s infinite

questions in it there’s no

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: this question is really going to help

it’s a case of you sitting down and

[Jeevan Matharu]: saying okay pen paper works great yeah

this is my problem or this is what

[Jeevan Matharu]: i want to improve on questions subsequent

questions subsequent questions action points the only way

[Jeevan Matharu]: it can work and you know

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: if you aren’t finding the right questions

get rid of all destructions meditate maybe before

[Jeevan Matharu]: you go to bed and then right

down the questions

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: meditation i tend to use this metaphor

so i know in the states you have

[Jeevan Matharu]: a post box outside the front of

your house and you want to drive like

[Jeevan Matharu]: a post box on

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: the road where you put your letters


[Nick McGowan]: yep

[Jeevan Matharu]: if you don’t clear that post box

out it’s filled full of letters and there’s

[Jeevan Matharu]: too much information in there meditation is

much like clearing out that letter box so

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’ve got a clear mind a clear

letter box

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: that allows new information and new letters

to come in so once you’ve cleared your

[Jeevan Matharu]: mind you’ll be surprised if the ideas

that come to mind you you know what

[Jeevan Matharu]: i didn’t i don’t think about that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: pen and paper mark raliswas i don’t

like throw around the word hero or legend

[Jeevan Matharu]: very often because they are vastly over

used but he’s

[Nick McGowan]: was close though

[Jeevan Matharu]: person that don’t sorry sorry

[Nick McGowan]: he was close i mean he was

pretty much a hero back in the day

[Jeevan Matharu]: a this is it so so he’s

you know philosopher emprostoic i don’t know i

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’ve read his two

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: into meditations but so of stuff in

there is just ridiculous he’s so elequelt with

[Nick McGowan]: oh my gosh

[Jeevan Matharu]: his understanding

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: of the psyche and how things work


[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: to ofvouslycover the point i was i

was going to mention with gaston markets he

[Jeevan Matharu]: used to say well at night time

you need to look at what did you

[Jeevan Matharu]: learn today what could you have improved

on maybe right down in the journal yet

[Jeevan Matharu]: when you actually

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: sleep your mind is processing all this

information i don’t know about you but i’ve

[Jeevan Matharu]: had this experience where i’ve woke up

in the morning and the idea is come

[Jeevan Matharu]: this is what i need to do

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: i know that’s the right answer so

if you can clear your mind before you

[Jeevan Matharu]: go to sleep and give your mind

a chance to work at its optimum level

[Jeevan Matharu]: you’ll be surprised

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: how fast answers come to you and

lo sometimes life doesn’t go as planned but

[Jeevan Matharu]: there’s always good things that can come

from that always there’s always

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: a positive jim runs put this the

best let’s say that you’re sitting in the

[Jeevan Matharu]: most beautiful location looking out the window

and there i don’t know the sand and

[Jeevan Matharu]: the sea or mountains or whatever it

may be don’t be the guy who complains

[Jeevan Matharu]: about the specks on the window of

all the

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: positives that are

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: there don’t look at that one ne

negative situation again if you’ve got loads negative

[Jeevan Matharu]: situations or problems with your life look

at the one positive you’ve broken up i

[Jeevan Matharu]: move on what did you like about

that relationship and what was missing that you

[Jeevan Matharu]: could maybe find in your

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: next one look and focus on that

positive if you focus on negatives negative things

[Jeevan Matharu]: focus on positive the positive things so

as a man thinkers james allen you know

[Jeevan Matharu]: you are what you think about all

day long you yourself as a champion you

[Jeevan Matharu]: will become one or so you don’t

become one at least you will do the

[Jeevan Matharu]: actions and the routines that will give

you the strongest likehood of becoming one at

[Jeevan Matharu]: some point that makes sense

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Nick McGowan]: and i appreciate you being on the

show i appreciate you getting into as much

[Nick McGowan]: detail as you’ve gotten into we’re about

time to wrap up but i want to

[Nick McGowan]: ask is there one piece of advice

that you’d give somebody that’s on their

[Jeevan Matharu]: yeah

[Nick McGowan]: path towards self mastery

[Jeevan Matharu]: oh i just think you’ve got to

have the right dedication and you’ve got to

[Jeevan Matharu]: want to do it for yourself not

for anyone else if we look at a

[Jeevan Matharu]: tree

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: as an example

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: trees tend to grow to the highest

strong as they can be so when when

[Jeevan Matharu]: the seed is planted it will grow

as tall as it can go humans don’t

[Jeevan Matharu]: tend to do that

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: they will smoke they’ll

[Nick McGowan]: h

[Jeevan Matharu]: drink they’ll eat fried chicken and dona

meat and all the rest of it why

[Jeevan Matharu]: not become more like a tree would

it not

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: be great to see what you could

accomplish if you were to fill your potential

[Jeevan Matharu]: if you could fill your potential you


[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: provide more for your kid your spouse

you you look after your parents you could

[Jeevan Matharu]: travel to all these locations that you

wanted to your bucket list could be ticked

[Jeevan Matharu]: off you know there’s so much that

could happen from fulfilling your potential and the

[Jeevan Matharu]: only way to do that is to

understand what your potential is be dedicated disciplined

[Jeevan Matharu]: and have a plan of action and

if obviously you need assistance with direction that’s

[Jeevan Matharu]: where your friend your family or a

coach comes in to help you navigate through

[Jeevan Matharu]: that

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: first sings versus you need to have

the aspiration first and foremost as we talked

[Jeevan Matharu]: about with the architect to design and

build a house you need to have you

[Jeevan Matharu]: need to have in your mind the

person that you want to become

[Nick McGowan]: yeah

[Jeevan Matharu]: and reverse engineer it that way you

know if i want to become a pofessional

[Jeevan Matharu]: sucsucerplayer as you guys call it

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: there’s no point in me playing the

cross every day is

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: because those actions and those dreams have

no correlation

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: so a lot of the time people

are doing that they want to be an

[Jeevan Matharu]: aston and they’re working in an min

o i mean the chance of view becoming

[Jeevan Matharu]: nat from working an

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: man job is the cypricalof

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: infinity it’s never going to happen so

you’ve got to give yourself the strongest likelihood

[Nick McGowan]: hm

[Jeevan Matharu]: of

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: what you’re after

[Nick McGowan]: m

[Jeevan Matharu]: recurring

[Nick McGowan]: wat

[Jeevan Matharu]: it might even occur but you’ve got

to play the percentages that’s probably my final

[Jeevan Matharu]: advice

[Nick McGowan]: that’s good stuff man well again i

appreciate you being on where can people find

[Nick McGowan]: and connect with you

[Jeevan Matharu]: so i’m sure you’ll probably share it

on the sort of bio with the podcast

[Jeevan Matharu]: in terms of the coaching side vanquished

transformation al coaching which obvious you can find

[Jeevan Matharu]: on google again the link will be

in the bio books wise become a person

[Jeevan Matharu]: of value is on amazon world wide

so you can get a hard copy or

[Jeevan Matharu]: book there new book will be out

towards the end of the year so i

[Jeevan Matharu]: have to keep an eye

[Nick McGowan]: oh

[Jeevan Matharu]: for that guys but yeah that’s the

best way to keep in touch

[Nick McGowan]: it’s awesome an we’ll get van thank

you for being on the show appreciate your

[Nick McGowan]: time

[Jeevan Matharu]: thanks very much nick thanks for having

me and it’s been a fantastic conversation

[Jeevan Matharu]: we are yeah

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