Episode summary: Clarissa Burt has achieved a lot from being a supermodel to being on the game show “Survivor”, and being a producer. She wasn’t born into the spotlight and worked against everything she was taught.
Coming from a home with abuse and alcohol, they were taught that children are to be seen, not heard. Clarissa sang in the school play in kindergarten and she was hooked. She felt seen and heard on stage.
From there, she kept getting on stage with plays and even landed a modeling gig in New York. They sent her to do some work in Paris but she was homesick and decided to come home. Quitting modeling, she became a temporary secretary.
They had sent her to Revlon. Looking at all the modeling photos, she knew she messed up and was willing to do whatever it takes to get back into modeling.
She saved up all her money from this temp job, booked a one-way ticket to Europe, met with an Italian Agent, and before she knew it, her picture was in the hall at Revlon.
Guest Name & Bio: Clarissa Burt is an internationally acclaimed award-winning media personality, producer, director, writer, author, public speaker and former supermodel and winner of the Celebrity Survivor show!
With hundreds of television and film credits to her name, this Who’s Who of International and American Women brings over 35 years of entertainment industry experience in both International and American markets.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPTION
[Nick McGowan]: Hey Clarissa welcome to theshow how you doing?
[Clarissa Burt]: i’m doing awesome today how about you [Nick McGowan]: good good know you’re not in yournormal space that you’re in but i appreciate
[Nick McGowan]: your being on on here i waslookin through your website looking through all the
[Nick McGowan]: stuff that you sent over to meand i’m really excited to be able to
[Nick McGowan]: get into the conversation at we’re goingto get into because i feel like you’ve
[Nick McGowan]: got a lot of stuff that you’ve [Clarissa Burt]: uh [Nick McGowan]: been through and that’s probably just asimple generality right
[Clarissa Burt]: funny when people say that you knowyou have to you’ve got you’ve done so
[Clarissa Burt]: much you got to be old todo a
[Nick McGowan]: uh [Clarissa Burt]: you know it always [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: it just kind [Nick McGowan]: uh [Clarissa Burt]: of comes back around [Nick McGowan]: uh [Clarissa Burt]: know how many how [Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: many earth years i’ve got on me [Nick McGowan]: well you know that’s that’s fine thatyou take it there i’m not trying to
[Nick McGowan]: take it [Clarissa Burt]: as [Nick McGowan]: there at all it’s funny and tothe audience it’s not like she’s a hundred
[Clarissa Burt]: take [Nick McGowan]: and [Clarissa Burt]: so [Nick McGowan]: forty [Clarissa Burt]: much [Nick McGowan]: years old [Clarissa Burt]: i’ve [Nick McGowan]: like [Clarissa Burt]: been around a long [Nick McGowan]: ye [Clarissa Burt]: time you know [Nick McGowan]: yeah i remember when jesus created [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: the planet you know it was aninteresting day we were all you know
[Clarissa Burt]: nob [Nick McGowan]: having barbecue [Clarissa Burt]: was [Nick McGowan]: and [Clarissa Burt]: on [Nick McGowan]: wondering [Clarissa Burt]: noah’s [Nick McGowan]: what the [Clarissa Burt]: ark so there [Nick McGowan]: to she [Clarissa Burt]: uh [Nick McGowan]: to and i’m sure we’ll get intosome
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: of that so i don’t want totake away from getting into that why don’t
[Nick McGowan]: you tell us what do you doand what’s one thing that most people don’t
[Nick McGowan]: know about you that’s a little oddor bizarre
[Clarissa Burt]: because i don’t know one of thethings i think a lot of people to
[Clarissa Burt]: know about me is that i wantsurvivor
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: so that was kind of cool beingon
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: the celebrity version of italian survivor [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: ten years ago being on an islandin nikeragua with you know of kids ate
[Clarissa Burt]: a lot younger than me was alot of
[Nick McGowan]: so [Clarissa Burt]: fun you know it was one ofthose kinds of why did you do it
[Clarissa Burt]: well because i could you [Nick McGowan]: a [Clarissa Burt]: know i’m not married i don’t havekids i have you know cactus here in
[Clarissa Burt]: phoenix arizona [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so i can get up and leaveany time i want and and i really
[Clarissa Burt]: didn’t want to do it i saidknow a hundred times and they talked me
[Clarissa Burt]: into it and i said let’s doit and it was really it was interesting
[Clarissa Burt]: because what i did learn there whenyou’re talking about you leavin the audience with
[Clarissa Burt]: you know some of those you knowkind of like golden nuggets and that is
[Clarissa Burt]: really honestly you can’t trust anybody andi don’t
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: mean that truly i mean i don’tsay that to like
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: be no just [Nick McGowan]: right in the beginning of this [Clarissa Burt]: just be really extra special careful becauseyou know all the aline you can create
[Clarissa Burt]: all the alliances that you want [Nick McGowan]: right [Clarissa Burt]: all your long and all life longand something so going
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: to happen there’s always there’re always gonnabe triggers are always gonna be differences there’s
[Clarissa Burt]: always gonna be something that somebody’s going [Nick McGowan]: at [Clarissa Burt]: to throw at you and and that’swhere you know the real work of the
[Clarissa Burt]: self esteem you know comes nd it’show you handle it
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: like that i mean are you stilla
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: class actor do you become a completeasshole
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: so [Nick McGowan]: yeah which ties into mindset [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you know how do you handle whensomebody’s braiding you and you go you sucking
[Nick McGowan]: kid me but you can’t you can’tget back at
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: them in that sort of way [Clarissa Burt]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: and now there’s a lot of piecesthat you’ve gone through in that sort of
[Nick McGowan]: sense so why don’t we just divestraight into it you know there’s there’s some
[Nick McGowan]: of the things that you’ve gone throughspecifically self esteem wise
[Clarissa Burt]: hm [Nick McGowan]: and then i’m sure there are specificthings that you can look back at and
[Nick McGowan]: say my mindset shift helped me orreally hindered me in that spot so let’s
[Nick McGowan]: start with that [Clarissa Burt]: yes [Nick McGowan]: were there any key moments or somethingthat pops up that you’re like right there
[Nick McGowan]: was a pivotal moment where because ofmy mindset shift either went down a path
[Nick McGowan]: in a negative way or ativeway [Clarissa Burt]: you know when i first started modellingi got into first all had gone to
[Clarissa Burt]: paris first of all i was iwas in new york and i got signed
[Clarissa Burt]: by [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: an agency back in the eighties andit was great thought that was great and
[Clarissa Burt]: they sent me to paris i didn’tget along real well paris and i didn’t
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: get along so well i was homesicki mean i
[Nick McGowan]: my [Clarissa Burt]: was a kid and i wanted togo home
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: and i wind up being a secretaryi’m back in new york city
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: you know because i lived in newjersey at the time back in
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: new york city and i go toa temporary secretary agency secretarial agency
[Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: and they send me to rev lancorporate now you talk
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: about a strange turn of events thatwas really the was almost cruel of the
[Clarissa Burt]: universe to sent [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: me here i’m like [Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: i’m [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: sitting read hard and i’m looking aroundwalls and all of these super models with
[Clarissa Burt]: you know the beautiful make up [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: and damn it i really screwed parisup i was there for like ten months
[Clarissa Burt]: i just couldn’t i just didn’t itwasn’t my vie i just couldn’t do paris
[Clarissa Burt]: for some reason [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: back in the day um and so [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: anyway i’m looking at these walls i’mgonna really screw this up make myself enough
[Clarissa Burt]: money from that job to buy another [Nick McGowan]: what [Clarissa Burt]: one way ticket back to europe andi had you know
[Nick McGowan]: nice [Clarissa Burt]: a few years had passed now iwasn’t you know i was like twenty one
[Clarissa Burt]: now and [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: and i go back up the willinand they had the italian agent like the
[Clarissa Burt]: italian agent he says [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: and then you want the ukon [Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: co it so i did i wentto milan
[Nick McGowan]: yes [Clarissa Burt]: and that’s where it really started forme and within
[Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: two years my picture was on thewalls at revlan
[Nick McGowan]: whoa [Clarissa Burt]: so this is one [Nick McGowan]: wow [Clarissa Burt]: of those kind of moments when yougo okay hold on hold up
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: hold on there sparkles as they sayyou know
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: don’t ever ever ever ever think thatyour first chance was your last chance you
[Clarissa Burt]: know don’t ever think that this issomething that if it happens once you know
[Clarissa Burt]: you screwed it up [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: fix it you know what we’re allgoing to make mistake you know i like
[Clarissa Burt]: to talk about you fail being yourfirst attempt in learning right and i was
[Clarissa Burt]: learning [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: a whole bunch back there i stilllearned i’m sixty three and i’m still learning
[Clarissa Burt]: a bunch of stuff every day butback then you know there was there was
[Clarissa Burt]: a bunch of [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: learn curves that were going on andi didn’t have there wasn’t a lot of
[Clarissa Burt]: support around me so i just wentahead and did all the mistakes that i
[Clarissa Burt]: could and then you know for wherever [Nick McGowan]: knock [Clarissa Burt]: i [Nick McGowan]: them [Clarissa Burt]: could [Nick McGowan]: all out [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: so why don’t you give us alittle bit more context for the audience because
[Nick McGowan]: i think we just jump straight intothe model now super model so the audience
[Nick McGowan]: might be and you’re saying who ami talking to because now we’re pictures on
[Nick McGowan]: the wall so rev lan so [Clarissa Burt]: okay [Nick McGowan]: how did we get here [Clarissa Burt]: little christie bert out of philadelphia pensylvaniafrom a regular you know middle class family
[Clarissa Burt]: row home in collingdale and philadelphia [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: and you know [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: the background that needle tribe was alittle they were brutal it was a little
[Clarissa Burt]: tough at home so we had mom [Nick McGowan]: delcais not for everyone [Clarissa Burt]: twelve years to the nuns dad twelveyears to the
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: priests know a lot of [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: children are supposed [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: to be seen and not heard anda lot of violence in the house there
[Clarissa Burt]: was now [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: there was drinking and violence and that’swhere i started to learn that you know
[Clarissa Burt]: we were kansas anymore [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so there were going to be some [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: very difficult times and roads i cameout of that house with p t s
[Clarissa Burt]: d for sure for sure [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: so there were a lot of thingsthat i had to learn about love and
[Clarissa Burt]: life and relationships and trust and [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: right and wrong so that’s where itall started that’s i was and i was
[Clarissa Burt]: mary poppins in the kinder garden playi think we’ll throw that in there also
[Clarissa Burt]: because what [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: really wasn’t what i really [Nick McGowan]: okay [Clarissa Burt]: found that gave me if you willsome solace and it was it was the
[Clarissa Burt]: recognition from being [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: on stage i mean when i heardafter i got done singing super calaprogelistic x
[Clarissa Burt]: dosia and i heard my first applausei was hooked that was it
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: that’s all i needed so i havebeen living basically almost all of my life
[Clarissa Burt]: on stage and in front of amicrophone it started out with modeling but then
[Clarissa Burt]: you know well being many different thingsbut it’s been you know these were the
[Clarissa Burt]: beginnings you know this again the dayill tribe that where you’re first you’re first
[Clarissa Burt]: formed and that’s [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: a lot of that you take withyou for the rest of your life unless
[Clarissa Burt]: you really fall in love with personaldevelopment you fall in love with self
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: help you fall in love with wantingto get the i call it self help
[Clarissa Burt]: it ain’t shelf [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: help right it’s [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: not supposed [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: to be sitting on the shelf you’renot supposed to bring it home and not
[Clarissa Burt]: read it it’s you know it takesthe courage that it takes to you to
[Clarissa Burt]: want to go down [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: that path and [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: and that’s where it all started forme yeah
[Nick McGowan]: you and i both know that that’snot something where the personal development stuff doesn’t
[Nick McGowan]: just pop up one day where you’relike oh shit i should go read this
[Nick McGowan]: book by [Clarissa Burt]: ye [Nick McGowan]: zig zigler or i should go dothis thing or what have you it’s typical
[Nick McGowan]: always somebody that has opened the doorfor you in some sort of situation that
[Nick McGowan]: opened door for you i i grewup in glen old and in prospect park
[Nick McGowan]: we didn’t we didn’t know that aswe got into
[Clarissa Burt]: grand [Nick McGowan]: this but [Clarissa Burt]: parents [Nick McGowan]: now you do [Clarissa Burt]: lived in glen olden [Nick McGowan]: yeah funny you know it’s [Clarissa Burt]: my [Nick McGowan]: interesting how del co [Clarissa Burt]: as [Nick McGowan]: there’s there’s a stigma about del coand how we just are very hard working
[Nick McGowan]: people [Clarissa Burt]: yes [Nick McGowan]: but for the most part what iexperienced was a if it was just put
[Nick McGowan]: fucking dirt on it stand up getup get back to
[Clarissa Burt]: that’s [Nick McGowan]: work [Clarissa Burt]: right [Nick McGowan]: put dirt on it and get backup on so i know that that’s not
[Nick McGowan]: typically one of those easy shifts togo you know what let’s re think this
[Nick McGowan]: let’s look at the way we’re doing [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: things that’s not typically the mo andit doesn’t sound like it was how you
[Nick McGowan]: were raised at all so tell usa bit about how you got into that
[Nick McGowan]: because i know that’s a transformative uhtransformationalphase of life that really prepells you into
[Nick McGowan]: something where you’re at now [Clarissa Burt]: well you know you know again theformation being children would be seen and not
[Clarissa Burt]: heard [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: wait a minute children are supposed tobe set and not heard and i made
[Clarissa Burt]: my life basically on stage and infront of a microphone
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: my [Nick McGowan]: being [Clarissa Burt]: mother [Nick McGowan]: seen unheard [Clarissa Burt]: my mother who absolutely just couldn’t takea picture of the woman she hated taking
[Clarissa Burt]: her picture taken and she oh mygod she stayed away from the camera her
[Clarissa Burt]: entire [Nick McGowan]: huh [Clarissa Burt]: life what did i do i wentand i worked in front of the camera
[Clarissa Burt]: my father now you might remember thisfrom back in the day we were irish
[Clarissa Burt]: right so you know there were lotsof you know and god forgive me i
[Clarissa Burt]: don’t mean to say but back inthe day there were a lot of dagos
[Clarissa Burt]: and a lot of wops that andget along with the irish advice
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: versa right [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: so what did i do i movedto italy so i moved to italy
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: work in front of a camera rightand and and so i already
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: in my own very special way withoutbeing angry with anyone or anyone being angry
[Clarissa Burt]: with me completely [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: turned the tables on what it wasthat had learned a lot of the other
[Clarissa Burt]: things i had learned good manners andand
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: those are the things that served mebut what didn’t serve me was don’t take
[Clarissa Burt]: my picture and the races at allthat i never served i don’t think it
[Clarissa Burt]: serves anybody’s [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so yeah you [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: have to be able to know againwhen they try they’ll give you what they
[Clarissa Burt]: got you’re always going to go forchristmas dinner an you’re going to love them
[Clarissa Burt]: all ways but not everything they teachyou is going to serve you so and
[Clarissa Burt]: i can [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: see same thing for your faith ican say the same thing for the educative
[Clarissa Burt]: process you know the friends you makein college
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: and university i can say the samething for the books that you read the
[Clarissa Burt]: people you hang out with and theyhave transit and through the years right you’re
[Clarissa Burt]: not hanging out the same people [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: that you did ten years ago ortwenty years ago because you’re
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: a different person because your path hashas has taken on your path is probably
[Clarissa Burt]: more about your truth now and whatworks for you doesn’t
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: and if it isn’t yet if you’restill
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: figuring that all out then you knowget into the personal development section
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: it warns a noble when i [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: was a kid we had wall sowe had boarded books and we had borne
[Clarissa Burt]: noble and there was like [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: one bin that was about self helpright and i lived i lived there now
[Clarissa Burt]: as a billion dollar industry you knowpersonal development i mean you’re gonna want
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: ward a noble now is like isles [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: and isles and isles that never endof of self help and personal development my
[Clarissa Burt]: crowning glory if you don’t mind ifi a little ragbeise you know i’m in
[Clarissa Burt]: born a noble now with the selfesteem regime and my last name being bert
[Clarissa Burt]: i’m like right next to tania brownberne brown these are girls that
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: opera i’m right [Nick McGowan]: nice [Clarissa Burt]: next to pock opera and dr joedispenser so you can imagine that for me
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: to be like you know on theshelf with the titans of the personal development
[Clarissa Burt]: industry [Nick McGowan]: sue [Clarissa Burt]: it’s come full circle for me let’sjust put it that way
[Nick McGowan]: i bet it’s kind of humbling attimes to think i can even see i
[Nick McGowan]: can see in your face now whereit’s still like
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: that’s real but it’s not something likeif you do life right you shouldn’t be
[Nick McGowan]: able to script it [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you shouldn’t be able to [Clarissa Burt]: exactly [Nick McGowan]: you can think of these things andyou can say i want all this stuff
[Nick McGowan]: but if you do it right andyou actually put the energy out there
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: bigger things are going to happen crazierthings
[Clarissa Burt]: no doubt [Nick McGowan]: so i love that for you imean i get fckingchills just even thinking about
[Nick McGowan]: that [Clarissa Burt]: thank [Nick McGowan]: ship [Clarissa Burt]: you very much [Nick McGowan]: that’s so awesome [Clarissa Burt]: so [Nick McGowan]: you also you talked about not trustingpeople and i want to get back to
[Nick McGowan]: that because what i’m understanding from whatyou’re saying it’s not a matter not trusting
[Nick McGowan]: but it’s a matter of not justtaking things at face value and just saying
[Nick McGowan]: well this is kind of the gospeland that’s how i’m going to run with
[Nick McGowan]: it [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and doing what you want with it [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: like what you’re doing to be ableto say well we got a thing against
[Nick McGowan]: italians hero i’m going to go toitaly and i’m going to go and sing
[Nick McGowan]: and [Clarissa Burt]: yes [Nick McGowan]: talk to people and be in frontof people all the anti things you don’t
[Clarissa Burt]: kay [Nick McGowan]: want me to do [Clarissa Burt]: oh no [Nick McGowan]: so it’s interesting how you put thattogether looking back at that now thinking about
[Nick McGowan]: how you don’t trust people or takethings at a face value how do you
[Nick McGowan]: how do you kind of walk throughlife thinking about that and exploring new adventures
[Clarissa Burt]: because i understand now i understand ithink i’m rather empathic as well i
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: really want [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: you know when i was a kidwhen i was a kid in school i
[Clarissa Burt]: didn’t really like going out to recessi was never really the joiner i tried
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: that click stuff it just wasn’t mygig and so i would go out if
[Clarissa Burt]: i was out in the playground iwould be with the under dog the one
[Clarissa Burt]: kid that nobody wanted to have anythingto do with making fun of it and
[Clarissa Burt]: didn’t want to play with right afterthat i started to go up to the
[Clarissa Burt]: kinnegarden classes and i was like secondthird fourth grade and here i’m like trotting
[Clarissa Burt]: up [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: because because i found i found myimportance if you will in helping every the
[Clarissa Burt]: kids helping the teacher mark papers [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: helping the kids by reading to themlike whatever it was i only had forty
[Clarissa Burt]: five minutes for recess but that’s howi spent my time you know and so
[Clarissa Burt]: the idea that i think it wasabout taking the high road and i just
[Clarissa Burt]: created me [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: a little acronymand little acrnym and it’sit’s honesty
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: integrity its greatness and honor and iknow i sound like you know i’m not
[Clarissa Burt]: a military bread i’m just saying thosefour for me are values that if we
[Clarissa Burt]: could [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: all bring to the table like practicego honesty honesty with yourself honesty
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: with everybody else oh my god kindof world would this be can you imagine
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: what would be bringing to the tableum
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: integrity [Nick McGowan]: man [Clarissa Burt]: your moral principles your [Nick McGowan]: mhm [Clarissa Burt]: values like biggest word in my vocabularyis integrity greatness and you can change that
[Clarissa Burt]: with gratitude if you want you wantedto be gratitude that’s great we take the
[Clarissa Burt]: two gs here and we don’t discriminateand then it’s honor you know like who
[Clarissa Burt]: are you when nobody else is inthe room i got to tell
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: you a story you love the storyi’m gonna tell you this story so i’m
[Clarissa Burt]: doing i’m doing survivor and and iwas already older i’m like fifty three already
[Clarissa Burt]: and you know like and i’m likei’m like i didn’t want to even do
[Clarissa Burt]: the show so i’m like so inthe background my mother and my sister didn’t
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: think i was on the show forthe first couple weeks a couple of weeks
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: we had you know the pretty thepretty girls and the bikinis you now the
[Clarissa Burt]: younger chicks were out and in thefour right
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so we have to do this oneexercise one day when we have to get
[Clarissa Burt]: on that hello copter [Nick McGowan]: okay [Clarissa Burt]: and so here we are at thehellapad and the girls get the guy that’s
[Clarissa Burt]: you know the pilot of the helicopterand they go can you go into the
[Clarissa Burt]: little you know hut over there andbuy us something to eat because we’re in
[Clarissa Burt]: nicaragua and he goes and he comesback with this paper bag full of stuff
[Clarissa Burt]: to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: eat so i’m in the front thetwo girls are in the back and they’re
[Clarissa Burt]: like oh thank you thank you they’re [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: doing and i get it’s cool it’sfine and
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: they’re doing the whole thing and i’min the front and i get this tap
[Clarissa Burt]: on my shoulder and i turn aroundand they’re handing me some of the food
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: i want [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: oh no thanks thanks thanks no thanksno i hadn’t eaten in weeks i had
[Clarissa Burt]: literally lost twenty pounds on this islandthat while
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: i was there but there were rulesto the game
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: and it was honesty [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: and dishonesty [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: what was the right thing to doand what is the right thing to do
[Clarissa Burt]: i mean i was hungry and nobodywould have ever known the three
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: of us i would have known [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: they would have known so when [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: i said no thank you it immediatelyit immediately there was this like divide because
[Nick McGowan]: h [Clarissa Burt]: remember the game is [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: all about winning right it tell tell [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: talent you know telling [Nick McGowan]: cool [Clarissa Burt]: on everybody not telling on anybody youcan do whatever you want
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: i don’t agree but they looked atme differently because they were like oh my
[Clarissa Burt]: god she’s going to say something she’sgo telling us
[Nick McGowan]: she [Clarissa Burt]: we’re going [Nick McGowan]: knows [Clarissa Burt]: to be a big trouble [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: or who [Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: the hell she think she is nowlike there was there was a couple of
[Clarissa Burt]: different ways that this whole thing gonedown
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: and i still to this day ican look at myself in the mirror and
[Clarissa Burt]: know that i always i always atleast try in perfect am i but i
[Clarissa Burt]: always try to take [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: the high road [Nick McGowan]: it’s huge and what a test inthat moment i mean it’s probably easier to
[Nick McGowan]: be able to talk about it nowbecause you’re not in that temptation moment
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but in that moment you’re like it’sbeen a while like
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: oh my god i could but imagine [Clarissa Burt]: it’s awesome [Nick McGowan]: um [Clarissa Burt]: it was awesome though it was greatit was a great moment as a great
[Clarissa Burt]: testament [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: to to me for myself you know [Nick McGowan]: sure [Clarissa Burt]: sometimes you have to really know wehave our akalasond our successes and we’re doing
[Clarissa Burt]: good [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: but [Nick McGowan]: i [Clarissa Burt]: when is it that you really everprove your true self to your
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: true self [Nick McGowan]: or at least show your true self [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: to yourself [Clarissa Burt]: yes [Nick McGowan]: so throughout that time what did youlearn managing your mindset through that and i
[Nick McGowan]: can almost guarantee it shaped you insome sort of way so how did it
[Nick McGowan]: shape you yeah [Clarissa Burt]: you know i think in that instanceit was i was extremely proud
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: i knew that you know [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: it’s always easy to lie it’s alwayseasier to take the easy way out just
[Clarissa Burt]: an easier thing [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: do it’s not necessarily the honest thingto do it’s not the thing that you
[Clarissa Burt]: know it’s not full of integrity whenyou take the easy way out it’s
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: not a way of living in greatnessand certainly it has nothing do with honor
[Clarissa Burt]: i like being i like being thoughtof as a woman of honor and i
[Clarissa Burt]: think [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: if more people were coming to thetable with
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: really strong values and living by [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: them you know ike swearing [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: m like i will like i’m drawinga line in the cement i’m not drawing
[Clarissa Burt]: a line [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: sand you know what i mean it’sa whole different
[Nick McGowan]: totally [Clarissa Burt]: mind set the whole gig is like [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: you know you get up in themorning your inspiration and your motivation and your
[Clarissa Burt]: working out you’re doing all the thingsyou’ve your affirm affirmations are great book is
[Clarissa Burt]: full of informations but one you canreally live by the values those true values
[Clarissa Burt]: that you set for yourself you’re bringinga better to you and you’re bringing a
[Clarissa Burt]: better to everyone else [Nick McGowan]: time yeah it’s a principle centered lifethat’s
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: what it’s about [Clarissa Burt]: col [Nick McGowan]: and i think it breaks out ina couple different pieces to that recipe though
[Nick McGowan]: where people need to understand that thereare the principles then they need to understand
[Nick McGowan]: what their own principles are and thenhow to use them and it’s not one
[Nick McGowan]: of those things like you had mentionededication it’s not something that talked about in
[Nick McGowan]: schools at least it wasn’t in [Clarissa Burt]: no [Nick McGowan]: del co [Clarissa Burt]: ah exactly [Nick McGowan]: your generation mind they didn’t talk aboutthat stuff
[Clarissa Burt]: so [Nick McGowan]: or teach [Clarissa Burt]: for [Nick McGowan]: you how to learn or to lookthrough the fallacies and the bullshit through it
[Nick McGowan]: so [Clarissa Burt]: what [Nick McGowan]: where do you think you got thatwas that something that was innate inside of
[Nick McGowan]: you or [Clarissa Burt]: understood [Nick McGowan]: that come from [Clarissa Burt]: well i think i understood from earlyearly age that it really hurts when
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: somebody is lying cheating and stealing [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: from you or [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: cheating on you are lying to you [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: or or defaming you in any waythe fame facing
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: defaming whatever the word proper word isit just hurts you know it really
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: hurts it’s not stand up and youknow it hurts you to the core so
[Clarissa Burt]: i think from the obviously the greatestthings some of the greatest things in life
[Clarissa Burt]: have grown from an immense amount ofpain and you have
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: to understand you can take pain intwo different directions you know you can take
[Clarissa Burt]: it right or left you can itright or wrong there’s there’s really no other
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: way around it and i understood itfrom early early and i think also what
[Clarissa Burt]: loyalty is and you know loyalty iswhen you have somebody’s back behind their back
[Clarissa Burt]: Nick [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: and that’s a huge one loyalty isright up there with you now honesty in
[Clarissa Burt]: tech the greatness and honor loyalty is [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: if you can stay at the coolyou know the water cooler and just jump
[Clarissa Burt]: in on the tribe mentality and youknow be trash in susie q okay but
[Clarissa Burt]: can you stand there and say youknow
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: what guys i know susy and idon’t know i think she’s kind of great
[Clarissa Burt]: so maybe she was just having abad day that day like advocate for someone
[Clarissa Burt]: else [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: maybe she was just having a badday they or you know like have we
[Clarissa Burt]: walked a mile in susaqusshoes have youdone that because until you do that you
[Clarissa Burt]: can’t [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: you can’t really so you know thewhole loyalty piece when when you do that
[Clarissa Burt]: again you’re setting yourself apart from thetribe so remember that the longest mile Nick
[Clarissa Burt]: is always sorry the longest mile isalways also the most lonely mile
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: can be the most [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: trash a smile but it’s definitely most [Nick McGowan]: h [Clarissa Burt]: lonely [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: so if you want a lot oftimes you know in order to be in
[Clarissa Burt]: leadership roles and to have a reallyreally strong positive mind set it can be
[Clarissa Burt]: a little lonely [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: little lonely [Nick McGowan]: absolutely i’m glad you bring [Clarissa Burt]: are [Nick McGowan]: that [Clarissa Burt]: you ready [Nick McGowan]: up [Clarissa Burt]: for that are you ready for that [Nick McGowan]: yeah i’m glad you bring that upbecause i feel like our audience experiences that
[Nick McGowan]: at times which at certain times willalso wash an impostor syndrome where
[Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: you go ship should i be herei supposed to be
[Clarissa Burt]: i suppose ye [Nick McGowan]: and i think for the most parteverybody i’ve talked to it’s like if you
[Nick McGowan]: really get to the core of itthey’re like we all don’t know what the
[Nick McGowan]: fuck is going on right now [Clarissa Burt]: well you [Nick McGowan]: we’re [Clarissa Burt]: need [Nick McGowan]: just [Clarissa Burt]: her [Nick McGowan]: trying to do the best we canyeah and it’s a matter of
[Clarissa Burt]: yes [Nick McGowan]: stemming from those principles because when you’rein those different moments like we can talk
[Nick McGowan]: a great game about things but it’s [Clarissa Burt]: as [Nick McGowan]: not until you’re in the moment whereyou act we have to show up and
[Nick McGowan]: you have to be integriss or youhave to have honor you have to do
[Nick McGowan]: that so if we’re to take alittle bit of a step back and you
[Nick McGowan]: could see that somebody is right aboutto walk into that what sort of advice
[Nick McGowan]: would you tell them as [Clarissa Burt]: ma [Nick McGowan]: they’re about [Clarissa Burt]: your [Nick McGowan]: to [Clarissa Burt]: emotional [Nick McGowan]: walk into that [Clarissa Burt]: intelligence manage [Nick McGowan]: awesome [Clarissa Burt]: your into into emotional intelligence [Nick McGowan]: okay [Clarissa Burt]: because the impostor styndrum is nothing morethan i’m doing good and i just don’t
[Clarissa Burt]: feel like i’m good enough to tellmyself i am because
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: many other people might might [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: give the accolade and the compliments andthe pats on the back and you still
[Clarissa Burt]: notwithstanding you’re gonna you know you wantto crap l over yourself and saying you
[Clarissa Burt]: know i don’t i just don’t yousee what they see what do they see
[Clarissa Burt]: that i don’t see because it doesn’tfeel that way to me so when you’re
[Clarissa Burt]: managing your your [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: emotional intelligence to your tour bill [Nick McGowan]: okay [Clarissa Burt]: to interpret and understand your emotions andthe sensations in your body it’s also i
[Clarissa Burt]: don’t know i just think it’s justit’s so damn important also because you
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: learn your triggers what does trigger [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: you and then [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: it’s like self awareness self [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: regulation and you have to be ableto you love yourself enough and that’s where
[Clarissa Burt]: the self esteem principles come in youknow
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: four pillars that look good feel goodbe good and greater good and when you’re
[Clarissa Burt]: look when you’re looking good we allknow that’s you know like self esteem one
[Clarissa Burt]: a one but you know you geta little
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: lilt in yours when you know youyou know you’re you know you’re looking
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: pretty good you know the fits niceyou’re looking you’re looking good look ud feel
[Clarissa Burt]: good feel good diet exercise nutrition atall we’re in brain health now exactly know
[Clarissa Burt]: how it all [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: works together and you’re taking care begood more you on with your relationship is
[Clarissa Burt]: how you doing with leadership how you’redoing with finances and everything else that is
[Clarissa Burt]: going on around in your life andthen we have the greater good and that
[Clarissa Burt]: is where you tie though you payforward pay it back o volunteer
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: do something good for somebody else sowhen you’re doing all that stuff there’s just
[Clarissa Burt]: no way you can’t be feeling goodabout yourself like
[Nick McGowan]: for real [Clarissa Burt]: to really [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: give yourself give you something to loveyourself first and you know we use mirror
[Clarissa Burt]: therapy in the book and i didn’tcreate it i learned the work from louise
[Clarissa Burt]: hays and even jack canfield had itin some of his works when you’re get
[Clarissa Burt]: in front of him and you startgetting in your own face and you start
[Clarissa Burt]: saying hey listen just want to tellyou i think you’re pretty damn amazing and
[Clarissa Burt]: love you and i do forgive youtoo at one time that you did or
[Clarissa Burt]: you said what eve were [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: that other i forgive you too [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: so i forgive you i love youyou’re amazing see you next time i mean
[Clarissa Burt]: you’re looking right into your own eyesyou’re digging down into your own
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: you into your own soul don’t waitfor they call it self esteem for a
[Clarissa Burt]: reason because you’re not supposed to bewaiting for everybody else
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: to be filling your [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: self esteem it’s your work it’s yourselfyou’re supposed to be working on forget what
[Clarissa Burt]: everybody else it’s none of your businesswhat everybody else thinks about you’ve heard this
[Clarissa Burt]: a million times [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: your business where everybody else thinks aboutyou your business though to know what you
[Clarissa Burt]: think about you so i tone [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: down really good on all the emotionalintelligence pieces yeah
[Nick McGowan]: that’s a great point and i thinkto add on what you were just saying
[Nick McGowan]: about looking at yourself at that pointa lot of people will just pop on
[Nick McGowan]: to social media and it’s difficult tobe able to look at yourself when you’re
[Nick McGowan]: looking at other people [Clarissa Burt]: what [Nick McGowan]: share what seems like magical moments intheir life and you’re just thumbing through and
[Nick McGowan]: thumbing through and thumbing through almost likeat times we an make it so much
[Nick McGowan]: difficult [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: so much more difficult for ourselves [Clarissa Burt]: s [Nick McGowan]: instead of just being able to kindof pull out from that so i’m glad
[Nick McGowan]: that you bring up being able totalk to yourself in the mirror i’ve talked
[Nick McGowan]: to different clients about that friends evenwhere they’re like i don’t i don’t want
[Nick McGowan]: to do that i’m like you antry it
[Clarissa Burt]: try [Nick McGowan]: try it [Clarissa Burt]: just [Nick McGowan]: and [Clarissa Burt]: do [Nick McGowan]: then [Clarissa Burt]: this [Nick McGowan]: back to me and tell [Clarissa Burt]: one [Nick McGowan]: me what you think [Clarissa Burt]: do a minute [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: you know you have to [Nick McGowan]: i’ve [Clarissa Burt]: like it [Nick McGowan]: never had anybody come back and belike yo i was complete more on
[Clarissa Burt]: so [Nick McGowan]: because even if they were they werelike but i love me and i talked
[Nick McGowan]: through things and here i am stay [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: and in my bathroom my wife’s likewhat are you doing so it’s always interesting
[Nick McGowan]: how that stuff works but it takesus actually doing that work so what does
[Nick McGowan]: your daily work look like as youdo your deep work
[Clarissa Burt]: my deeper work is you know meditationlittle meditation in the morning definitely i try
[Clarissa Burt]: to get at least a thirty minutework out in the morning you know when
[Clarissa Burt]: i can sometimes [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: i’m really too slam because i startworking with europe first the morning as well
[Nick McGowan]: got it [Clarissa Burt]: because i got a lot of thatgoing on so depending on what that day
[Clarissa Burt]: looks like i will try to getthat thirty minutes and definitely the water all
[Clarissa Burt]: the healthy stuff you know all thatmaking sure that all happens and then i
[Clarissa Burt]: allow myself i have a little bitof young food every once in a while
[Clarissa Burt]: because perfect i am not but andthen i have found recently especially in different
[Clarissa Burt]: case scenarios especially with work where peoplehave gone behind the bat you know people
[Clarissa Burt]: people or people and you know youjust got to love them where they’re at
[Clarissa Burt]: and [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: so and i didn’t always [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: do that you know i was iwas zero to sixty and two seconds like
[Clarissa Burt]: i got you know i could getmy irish up just like as quickly as
[Clarissa Burt]: anybody else you know you get yourirish up let me
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: get your gander up and means goesyou go zero to sixty and you tell
[Clarissa Burt]: somebody exactly what you think [Nick McGowan]: especially [Clarissa Burt]: about [Nick McGowan]: from del co [Clarissa Burt]: don’t do that anyway we don’t do [Nick McGowan]: uh [Clarissa Burt]: that i don’t do that any moreso i stop
[Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: stop i drop i think now [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: i think [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: it through [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: and i come from again i goback up to taking the high road again
[Clarissa Burt]: living in honor [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: and honesty and integrity and how wouldi want to be treated as well because
[Clarissa Burt]: people are you know people are faultywe are all faulty and we are going
[Clarissa Burt]: to make mistakes [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: i talk about oundaries and when italk about boundaries people think oh my god
[Clarissa Burt]: you got to get upset and pissedoff and let everybody know no you can
[Clarissa Burt]: do with esejinglorie and let everybody knowhow it is and you will and will
[Clarissa Burt]: not be treated that’s kind of thegig
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: right there right so um you knowthat is really important also for me it
[Clarissa Burt]: was like well how do i wantto be treated if somebody was yelling and
[Clarissa Burt]: screaming at me that doesn’t feel sogood
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: i remember it’s not cool and [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so i had to completely that’s whati learned i learned that anger was the
[Clarissa Burt]: way to get everything across an ihad to unlearn that you know my first
[Clarissa Burt]: chapter [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: my first chapter in here is releasewhat do you need to unlearn
[Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: so i had to unlearn all thatstuff in order to chapter two rebuild
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so i mean it’s pretty it’s areconstruction it’s just reconstruct and reconstruct simple as
[Clarissa Burt]: that [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: and sometimes you have to do thaton the daily and sometimes you might have
[Clarissa Burt]: to do it on the hourly youknow people
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: say to me i just read thebook why do i have because i have
[Clarissa Burt]: a master mind i’ve read the bookalready we have to read it again i
[Clarissa Burt]: don’t know do you think you haveanything you need to release in the last
[Clarissa Burt]: year [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: since you read it last [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: you know or do you have to [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: kind of rebuild anything at all inthe last year since you read it last
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: so yeah yes [Nick McGowan]: it’s huge i always appreciate hearing moredepth of the story that led to a
[Nick McGowan]: book because we as audience and listenersand readers only get the actual tangible book
[Nick McGowan]: the actual digital copy of it [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: but not the actual story that ledthrough each and every chapter
[Clarissa Burt]: well [Nick McGowan]: so what [Clarissa Burt]: we [Nick McGowan]: did [Clarissa Burt]: allow [Nick McGowan]: you learn [Clarissa Burt]: me to [Nick McGowan]: as you [Clarissa Burt]: read [Nick McGowan]: went [Clarissa Burt]: something [Nick McGowan]: through it [Clarissa Burt]: just real quick we allow me toread something
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Clarissa Burt]: that’s really quick so it comes fromthe acknowledgments i want to acknowledge the millions
[Clarissa Burt]: of people who all over the worldhave been abandoned abused beaten struck oppressed depressed
[Clarissa Burt]: distressed held back lied to cheated onlost betrayed deceived misled double crossed walked out
[Clarissa Burt]: on [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: stabbed in the back sold down theriver stolen from deserted discarded shunned cast out
[Clarissa Burt]: dropped dumped forgotten neglected rejected end ordejected do you think anybody on the planet
[Clarissa Burt]: that this isn’t a good pot for [Nick McGowan]: i’m pretty sure he covered everybody [Clarissa Burt]: s right [Nick McGowan]: living dead [Clarissa Burt]: everybody you know [Nick McGowan]: all of them [Clarissa Burt]: so again you know some of uscame from phenomenal background and greatest
[Nick McGowan]: sure [Clarissa Burt]: parents on the planet and some ofus were completely abandoned and left for you
[Clarissa Burt]: know so everyone has their story andyou the most beautiful thing but i think
[Clarissa Burt]: about all of this is that youget you know you get to be you
[Clarissa Burt]: like how damn lucky [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: are you [Nick McGowan]: hm [Clarissa Burt]: get to you you know you’re hiredsource universe you know you’re hired whatever you
[Clarissa Burt]: believe in that they knew exactly whatthey were doing they created you you have
[Clarissa Burt]: no right at all to be secondguests and what they did so just get
[Clarissa Burt]: on with it [Nick McGowan]: how [Clarissa Burt]: that’s [Nick McGowan]: dare you [Clarissa Burt]: that’s yeah exactly [Nick McGowan]: uh [Clarissa Burt]: that’s why i call it a regimebecause
[Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: the reime is an organized way ofdoing things just
[Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: do the damn work you put yourbig up boy riches on you put your
[Clarissa Burt]: big girl bridges on and do thework it’s going to be scary be scary
[Clarissa Burt]: and it’s going to take some couragelots of courage you know what so what
[Clarissa Burt]: just do [Nick McGowan]: yeah and what a pivotal moment ithink for the most part people that are
[Nick McGowan]: listening to this show have had oneor a couple of those moments how when
[Nick McGowan]: you get fucking pissed at yourself andyou’re done you’re like i’m done i’m done
[Nick McGowan]: living like this [Clarissa Burt]: yeah [Nick McGowan]: i’m done feeling this way i’m donethinking about this
[Clarissa Burt]: now [Nick McGowan]: fucking done [Clarissa Burt]: yep [Nick McGowan]: and then moving along from there [Clarissa Burt]: i’m out [Nick McGowan]: so from that point being able tokind of walk toward their path to self
[Nick McGowan]: mastery what sort of advice would yougive somebody
[Clarissa Burt]: grass is and always green are onthe other side the grass is green and
[Clarissa Burt]: where you water it [Nick McGowan]: beautiful way to put that [Clarissa Burt]: that’s simple [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: you know we’re always looking at what’sgoing on and everybody else’s back yard what’s
[Clarissa Burt]: going on like don’t make it happenin your own back or damn it
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: just self esteem one one comparing yourselfto everybody else we talked about self esteem
[Clarissa Burt]: about social media before ninety nine pointnine percent eighty nine point nine per cent
[Clarissa Burt]: of what we’re looking at a socialmedia ain’t real
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: its perception it’s the it’s the airband bead villa that was rented it’s the
[Clarissa Burt]: give and the frore that were rentedfor the day i’m not saying everybody but
[Clarissa Burt]: we know who they are [Nick McGowan]: sure [Clarissa Burt]: right it’s the perception it’s what theywant you to believe and you know again
[Clarissa Burt]: self esteem right how much self esteemdo you have to have or lack of
[Clarissa Burt]: that lack thereof to be renting yourlife for a day
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: you know to be careful [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: with that stuff yeah it’s really [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: cool i’d love to have the lambyou know actually i want the bentley and
[Clarissa Burt]: the garage you know [Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: we all would love to have lovelythings and finer things but
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: but are can you by your selfesteem on a hanger at nordstrums is that
[Clarissa Burt]: what that’s all about not saying that’snot
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: great stuff it’s all great stuff butyou know it’s just are you coming from
[Clarissa Burt]: the right place when you’re when you’redoing that when you’re just
[Nick McGowan]: yeah [Clarissa Burt]: you know get the point [Nick McGowan]: i get it totally and i cantell you at the point where you’re like
[Nick McGowan]: if you haven’t got the unting pointbut now just
[Clarissa Burt]: haven’t [Nick McGowan]: go back and listen just start overjust hit play from the top and you’re
[Nick McGowan]: totally good [Clarissa Burt]: gotten the point and i’ll just goread the book
[Nick McGowan]: yeah just start over so good iappreciate you being on i appreciate the conversation
[Clarissa Burt]: okay [Nick McGowan]: the depth you’re so wonderful to talkto here where can people find you and
[Nick McGowan]: where can they connect with you [Clarissa Burt]: well we can definitely find me anywhereexcept snap
[Nick McGowan]: okay [Clarissa Burt]: that i’m just not a snap thatkind of a so
[Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: i don’t now how it [Nick McGowan]: oh [Clarissa Burt]: works but just clear sebert straight downstraight down
[Nick McGowan]: ah [Clarissa Burt]: the pike facebook linked in instagramclu bert [Nick McGowan]: m [Clarissa Burt]: b r t [Nick McGowan]: perfect and all that will be inthe show notes again it’s been a pleasure
[Nick McGowan]: thank you so much for your time [Clarissa Burt]: so much i appreciate it